Elon Musk says he canceled his Netflix account — and urges his followers to as well

[Nithavela]

You should have included John Dillermand.

I prefer to speak from my own experience on the subject matter.

 

[PloverWing]

So, I've just finished watching season 1 of Dead End: Paranormal Park. Some of the best book recommendations are banned books lists, and some of the best TV/movie/video recommendations are boycott lists, so I took all this kerfluffle over Dead End as a recommendation.

I've enjoyed watching the series, and I'll stick around for season 2. The series reminds me of Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel, perhaps because demons are so prominent in all three of these series (more on that later), though with the significant difference that Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel contain sex and "adult" language, while Dead End stays safely within the bounds of a G rating.

Dead End contains a major character who is a trans boy, and several characters who are gay, some in romantic relationships. That doesn't bother me, but if it bothers you, don't watch the show. The show also includes several characters in heterosexual marriages.

Ethnically, the characters have a variety of skin tones, with ancestry from Europe and South Asia and East Asia and Africa. One wears a headscarf. This means that the characters look roughly like the variety of faces I see when I look out at the faces in my university classroom. Again, if this bothers you, there are other shows you can watch instead.

I don't know how Netflix assigns its ratings. Y7 may be technically correct, because the language is clean, violence is cartoon violence, and there's no sex. (So far, some people have held hands, and there's been one brief kiss. I think movies can do that and stay within a G rating.) But I would classify the show as teen or young adult, for these reasons:

1) The main characters are teens and young adults, going through things like first jobs and first romances.

2) The trans character has so much conflict with his family that he runs away from home in the first episode. If my children had watched that storyline when they were young, I would want to watch it with them and talk about it. There's a lot of emotional stuff in a story like that: what is life like for trans kids who clash with their parents, and what might parents and kids do differently so that the kid doesn't feel like he has to run away. I wouldn't want young kids to be left to figure all that out on their own.

3) There are demons in this story. Really, people are bothered that there's a trans guy in the show, and nobody's bothered by DEMONS? I enjoy a well-written fantasy story, and I enjoyed the adult stories I mentioned earlier, Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel. But since demons are part of Christian mythology, I can't just easily dismiss them as pretend, the way I would dismiss elves and orcs. A young child watching this show might well ask "Mommy, could a demon possess our dog?", because that's a thing that happens in episode 1. I don't have an answer to that question that's simple enough for a 7-year-old.

Summary: Pretty good show, deals with stuff that teens and young adults go through. Some moral lessons, but mostly not too preachy. Demons, theme park rides, a couple of mysteries to solve, and character development.

And I see why Elon Musk exploded. He's a lot like Grammy-Gram, the grandmother character who is the reason Barney ran away from home. That's gotta be uncomfortable.

 

[7thKeeper]

So, I've just finished watching season 1 of Dead End: Paranormal Park. Some of the best book recommendations are banned books lists, and some of the best TV/movie/video recommendations are boycott lists, so I took all this kerfluffle over Dead End as a recommendation.

I've enjoyed watching the series, and I'll stick around for season 2. The series reminds me of Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel, perhaps because demons are so prominent in all three of these series (more on that later), though with the significant difference that Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel contain sex and "adult" language, while Dead End stays safely within the bounds of a G rating.

Aah yes, Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel, one of the better series I've watched in a while.

I've never felt so called out by a series before...

 

[rjs330]

Sure, but what do you think about stuff being produced for children having gender bending sexuality. It's becoming more and more of a trend. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Bad thing. Its garbage and harmful to kids.

 

[rjs330]

Who is "so in favor of it"? There's a pretty big difference between being "so in favor of" something and simply not objecting to it.

Nothing like riding the fence.

 

[rjs330]

I typically look at it through the lens of "would this sort of thing raise a fuss if it was hetero white people behaving this exact way?"

This is a psychological issue. It goea beyond the normative. Its pushing kids to consider things at a young age that they don't need to be considering. It a psychological issue and kids who struggle are in deep psychological stress and can be harmed by this trans kind of stuff. Encouraging them to pursue something they are not actually mentally ready for until they are an adult.

 

[rjs330]

Not always. About 0.1% of children nationwide received puberty blockers or hormones between 2018 and 2022. Considering that somewhere between 2 and 5% of minors either identify as transgender or have thought that they might be trans (i.e. the potential pool for puberty blockers and hormones), that's really not a lot - about 2-5% of the potential pool of transgender children. Furthermore, puberty blockers have been shown to be safe and reversible - they're also used to treat conditions like precocious puberty (early-onset puberty) in cisgender patients.

No puberty blockers have NOT been shown to be safe or reversible.

Yes the puberty blockers weren't prescribed to teens as often who claimed to be trans. However hormones were. When a kid went to a gender clinic (and not all trans identifying teens did), they almost always got put on blockers or started hormones.

