Can man, without the light of faith, by his reason alone, know that God exists?

[RDKirk]

We basically agree here. No one can come to God unless He draws Him and man in its natural state can not come to God but if God draws him (seed) then He can become a believer. This IS the same argument that I made at the beginning of this thread. If natural man can reason God’s existence then God drew him to Him and he then would become a believer.

"Can" become a believer and "would" become a believer are two very different things.

When drawn, it becomes possible for a man to become a believer. Without God making the initial move, it's impossible for a man to become a believer.

But "would" implies that God's call is irresistible, which is not the case...which is what I said at the beginning of this tangent.

 

[Hentenza]

"Can" become a believer and "would" become a believer are two very different things.

All based on their decision to purse it. Enter the seed that fell by the road.

When drawn, it becomes possible for a man to become a believer. Without God making the initial move, it's impossible for a man to become a believer.

Yep. Not before.

But "would" implies that God's call is irresistible, which is not the case...which is what I said at the beginning of this tangent.

I can agree with that. However, there are groups of believers that were called and their call was irresistible as well as some unbelievers. Some are predestined. Without going to deep here, examples of believers would be the apostles and of unbelievers an example would be pharaoh. So it is not cut and dry.

 

[Aaron112]

sum up: Follow Jesus.