Hamas now executing Palestinians who tried to help peace.

[Fantine]

MSN

How do you justify starving, bombing, and leveling the homes of 3.2 million Palestinians in Gaza in order to eliminate up to 30,000 members of Hamas?

Either Israel has the most inefficient gang that couldn't shoot straight in the history of mankind...or they are hyper-focused on destroying the Palestinian population in a vicious, callous disregard for human life.

So which are they?

The International Court of the Hague believes the latter, and so do I. They are technologically advanced and well-educated with mandatory military service for young men and women. They are not inefficient--they have denied the humanity of their "enemies," 50% of whom are children.

 

[Fantine]

You really believe the reasoning of Hamas for those executions? As far as I see it, those people were just as likely to have been critical or just in their way.

I have said several times that Hamas was wrong---but when Israel destroyed 100% of their infrastructure and starved 100% of their Palestinian population, turning a beautiful strip of land on the Mediterranean into a land of apocalyptic horror, the underpinnings of their society were torn asunder.

Have you ever watched sci fi movies? (I hate apocalyptic movies, but my family enjoys them.) Israel launched them into the apocalypse. Israel is responsible for the desperate survivalism of the Palestinians today. And if those who were executed were indeed complicit in the carnage and genocide there, their fate was deserved.

 

[Nithavela]

I have said several times that Hamas was wrong---but when Israel destroyed 100% of their infrastructure and starved 100% of their Palestinian population, turning a beautiful strip of land on the Mediterranean into a land of apocalyptic horror, the underpinnings of their society were torn asunder.

Have you ever watched sci fi movies? (I hate apocalyptic movies, but my family enjoys them.) Israel launched them into the apocalypse. Israel is responsible for the desperate survivalism of the Palestinians today. And if those who were executed were indeed complicit in the carnage and genocide there, their fate was deserved.

Wow. I guess that's how people on the left sound to people on the right all the time.

 

[Hentenza]

MSN

How do you justify starving, bombing, and leveling the homes of 3.2 million Palestinians in Gaza in order to eliminate up to 30,000 members of Hamas?

Either Israel has the most inefficient gang that couldn't shoot straight in the history of mankind...or they are hyper-focused on destroying the Palestinian population in a vicious, callous disregard for human life.

So which are they?

The International Court of the Hague believes the latter, and so do I. They are technologically advanced and well-educated with mandatory military service for young men and women. They are not inefficient--they have denied the humanity of their "enemies," 50% of whom are children.

You need a history lesson. Just about every war has been started by an aggressor. In just about every war the war inevitably lands at the aggressor’s land. In just about every war, a bunch of people from the aggressor’s land die in vain. In just about every war the aggressor is the root cause of the conflict and the root cause for the deaths of the innocent.

Hamas was/ is the aggressor and the root cause of not just the war but also the deaths that resulted from said war. Hamas could have ended this war any time by returning the hostages and stoping hostilities but they chose not to at the expense of the Gazans. Hamas took hostages to Gaza and hid them in tunnels AMONG the people and would not give them back. Israel attacked Hamas in Gaza because that IS where they fled. They took the war to Gaza. Israel followed them.

The bad people here is Hamas NOT Israel but you can’t see past your hatred of Israel to see the logical conclusion.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Nobody is trying to make excuses for Hamas, just trying to come to consider their motivation in order to deal with them more effectively.

Motivation? It is found in their charter - they want the elimination of the Jews

I don't know about Hamas, no one is defending them.

Making excuses for atrocities is synonymous with defending them

 

[Desk trauma]

I have said several times that Hamas was wrong---but when Israel destroyed 100% of their infrastructure and starved 100% of their Palestinian population, turning a beautiful strip of land on the Mediterranean into a land of apocalyptic horror, the underpinnings of their society were torn asunder.

Have you ever watched sci fi movies? (I hate apocalyptic movies, but my family enjoys them.) Israel launched them into the apocalypse. Israel is responsible for the desperate survivalism of the Palestinians today. And if those who were executed were indeed complicit in the carnage and genocide there, their fate was deserved.

Hamas was into summery executions from the moment they took power in Gaza. This is them eliminating rivals not some high minded nonsense.

 

[Fantine]

You do realize that most of the world has recognized the Palestinian state, that the International Court has indicted Netantahu a ls a war criminal, and while you self righteously claim Hamas has vowed to annihilate Israel that Israel actually has annihilated Gaza.
America's 4th largest lobby--AIPAC--has spent lots of money to promote the opinions you're holding.
The Israeli people deserve better, more godly leadership than they have.

