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Hamas now executing Palestinians who tried to help peace.

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One more time. No one is defending Hamas's actions, and btw come defending atrocities, that cuts both ways doesn't it?
I understand no one is defending Hamas. But where is the condemnation is regarding the execution of their own citizen.

Why has the international community stayed largely silent about Hamas executing its own citizens? Why aren’t there public demonstrations in places like London and New York urging Hamas to leave Gaza, or student protests against Hamas? The world has condemned the IDF, so why is it so quiet regarding Hamas’s actions?
 
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Not many people in the west care about this. Trump said it's fine. The people protesting for palestine haven't found cause to protest this. It's not worth as much time on the news as a single israeli hostage. I doubt one can even find the names of the killed, and I think that is at least partially because nobody cares to look.

It's just business as usual. Meh.
They show concern only when IDF is involved, calling it genocide; otherwise, they ignore what’s happening, showing double standards and insincere empathy.
 
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Guess who is going to have the answer for all this? The anti-christ.

  • Any Muslim will never agree to peace unless there is a Muslim in some kind of power role.
  • Arabs are being killed and hurt by Muslims because they do not follow the Quran.
  • Certain sections of Muslims are being hurt and killed by other Muslims because of their interpretation of the Quran (see Syria, Pakistan, Iraq, etc).
The main section of Muslims that want to dominate, take over and rule with Sharia Law in Politics, Military and ideology (Hamas, Isis, Al-Queda, Taliban) are from the Sunni section. Primarily in Afghanistan, Egypt, Pakistan, and.... PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES. 98% of Palestinian territories are Sunni.

This is where the problem is because it's not just peaceful Muslims sitting on the boarder, it's their ideology that comes into play and why Israel will NEVER live in peace with any of the people currently occupying Palestinian Territories, because they're Islamist's, not just a standard Muslim.
 
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This sure has been a waste of my time, but I read you all loud and clear. SMH.

Each innocent Israeli life is worth ending dozens more Palestinian lives per capita. The ceasefire, predictably, was violated by Israel yesterday. Don't they have military intelligence? Ain't nothing left to bomb...

Every life is equally precious, and there is no excuse for bloodthirsty self-righteous rampages.

I will look forward to ignoring your indefensible defenses of Israel's future incursions.
 
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Every life is equally precious, and there is no excuse for bloodthirsty self-righteous rampages.
Unless they’re accused of collaborating with Israel?
 
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We understand very well where they come from. They live in an alternative reality and think rest of us should feed their imaginary world which no longer exist. In this situation, engaging in a rational discussion with them is impossible.
You obviously see the situation very differently than I do. What I see is a nationalist insurgency which has been simmering for a long time--getting on for a hundred years. Recently, under radical leadership, it has turned very ungly and many atrocities committed. As a consequence, the insurgency is being brutally suppressed. What do you see?
 
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The ceasefire, predictably, was violated by Israel yesterday.
Who violated it first? Because 2 IDF soldiers are dead in Rafah because (according to Israel) Hamas blew them up which prompted an Israel response. You seem to only side with the muslim account on what happened by pointing the finger directly at Israel without even clarifying that both sides are arguing over what killed the 2 IDF soldiers. Israel claims it was Hamas and Hamas says they had nothing to do with the explosion. But somehow, Israel and Israel alone is to blame.
 
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Your empathy for innocent people, as previously observed on this forum, appears inconsistent. You seem to suggest that the loss of innocent lives is subjective; when such losses occur during two years war, they are labelled genocide, but when Hamas kill their own citizen, you offer justification for their actions.
Disagreeing with you about how Hamas should be dealt with is not "justification."
 
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Who violated it first? Because 2 IDF soldiers are dead in Rafah because (according to Israel) Hamas blew them up which prompted an Israel response. You seem to only side with the muslim account on what happened by pointing the finger directly at Israel without even clarifying that both sides are arguing over what killed the 2 IDF soldiers. Israel claims it was Hamas and Hamas says they had nothing to do with the explosion. But somehow, Israel and Israel alone is to blame.
Of course Hamas is part of it, they bear their share of responsiblilty. That has been repeatedly acknowledged.
 
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I understand no one is defending Hamas. But where is the condemnation is regarding the execution of their own citizen.
The reason many European nations refuse to extradite US citizens back to the US is because we, the US, execute our own citizens. How is this such an outrage when we do it ourselves?
 
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The reason many European nations refuse to extradite US citizens back to the US is because we, the US, execute our own citizens. How is this such an outrage when we do it ourselves?
Only those charged with first degree murder could, if their crime meets certain conditions, face the death penalty. And even then we don’t take them out in public and shoot them in the head in front of other people. Your argument fails. So are you going to condemn Hamas for killing their own people?
 
