White House begins demolishing East Wing facade to build Trump’s ballroom

[iluvatar5150]

It's Donads.

This is one of the better typos I've seen recently.

 

[JosephZ]

I did some Google Earth satellite viewing of the White House today. And what I noticed is the huge Treasury building right next to the East Wing building. And the even larger multi story Eisenhower building right next to the West Wing. Both of which signicantly dwarf the White House.

So being right next to the really big Treasury building, the ballroom isn't all that big in comparison to it. And the East Wing was an annex connected via a long corridor to the actual White House. An additional basically separate structure. That was considerably newer than the actual White House.

The White House is listed as a historic landmark. Below are the guidelines that Trump should be following:


Size, scale, and massing of the new addition

The size, scale, and massing of a new addition all pertain to the addition’s overall volume and three-dimensional qualities. Taken together, size, scale and massing are critical elements for ensuring that a new addition is subordinate to the historic building, thus preserving the historic character of a historic property. Typically, a compatible addition should be smaller than the historic building in both height and footprint. However, there are other considerations that may allow moving away from this basic concept.

Depending on its location, it may be possible that an addition slightly taller or slightly larger than the historic building may be acceptable, as long as it is visually subordinate to the historic building. In some cases, separating the addition from the historic building with a small hyphen can reduce the impact of an addition that is larger than the historic building. Another way of minimizing the impact of a new addition to an historic building is to offset it or step it back from the mass of the historic building.


"New additions, exterior alterations, or related new construction shall not destroy historic materials that characterize the property. The new work shall be differentiated from the old and shall be compatible with the massing, size, scale, and architectural features to protect the historic integrity of the property and its environment."

The Secretary of the Interior's Standards for the Treatment of Historic Properties: Rehabilitation as a Treatment and Standards for Rehabilitation (U.S. National Park Service)

www.nps.gov

 

[wing2000]

This is one of the better typos I've seen recently.

yikes...going coffee after amending it.

 

[wing2000]

"New additions, exterior alterations, or related new construction shall not destroy historic materials that characterize the property. The new work shall be differentiated from the old and shall be compatible with the massing, size, scale, and architectural features to protect the historic integrity of the property and its environment."

Did they remove the Melania floor lamp before the wrecking ball?

But seriously, I wonder what steps, if any, they took to remove and preserve historic artifacts in the East Wing?

 

[JosephZ]

Did they remove the Melania floor lamp before the wrecking ball?

But seriously, I wonder what steps, if any, they took to remove and preserve historic artifacts in the East Wing?

It wouldn't surprise me at all if some of them were moved to Mar-a-Lago.

 

[DaisyDay]

There is also what is under the East Wing, namely the White House bunker and Presidential Emergency Operations Center. Is this being renovate, demolished or preserved? Will the president have access should there be an actual emergency?

Presidential Emergency Operations Center - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Chesterton]

Because it gives you the ability to officiate weddings for your friends/family members if they're not religious, but still want to have a wedding that's fancier than standing in city hall with a justice of the peace.

They could fly to Vegas and get married by Elvis. Elvis is fancier than a faux minister.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

They could fly to Vegas and get married by Elvis. Elvis is fancier than a faux minister.

That may be a thing that can be done in Nevada... (who knows, the guys in Elvis outfits may be getting their authority to officiate from a faux minister's license as well)

But here in Ohio in order to officiate:

So, if someone wants to have a regular'ish wedding here and would like it to be officiated by someone they know (but are perhaps non-religious), getting a minister's certificate is a lot easier than me going to law school or getting elected Mayor lol.

 

[Chesterton]

That may be a thing that can be done in Nevada... (who knows, the guys in Elvis outfits may be getting their authority to officiate from a faux minister's license as well)

But here in Ohio in order to officiate:
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So, if someone wants to have a regular'ish wedding here and would like it to be officiated by someone they know (but are perhaps non-religious), getting a minister's certificate is a lot easier than me going to law school or getting elected Mayor lol.

That last one, superintendent of the state school for the deaf. Sounds a little fishy, a bit too specific. Sounds like something got done ad hoc after-the-fact.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Way to go to completely avoid the point being made!

No, I didn't miss the point...

You said:
Therein lies the problem. If a team has a parade to celebrate wining the Superbowl do you think it's in poor taste because what they are doing is actually celebrating the other team's loss?


I mentioned that when they have their Superbowl parades, they occur in the city of the winning team.

If last year, after their nailbiter victory over the San Fran 49-ers, the Chiefs opted to go have a victory parade in San Francisco, and the tax dollars of San Franciscans had to chip in to facilitate that parade, that would be viewed as "rubbing it in".

In the case of the White House, in terms of political symbolism and what it represents, that's not supposed to be a home team vs. away team type of thing.

I'd have zero qualms if we were talking about the DNC Headquarters doing a rainbow lighting display on their building to celebrate their Supreme Court victory.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

That last one, superintendent of the state school for the deaf. Sounds a little fishy, a bit too specific. Sounds like something got done ad hoc after-the-fact.

If I had to venture a guess, it would likely have something to do with the fact that two deaf people getting married would probably like to have that done by an officiant who is fluent in sign language, and when the laws were crafted, there probably wasn't a huge overlap between Mayors/Judges/Ministers and people who were fluent in ASL.

 

[Landon Caeli]

knocking down the East Wing.

It's not being permanently knocked down. Your rhetoric can use some improvement

 

[JosephZ]

It's not being permanently knocked down. Your rhetoric can use some improvement

The east wing has been demolished; it's gone, and it's not coming back.

 

[Servus]

The White House is listed as a historic landmark. Below are the guidelines that Trump should be following:


Size, scale, and massing of the new addition

The size, scale, and massing of a new addition all pertain to the addition’s overall volume and three-dimensional qualities. Taken together, size, scale and massing are critical elements for ensuring that a new addition is subordinate to the historic building, thus preserving the historic character of a historic property. Typically, a compatible addition should be smaller than the historic building in both height and footprint. However, there are other considerations that may allow moving away from this basic concept.

Depending on its location, it may be possible that an addition slightly taller or slightly larger than the historic building may be acceptable, as long as it is visually subordinate to the historic building. In some cases, separating the addition from the historic building with a small hyphen can reduce the impact of an addition that is larger than the historic building. Another way of minimizing the impact of a new addition to an historic building is to offset it or step it back from the mass of the historic building.


"New additions, exterior alterations, or related new construction shall not destroy historic materials that characterize the property. The new work shall be differentiated from the old and shall be compatible with the massing, size, scale, and architectural features to protect the historic integrity of the property and its environment."

The Secretary of the Interior's Standards for the Treatment of Historic Properties: Rehabilitation as a Treatment and Standards for Rehabilitation (U.S. National Park Service)

www.nps.gov

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Does Doug Burgum have any complaints?

 

[JosephZ]

Does Doug Burgum have any complaints?

Of course not, he's one of Trump's lackeys.

 

[Landon Caeli]

The east wing has been demolished; it's gone, and it's not coming back.

Of course it's coming back. The "wing" of a building is a part of a building – or any feature of a building – that is subordinate to the main, central structure. In the case of the White House, the East Wing will reappear as a ballroom, and will still be the east wing.

Wing (building) - Wikipedia Wing (building) - Wikipedia

 

[Servus]

 

[Servus]

Just wait until the oval office is torn down and replaced with a throne room.

 

[comana]

So the answer is yes, the president can demolish whatever he wants, he only needs approval to build.

 

[rebornfree]

Gosh, that shed 60 years off me. I remember it coming out!