Trump sends troops to the 'warzone' of Portland...

[eclipsenow]

I would hope, if the day should come when Australia, (teh gods forbid), elect a lying mountebank,

Not quite sure of the cultural references there?

I know Aussie politicians are rorting the system somewhat, but I hope it never becomes the billionaire's club that the oligarchy have steered America into.

 

[rjs330]

I haven't noticed any riot's at the protests in Oregon . And if ICE was doing their job right way, like they did during other presidents. Then ICE wouldn't be having a problems. They kicked people, that are legal out of their apartments in the middle of the zip tie them for hours. And then let them go free. Because they weren't illegal. They have detaining legal people. They beat one American man at his job. He plans on suing.

I've seen it. You know they had to board up the windows of the facility there do to attacks against it. Yes they have been violent toward agents there. I don't think there have been deadly attacks, thank goodness.

In order to get the 9th circuit to overrule rhe previous court and allow the guard rhe administration had to prove the case of violence etc. And they did. So, what you've seen isn't accurate.

 

[RDKirk]

In order to get the 9th circuit to overrule rhe previous court and allow the guard rhe administration had to prove the case of violence etc. And they did. So, what you've seen isn't accurate.

Or have the "right" judges on the bench.

 

[rjs330]

Or have the "right" judges on the bench.

The 9th circuit has always been a liberal court.

So if they rule against Trump then they are the right judges for the left. And if they rule in favor of Trump they are the right judges for the right.

I think thats what it comes down to now for both sides.

 

[Pommer]

Not quite sure of the cultural references there?

I don’t much care for President Trump various policies, but he’s still my President and will defend him as the incumbent president to do the job he does where I can, from good, well-meaning foreigners.

 

[DaisyDay]

I've seen it. You know they had to board up the windows of the facility there do to attacks against it. Yes they have been violent toward agents there. I don't think there have been deadly attacks, thank goodness.

Can you give a source for this, that the windows are boarded up?

In order to get the 9th circuit to overrule rhe previous court and allow the guard rhe administration had to prove the case of violence etc. And they did. So, what you've seen isn't accurate.

I don't know why you think that mere violence justified the federalization of the National Guard. The violence would have to be so severe that the government including federal agents were unable to execute the laws. The TRO was lifted, according to the ruling because 14 days expired making the order no longer temporary. Violence was asserted but violence alone does not demonstrate that the government there was unable to function or that it is insurrection.

The 9th circuit has always been a liberal court.

So if they rule against Trump then they are the right judges for the left. And if they rule in favor of Trump they are the right judges for the right.

I think thats what it comes down to now for both sides.

This wasn't the full en banc 9th circuit but merely a three judge panel, two Trump's and a Clinton's.

NYT: Appeals Court Lifts Block on Trump’s Oregon Troop Deployment

The appellate ruling lifted a temporary block on the deployment of Oregon soldiers by Judge Karin J. Immergut of the Federal District Court for the District of Oregon. It was not immediately clear whether the order also allowed President Trump to use National Guard soldiers from other states, as he has suggested he might do.​

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...A memo in September from Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said Guard troops could be stationed anywhere that protests “are occurring or likely to occur,” and could accompany federal agents who are enacting Mr. Trump’s immigration agenda in the field.​

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...Much of the litigation prompted by his deployment efforts in Portland and in the Chicago area has turned on whether the Trump administration’s accounts of violence at anti-ICE protests are accurate. The litigation has also debated whether there is a basis for invoking a federal law that allows the president to deploy the Guard if “there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion,” or if the president is unable to execute U.S. law.​

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Monday’s Ninth Circuit ruling is unlikely to be the final word in the dispute over the Portland deployment. In addition to Oregon and Portland’s request for a broader hearing by Ninth Circuit judges, Judge Immergut has scheduled trial on the full lawsuit by the state and city for Oct. 29.​

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Oregon’s attorney general, Dan Rayfield, said in a statement that Monday’s ruling “would give the president unilateral power to put Oregon soldiers on our streets with almost no justification.”​

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“We are on a dangerous path in America,” he said.​

The fat lady has yet to sing.

 

[rjs330]

Oregon’s attorney general, Dan Rayfield, said in a statement that Monday’s ruling “would give the president unilateral power to put Oregon soldiers on our streets with almost no justification.”

He's lying about that. The administration had to provide justification for doing so and the guard is there for very specific reasons. This is just more hystrionics and dishonesty from leftist politicians.

 

[rjs330]

Can you give a source for this, that the windows are boarded up?

I dont know why you want me to do the work for you.

don't know why you think that mere violence justified the federalization of the National Guard. The violence would have to be so severe that the government including federal agents were unable to execute the laws. The TRO was lifted, according to the ruling because 14 days expired making the order no longer temporary. Violence was asserted but violence alone does not demonstrate that the government there was unable to function or that it is insurrection.

Because someone needs to protect the agents and facilities. You are establishing requirements that are not contained within the laws governing the use of the NG. It us not a requirement that it be a full fledged insurrection. A rebellion is all that is needed. And people trying to prevent the lawful execution of immigration law by the use of violence is a rebellion.

There have been circumstances where ICE was unable to execute immigration law due to people's interference.

 

[RDKirk]

He's lying about that. The administration had to provide justification for doing so and the guard is there for very specific reasons. This is just more hystrionics and dishonesty from leftist politicians.

No, he doesn't. Nobody can stop him. He needs nobody's permission. So he needs no justification.

 

[rjs330]

No, he doesn't. Nobody can stop him. He needs nobody's permission. So he needs no justification.

That's incorrect. But lets say for arguments sake that you are right. He can do whatever he wants.

The facts are he did not do whatever he wanted AND he DID provide justifications.

 

[RDKirk]

That's incorrect. But lets say for arguments sake that you are right. He can do whatever he wants.

The facts are he did not do whatever he wanted AND he DID provide justifications.

He _is_ doing what he wants.

Justification would be going to Congress and requesting at least a resolution. Social media tweets are not justification.

 

[rjs330]

He _is_ doing what he wants.

Justification would be going to Congress and requesting at least a resolution. Social media tweets are not justification.

I thought you said he CAN do whatever he wants. Thats incorrect. But let say he can.

He didn't becauae he didnt send troops to Portland because a judfe said he couldn't.

Do you think that he justified the use to the 9th circuit in a tweet? Or did he actually have to do it in legal briefs and statements to the court. You think rhe court accepted his tweets as justification and ruled based upon that?