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  • Any Muslim will never agree to peace unless there is a Muslim in some kind of power role.
  • Arabs are being killed and hurt by Muslims because they do not follow the Quran.
  • Certain sections of Muslims are being hurt and killed by other Muslims because of their interpretation of the Quran (see Syria, Pakistan, Iraq, etc).
The main section of Muslims that want to dominate, take over and rule with Sharia Law in Politics, Military and ideology (Hamas, Isis, Al-Queda, Taliban) are from the Sunni section. Primarily in Afghanistan, Egypt, Pakistan, and.... PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES. 98% of Palestinian territories are Sunni.
It's important to know that most of the Sunni Muslim extremists you speak of follow Salafism, with groups like ISIS following an even smaller subset of Salafism known as Wahhabism. The Taliban follow an even more obscure teaching in Islam called Deobandism and represent only a minuscule fraction of Sunni Muslims. These interpretations of Islam are not viewed as representative of the religion and are rejected by over 95% of Muslims worldwide.
 
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Only those charged with first degree murder could, if their crime meets certain conditions, face the death penalty. And even then we don’t take them out in public and shoot them in the head in front of other people.
I don't see that private executions are better than public ones.
Your argument fails.
Just declaring that it fails demonstrates nothing. I'm not convinced you even understand what my argument is.
So are you going to condemn Hamas for killing their own people?
I condemn each and every nation that executes its own people. And also those that execute the people of other nations - is that better somehow?
 
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The reason many European nations refuse to extradite US citizens back to the US is because we, the US, execute our own citizens. How is this such an outrage when we do it ourselves?
There is a difference between executions after a judicial process with several decades worth of appeals and just accusing people and shooting them like dogs in the street.

I don't agree with either, but I recognise that they are not equivalent.
 
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I don't see that private executions are better than public ones.
Really? I guess all executions should happen in front of people including kids. I agree with the death penalty and you have your right to your opinion but proposing public executions again is reverting back quite a few years. Animals that kill people have no business being part of society.
Just declaring that it fails demonstrates nothing. I'm not convinced you even understand what my argument is.
I told you why but you dismissed it without explanation. It is a fail because you are comparing a legal, for cause criminal execution with a barbaric, illegal execution in a public place.
I condemn each and every nation that executes its own people. And also those that execute the people of other nations - is that better somehow?
No. I want to see you condemn Hamas for their barbaric actions.
 
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It's a bit more complicated than that. While on paper, there exists Israel, and next to those are the Gaza strip and the west bank, which are Palestine, in reality a lot of the west bank is settled by israeli settlers, a process that has been going on for decades and is actively supported by the Israeli government. The west bank looks more like a swiss cheese than a proper country.

It would be like US farmers starting to settle and farm on mexican land beyond the southern US border. In any real two state solution, those farms would have to be removed so that proper borders could be established.
1) The increase of settlements is promoted by the Israeli government.
2) The settler violence is supported by the Israeli government.
3) Annexation of ALL of the West Bank is the policy of the Israeli government.
4) The Palestinian government of the West Bank is corrupt and not supported by the people. Israeli policy has made sure of that. (As an aside, please recall that the Israeli government SUPPORTED the coming to power of Hamas in Gaza.)

THAT BEING SAID

A) Saudi Arabia, Egypt, the UAE, and Turkey are interested in providing security to make a Palestine government in the West Bank work. They will also provide whatever cash is necessary.
B) The long-term solution is for the foreign settlers to leave.
C) The short-term solution is for all Israeli troops and forces to leave and for the settlers to stay under Palestinian rule or leave to be re-settled elsewhere on Israeli soil.

THE KEYS TO SUCCESS
Trump, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Turkey need to want peace and be willing to pressure Israel and the Palestinians.

Make no mistake. This will mean new governments in Gaza, the West Bank and in Israel

MY BELIEF/HOPE is that
Trump and the Arabs will be willing to make peace happen. And, yes, there will be more dead Palestinians.
 
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"Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine"
That is not what their charter stated.
 
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I understand no one is defending Hamas. But where is the condemnation is regarding the execution of their own citizen.

Why has the international community stayed largely silent about Hamas executing its own citizens? Why aren’t there public demonstrations in places like London and New York urging Hamas to leave Gaza, or student protests against Hamas? The world has condemned the IDF, so why is it so quiet regarding Hamas’s actions?
I can't speak for international communities. So what I can is just offer a cursory observation. Those international communities, those public demonstration, those student protests are yes in protection of the people of Palestine themselves. So where does one use their ammo in protest come the protection of Palestinian people? The atrocities from the government of Israel? Or this incident with Hamas?
 
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Know who you are supporting:

The original 1988 Hamas Charter includes deeply antisemitic language, referencing conspiracy theories and calling for the destruction of Israel. It states that “Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it” and refers to Jews in hostile, conspiratorial terms.
The charter also promotes jihad as a religious duty and glorifies martyrdom, stating: “Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes”.

  • Fathi Hammad, a senior Hamas official, said in a 2019 speech:

  • Oh, you Jews, the curse of Allah upon you, you who have angered Allah. The day of your slaughter and annihilation is near.”
From the Hamas 1988 charter:

“The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, killing the Jews.”
 
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