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You can read the whole chapter here at: Bible Gateway passage: Romans 11 - New American Standard Bible 1995

When it says here that God has not rejected his people, he is speaking of his people whom he foreknew. And what does that mean? It means that God foreknew who would believe in him, who would deny self, die to sin, and follow him in obedience to his commands. And those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son Jesus Christ. He chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him (see Romans 8:29; Ephesians 1:3-4).

God has kept for himself a particular number of people who have not, or who will not bow to a false god but will honor Christ as Lord. There is a remnant, chosen by God, whom he foreknew, who have submitted to or who will yet submit to the will of God, who will surrender their lives to Jesus Christ, and who will die to sin and obey God and his commandments, in the power of God, by the grace of God, and not of their own fleshly works. And when it says that “all Israel will be saved,” it is speaking of biblical Israel.

And biblical Israel is comprised of all who have surrendered their lives to Jesus Christ, who have made him master of their lives, who have been crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin, but as slaves to God and to his righteousness. All Jews who rejected Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, if they were ever part of Israel, have been cut out of Israel. And all repentant Gentile believers in Christ have been grafted into biblical Israel.

[Genesis 17:7-9; Genesis 18:19; John 8:18-19,38-47; Romans 2:28-29; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; Romans 9:4-8,25-28; Romans 11:1-36; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 3:16,26-29; Galatians 4:22-31; Ephesians 2:11-22; Ephesians 3:1-6; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-16; Hebrews 8:6-13;1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 2:22; Jude 1:5; Revelation 2:9; Revelation 3:9]

Now it says here in Romans 11 that the Jews who were once part of biblical Israel, but who rejected Jesus Christ as their Messiah, the Christ, were cut out of biblical Israel due to their unbelief. Compare this to what it teaches us in 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Hebrews 3:1-19; and Hebrews 4:1-13. All who reject Jesus Christ as Lord of their lives and who choose their sins over obedience to God, even if they profess faith in Jesus Christ, will die in their sins, and they will not have eternal life with God, because of disobedience.

And when it states here in verse 29 that “the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable,” we have to consider what those gifts and callings of God are. And we learn in the Scriptures that the faith to believe in Jesus is a gift from God, and salvation from sin and eternal life with God are gifted to us by God, and the repentance and obedience to God, required of God for salvation and for eternal life with God, are also God’s gifts to us. For not one of us can, in our own human effort, ever be acceptable to God, because of our sin.

And we are called of God to belong to Christ, to be his saints, according to his word and to his will and purpose for our lives. He has not called us for impurity, but in holiness. And to be holy is to be different from the world because we are being conformed by God to the likeness of character of Jesus Christ, as we surrender our lives to God and we submit to his will and purpose. And we are called out of lives of living in sin into living for our Lord in walks of surrender and in obedience to his commands, by his grace.

So, when this says that “the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable,” it means that, as long as we have life on this earth, God’s invitation to believe in Jesus and to die to sin and to walk with him in obedience to his commands is still out there and available to us if we will choose to receive God’s gift of grace by denying self, dying to sin, and following him in obedience to his commands. God’s mercy will be shown to those who reject their disobedience to now follow our Lord in obedience to his commands.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Seek the Lord

Based off Isaiah 55
An Original Work / July 20, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love
Musical Instrumentation by Mark Bradley


“Come to Me all you who thirst; come to waters.
Listen to Me, and eat what’s good today,
And your soul will delight in richest of fare.
Give ear to Me, and you will live.
I have made an eternal covenant with you.
Wash in the blood of the Lamb.”

Seek the Lord while He may be found; call on Him.
Let the wicked forsake his way, in truth.
Let him turn to the Lord, and he will receive mercy.
Freely, God pardons him.
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,”
declares the Lord, our God.

“My word that goes out of My mouth is truthful.
It will not return to Me unfulfilled.
My word will accomplish all that I desire,
And achieve the goal I intend.
You will go in joy and be led forth in peace.
The mountains will burst into song… before you,
And all of the trees clap their hands.”


Summary of Romans 11
An Original Work / October 26, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love
 

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You can read the whole chapter here at: Bible Gateway passage: Romans 11 - New American Standard Bible 1995
When it says here that God has not rejected his people, he is speaking of his people whom he foreknew. And what does that mean? It means that God foreknew who would believe in him, who would deny self, die to sin, and follow him in obedience to his commands. And those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son Jesus Christ. He chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him (see Romans 8:29; Ephesians 1:3-4).
God has kept for himself a particular number of people who have not, or who will not bow to a false god but will honor Christ as Lord. There is a remnant, chosen by God, whom he foreknew, who have submitted to or who will yet submit to the will of God, who will surrender their lives to Jesus Christ, and who will die to sin and obey God and his commandments, in the power of God, by the grace of God, and not of their own fleshly works. And when it says that “all Israel will be saved,” it is speaking of biblical Israel.

And biblical Israel is comprised of all who have surrendered their lives to Jesus Christ, who have made him master of their lives, who have been crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin, but as slaves to God and to his righteousness. All Jews who rejected Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, if they were ever part of Israel, have been cut out of Israel. And all repentant Gentile believers in Christ have been grafted into biblical Israel.