Let's take 2019 as an example. Roughly 21000 kids were diagnosed as dysphoric. 897 of them were given blockers. Not to bad right?

However, 3000 of them were prescribed hormones.

238 kids got mastechtomies.

And all of that was only based on insurance claims.

The sad part is these numbers should be ZERO for kids. As rhe research has shown it is NOT necessary and if you leave rhe kids alone the VAST majority desist. How many of those 3000 kids have been permanently damaged who didnt need to be? All of this based on faulty and manipulated stuff.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

No puberty blockers have NOT been shown to be safe or reversible.

Yes the puberty blockers weren't prescribed to teens as often who claimed to be trans. However hormones were. When a kid went to a gender clinic (and not all trans identifying teens did), they almost always got put on blockers or started hormones.

Let's take 2019 as an example. Roughly 21000 kids were diagnosed as dysphoric. 897 of them were given blockers. Not to bad right?

However, 3000 of them were prescribed hormones.

238 kids got mastechtomies.

And all of that was only based on insurance claims.

The sad part is these numbers should be ZERO for kids. As rhe research has shown it is NOT necessary and if you leave rhe kids alone the VAST majority desist. How many of those 3000 kids have been permanently damaged who didnt need to be? All of this based on faulty and manipulated stuff.

So 17000 out of 21000 dyphoric teens did not get blockers or hormones? Out of the majority that desist, is the that the majority of the 2-5% or the majority out of the 21000 or the majority of the 3000+897? The regret rate is low overall when it has been studied (1-4%), but it is never zero for any medical intervention. Does that mean that no interventions should ever be tried in minors? In Sweden we got more restrictive with recommending puberty blockers after identifying that the effects on bone density was possibly a problem. Not enough data to rule it out, they didn't show that it is problem either as most data seems to indicate that bone density increases when stopping puberty blockers. However, it is still possible to prescribe it if the expected outcome for the teenager is positive enough (ie they are dysphoric enough and it would be alleviated by the use of puberty blockers). Surgical interventions before the age of 18, almost never happens here since it is the surgeon that would have to explicitly argue for why it is necessary.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/ja...ticlePDF&utm_content=jamapediatrics.2024.4527

 

[rjs330]

Does that mean that no interventions should ever be tried in minors?

Yeah. No medical interventions should be done in minors.

Sweden we got more restrictive with recommending puberty blockers after identifying that the effects on bone density was possibly a problem.

Its not just puberty blockers thats the problem. Its the medicalization including hormones. And Sweden also restricted that more as well due to systematic reviews on the research regarding medicalization. They too cut way back. I still dont know why Sweden does it all based upon the lack of reliable evidence that it really does work.

Also the paper you linked to admitted to the limitations on the study. Based upon those limitations, which are pretty severe the study cannot be used as a reliable or accurate study. It suffers from all the limitations of others of that type.

here are also limitations to this study. Some participants only received gender-affirming care quite recently. While some studies have shown that regret and detransition can sometimes happen years after receiving care,11,33 other studies have suggested that some people who regret their care early sometimes also revise those feelings and feel more positive about their prior care later.34,35 It will be important to continue to monitor these indicators of satisfaction.

Another limitation is that we did not have information about satisfaction or regret from 34 individuals (13%) of the sample who have accessed blockers and/or hormones and are 12 years or older. As most of these participants remain in contact with the research team, we expect to be able to learn more about their experiences in the coming years.

Rather than me going over all the research on this issue that I have done, I would suggest you look up all the information on the systematic reviews that were done, the Cass report and the WPATH files. It should be eye opening. Bottom line there are ZERO reasons to medicalize kids.

Sweden puts brakes on treatments for trans minors

Sweden, the first country to introduce legal gender reassignment, has begun restricting gender reassignment hormone treatments for minors, as it, like many Western countries, grapples with the highly-sensitive…

www.france24.com

 

[Stopped_lurking]

Yeah. No medical interventions should be done in minors.

Its not just puberty blockers thats the problem. Its the medicalization including hormones. And Sweden also restricted that more as well due to systematic reviews on the research regarding medicalization.
They too cut way back. I still dont know why Sweden does it all based upon the lack of reliable evidence that it really does work.

I've read the Swedish reports, here is the short version. Hormonbehandling vid könsdysfori – barn och unga You can right-click and translate to English, it works well enough.