 

[Hentenza]

You do realize that most of the world has recognized the Palestinian state, that the International Court has indicted Netantahu a ls a war criminal, and while you self righteously claim Hamas has vowed to annihilate Israel that Israel actually has annihilated Gaza.
America's 4th largest lobby--AIPAC--has spent lots of money to promote the opinions you're holding.
The Israeli people deserve better, more godly leadership than they have.

Yes the people deserve better. Get rid of Hamas.

 

[JosephZ]

Yes the people deserve better. Get rid of Hamas.

Get rid of Hamas and Netanyahu.

 

[Hentenza]

Get rid of Hamas and Netanyahu.

I can agree with that but Hamas first.

 

[mark46]

“Later on Monday, a video circulating on social media appeared to show several masked gunmen, some of them wearing green headbands resembling ones worn by Hamas, shooting with machine guns at least seven men after forcing them to kneel in the street. Posts identified the video as filmed in Gaza on Monday. Civilian spectators cheered "Allah Akbar," or God is Great, and called those killed "collaborators."

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-deploys-fighters-hostages-released-show-strength-2025-10-13/

I would note that this is getting very little coverage from the US media.

 

[Nithavela]

Get rid of Hamas and Netanyahu.

Now that the war is over, perhaps at least Netanyahu can be removed via democratic processes. That's up to the people of Israel and their judicial system.

Removing Hamas is far harder.

 

[mark46]

Now that the war is over, perhaps at least Netanyahu can be removed via democratic processes. That's up to the people of Israel and their judicial system.

Removing Hamas is far harder.

not if Israel stays out of the way and the Arabs provide the security force to disarm Hamas.

 

[Nithavela]

not if Israel stays out of the way and the Arabs provide the security force to disarm Hamas.

I'd be amazed if that materialises. I can't see Israel tolerating a regular army presence of another arab country in Gaza any better than they tolerate hamas. Besides that, if the IDF couldn't take out hamas, what makes you think the arabic militaries can do it? Think Hamas will just roll over because now it's arabs coming at them? They have no problem killing muslims. For evidence, check the OP.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Considering the carnage Israel committed, no one with a shred of ethics should have collaborated with them against their neighbors.
But TBT the "peace?" lasted about two days---about as sturdy as the overpriced branded watches and sneakers Trump supplements his income with.

The appropriate response to the news is to condemn Hamas, rather than seek excuses for their actions.

However, this pattern is evident globally. When Hamas oppresses its own citizens, there is often a lack of condemnation and little sympathy expressed for the victims.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

If their own people collaborated with an enemy that murdered 75,000 of them and starved and displaced 3 million,l those people were treasonous.
Ideally there would be a trial, but:
Jails were razed.
Courthouses were razed.
The landscape would make a good set for apocalyptic movies.
How could the victims have done that?

So, is Hamas now considered a representative of Palestinians in Gaza rather than a terrorist group?

You seem to find excuse for brutally oppression by `Hamas. They are killing their own citizens, and your excuse is a lack of prison space.

 

[Desk trauma]

So, is Hamas now considered a representative of Palestinians in Gaza rather than a terrorist group?

Unfortunately they’re both. Legitimacy is a separate issue from who holds power and as I said I don’t see them loosing the power struggle for Gaza after being entrenched for 20 years with opposition being dealt with in the manner we see in the OP during that time.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Then Hamas shouid not have started the fight then, don’t you think?

These responses or explanations illustrate a contradiction in the arguments made by pro-Palestinian supporters.

The inherent value of every innocent life is undeniable, yet conflict often leads to unfortunate collateral damage. Over the past two years, incidents involving civilian casualties have prompted public demonstrations from liberal groups, who voiced concern for those affected.

In contrast, there appears to be less outcry when Hamas imposes punishments on individuals without trial, sometimes citing limited prison capacity as justification. This is indicative of inconsistency in responses to human rights issues. Over the past two decades, similar patterns have been noted regarding international reactions to reported oppression under Hamas governance in Gaza, with relatively little global attention drawn to these events.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

The writing is on the wall for what the plan is, and Hamas doesn't have a seat at the table in it, so they're trying desperately to see if they can seize upon a temporary power vacuum as a last-ditch effort.

In reading up on the plan proposals...

Egypt and Jordan are slated to be a temporary "authority" during a transitional phase (with advisors from US and other Arab states - and perhaps some peacekeeping forces from Indonesia and Pakistan), then ultimately, transfer the leadership back over to the Palestinian Authority along with a technocratic Palestinian committee.

 

[BCP1928]

Motivation? It is found in their charter - they want the elimination of the Jews

"Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine"

Making excuses for atrocities is synonymous with defending them

And trying to understand what their motives really might be is inconvenient for right-wing Christians in this country who want to make it into a religious war.