[Genesis 17:7-9; Genesis 18:19; John 8:18-19,38-47; Romans 2:28-29; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; Romans 9:4-8,25-28; Romans 11:1-36; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 3:16,26-29; Galatians 4:22-31; Ephesians 2:11-22; Ephesians 3:1-6; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-16; Hebrews 8:6-13;1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 2:22; Jude 1:5; Revelation 2:9; Revelation 3:9]

Now it says here in Romans 11 that the Jews who were once part of biblical Israel, but who rejected Jesus Christ as their Messiah, the Christ, were cut out of biblical Israel due to their unbelief. Compare this to what it teaches us in 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Hebrews 3:1-19; and Hebrews 4:1-13. All who reject Jesus Christ as Lord of their lives and who choose their sins over obedience to God, even if they profess faith in Jesus Christ, will die in their sins, and they will not have eternal life with God, because of disobedience.

And when it states here in verse 29 that “the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable,” we have to consider what those gifts and callings of God are. And we learn in the Scriptures that the faith to believe in Jesus is a gift from God, and salvation from sin and eternal life with God are gifted to us by God, and the repentance and obedience to God, required of God for salvation and for eternal life with God, are also God’s gifts to us. For not one of us can, in our own human effort, ever be acceptable to God, because of our sin.

And we are called of God to belong to Christ, to be his saints, according to his word and to his will and purpose for our lives. He has not called us for impurity, but in holiness. And to be holy is to be different from the world because we are being conformed by God to the likeness of character of Jesus Christ, as we surrender our lives to God and we submit to his will and purpose. And we are called out of lives of living in sin into living for our Lord in walks of surrender and in obedience to his commands, by his grace.
So the likeness of character of Jesus Christ, as we surrender our lives to God and we submit to his will and purpose. And we are called out of lives of living in sin into living for our Lord in walks of surrender and in obedience to his commands, by his graceSo, when this says that “the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable,” it means that, as long as we have life on this earth, God’s invitation to believe in Jesus and to die to sin and to walk with him in obedience to his commands is still out there and available to usEve
Paul is speaking of the call of Israel.
Even though Israel is in a state of unbelief, the call is being fulfilled in a remnant who come to faith in Jesus Christ.
if we will choose to receive God’s gift of grace by denying self, dying to sin, and following him in obedience to his commands. God’s mercy will be shown to those who reject their disobedience to now follow our Lord in obedience to his commands.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Seek the Lord

Based off Isaiah 55
An Original Work / July 20, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love
Musical Instrumentation by Mark Bradley


“Come to Me all you who thirst; come to waters.
Listen to Me, and eat what’s good today,
And your soul will delight in richest of fare.
Give ear to Me, and you will live.
I have made an eternal covenant with you.
Wash in the blood of the Lamb.”

Seek the Lord while He may be found; call on Him.
Let the wicked forsake his way, in truth.
Let him turn to the Lord, and he will receive mercy.
Freely, God pardons him.
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,”
declares the Lord, our God.

“My word that goes out of My mouth is truthful.
It will not return to Me unfulfilled.
My word will accomplish all that I desire,
And achieve the goal I intend.
You will go in joy and be led forth in peace.
The mountains will burst into song… before you,
And all of the trees clap their hands.”


Summary of Romans 11
An Original Work / October 26, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love
 
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Paul is speaking of the call of Israel.
Even though Israel is in a state of unbelief, the call is being fulfilled in a remnant who come to faith in Jesus Christ.
I am not sure your point here. Are you agreeing with what I wrote?
 
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I am saying that particular fact (Ro 11:29) is referring to Israel there.
"For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.”
27 “This is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
28 From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; 29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy." (Romans 11:25-31)

Israel was initially Jews only. Since Jesus' death and resurrection, when the Gentile believers in Christ were grafted into Israel, and all Jews who rejected Christ were cut out of Israel, Israel was now Jew and Gentile by faith in Jesus Christ. And yes, Paul was speaking to the Gentile Christians about the Jews in reference to those who had hardened their hearts against God and thus were cut out of Israel. But it was a partial hardening until the fulness of the Gentile Christians had come into Israel, and so all Israel (Jew and Gentile by faith in Jesus Christ) will be saved. For God had/has a chosen remnant who he has chosen for salvation from sin, many of whom have believed in Jesus and are thus now part of Israel, and more yet to come. But the gifts and the calling of God are for all people who God has predestined to be followers of Jesus Christ who die with him to sin and who walk with him in obedience to his commands. For he is speaking here of the fulness of the Gentiles coming to faith in Jesus Christ as well as he is speaking of a remnant of Jews who will believe in Jesus Christ, all of whom will come into Israel by faith in Jesus Christ. For just as he showed mercy to the Gentiles he will show mercy to the Jews who once rejected him but who by faith in Jesus will receive him as Lord and Savior of their lives. Even though many of the Jews were cut out of Israel due to unbelief, many of them have since then and will yet come to faith in Jesus Christ and will be grafted into Israel just like the Gentiles were grafted into Israel and thus "all Israel," the Israel of God, i.e. all who are of genuine faith in Jesus Christ via dying to sin and walks of obedience to God "will be saved."
 
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