And here is the long version, It's a pdf so I guess it is harder to translate effectively.
https://www.sbu.se/contentassets/ea...nbehandling-vid-konsdysfori_barn-och-unga.pdf

Otherwise here is the article the authors published afterwards, it is not some kind of broad condemnation of gender-affirming care. It highlights the obvious need for better constructed studies.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/apa.16791

Here are the official recommendations, they still accept gender-confirming medical care if they are based on the original dutch protocol and if the treating doctor believes it to be beneficial (short summary, in english). https://www.socialstyrelsen.se/contentassets/444af6c0a5fb429c9b56fd51b931a816/2023-1-8330.pdf

Long form in Swedish.
https://www.socialstyrelsen.se/contentassets/971023131c8e44388d3eefb5f2b3ee91/2023-6-8586.pdf
From page 6

Hormonell och kirurgisk behandling
Efter en noggrann individuell bedömning som sker under utredningen kan specialistteamet i specifika fall erbjuda hormonell och kirurgisk behandling även till dig som är under 18 år. Det handlar då om så kallad pubertetshämmande behandling, behandling med könshormoner och att ta bort brösten (mastektomi). Precis som med andra behandlingar är syftet att minska könsdysforin, förbättra måendet och göra det lättare att leva på ett sätt som stämmer med könsidentiteten. Det är dock viktigt att du känner till att sådana behandlingar medför större risker och bieffekter än andra behandlingar. Teamet är skyldigt att noggrant informera dig om detta.

DeepL translation.

Hormonal and surgical treatment
After a thorough individual assessment during the investigation, the specialist team may, in specific cases, offer hormonal and surgical treatment even to those under the age of 18. This involves so-called puberty-suppressing treatment, treatment with sex hormones and breast removal (mastectomy). As with other treatments, the aim is to reduce gender dysphoria, improve well-being and make it easier to live in a way that is consistent with your gender identity. However, it is important to be aware that such treatments carry greater risks and side effects than other treatments. The team is obliged to inform you thoroughly about this.
Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

Edited to add after your edit @rjs330 Why are you citing a French news site? All data are available directly from SBU and Socialstyrelsen, no need for it to pass an editorial board.

Of course there are limitations with the study I linked, such is the reality for all studies. Show me the studies that report a high regret rate then. As of now you haven't supported that regret rates are a significant problem.

Rather than me going over all the research on this issue that I have done, I would suggest you look up all the information on the systematic reviews that were done, the Cass report and the WPATH files. It should be eye opening. Bottom line there are ZERO reasons to medicalize kids.

So give me the references to the systematic reviews you have read. I'm aware about the Cass report, and have read it. I'm not up to date on WPATH resources, but do you mean their standard of care 8 (https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/26895269.2022.2100644)? I can read it.


Were you thinking about WPATH and SoC8? There is 18 chapters, are there any of them that you feel is more important than others?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

No puberty blockers have NOT been shown to be safe or reversible.

They're as safe as many other medications prescribed to children for the treatment of various conditions.

Yes the puberty blockers weren't prescribed to teens as often who claimed to be trans. However hormones were. When a kid went to a gender clinic (and not all trans identifying teens did), they almost always got put on blockers or started hormones.

Let's take 2019 as an example. Roughly 21000 kids were diagnosed as dysphoric. 897 of them were given blockers. Not to bad right?

However, 3000 of them were prescribed hormones.

Last I checked, 1/7 wasn't "almost always." So, my point stands.

 

[Servus]

They're as safe as many other medications prescribed to children for the treatment of various conditions.

Such as what other medications and what conditions?

 

[rjs330]

They're as safe as many other medications prescribed to children for the treatment of various conditions.

Last I checked, 1/7 wasn't "almost always." So, my point stands.

I'm wondering why you left out the other stuff. Telling only part of the tale can be misleading. Not saying you wet deliberately doing that.

You see in all the debates surrounding the issue, puberty blockers was only a portion of the issues.

On that point tge WPATH files showed thay parents and kids were not giving informed consent. The drug touted ad just a pause and presented as safe and reversible. Neither of which is true.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I'm wondering why you left out the other stuff.

Because it was irrelevant. I was replying to someone who made the claim "Transgender people are given puberty blockers and/or gotten ready for a lifetime of surgeries and drugs in order to change their gender (their sex)" to point out that it's not the norm - or even especially common. The data that you cited supports my argument.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Such as what other medications and what conditions?

Accutane, use for the treatment of acne, is the first one that comes to mind because my doctor wanted to put me on it as a teen (my sister did take it for several years), and the side effects were pretty bad - bad enough that I decided I'd rather deal with the acne than risk them.

The various ADHD drugs were/are also pretty nasty.

I'm sure there are plenty more, but those are some that I have personal/family experience with.

 

[rjs330]

Because it was irrelevant. I was replying to someone who made the claim "Transgender people are given puberty blockers and/or gotten ready for a lifetime of surgeries and drugs in order to change their gender (their sex)" to point out that it's not the norm - or even especially common. The data that you cited supports my argument.

The statement seems to include other things you left out. The and/or gotten ready for a lifetime of surgeries and drugs seems it would include those ither stats.

But, whatever. I'm not going to push it. I mostly wanted to clarify that puberty blockers are not safe nor reversible and that they aren't the only methods used to transition even if they are smaller by comparison to others that are all paid by insurance. I wonder if the stat you quoted also include government medical coverage.