Hamas now executing Palestinians who tried to help peace.

[Fantine]

It is not okay to execute the citizenry. That's called tyranny.

And no human being should support the public execution of the citizenry of any state. That's called being on the wrong side of the right.

I said there should be trials. But it is Israel, not Hamas, who turned their homeland into a chaotic minefield. What is the protocol when 3 million homeless starving people prowl the streets. Hamas did not create this scenario.

 

[Hazelelponi]

We can very much choose to no longer be involved in the regions never ending conflicts.

Hamas is a large enough problem that they really are a world problem at this point. You heard we captured a 10/7 terrorist living illegally in Louisiana preparing for his role in WW3? It's a world problem now, has been for a minute.

The more assistance we get from neighboring countries the better. No one wants a 5 million person death cult on their doorstep. No one. It's not possible to live peaceably with that anywhere.

It's only possible to ignore for so long, and the time limit is up on that.

 

[Hentenza]

I said there should be trials. But it is Israel, not Hamas, who turned their homeland into a chaotic minefield. What is the protocol when 3 million homeless starving people prowl the streets. Hamas did not create this scenario.

Hamas is the root cause. If Hamas would not have attacked Israel in Oct. 2023 then Israel would not have attacked Gaza. It’s pretty simple really. That’s how wars begin typically.

 

[Lukaris]

I think Hamas manipulates Palestinian society as a human shield and executes those people who realize the Hamas con game.

 

[BCP1928]

Nah. It was Hamas. I don’t see the native Americans attacking the US government.

When the fighting started there was no Hamas. It was 1918 and the indigenous people of Ottoman Palestine fought the British, then they fought, and are still fighting, the European immigrants who the British handed the territory over to. Hamas wasn't founded until 1987

 

[Hentenza]

When the fighting started there was no Hamas. It was 1918 and the indigenous people of Ottoman Palestine fought the British, then they fought, and are still fighting, the European immigrants who the British handed the territory over to. Hamas wasn't founded until 1987

So, by your logic, Hamas should be fighting the British. The fighting with Israel by Hamas started in 2007 when they took over the government of Gaza.

 

[BCP1928]

So, by your logic, Hamas should be fighting the British.

No, just blaming them

The fighting with Israel by Hamas started in 2007 when they took over the government of Gaza.

And everything was sweetness and light before that.

 

[Hentenza]

No, just blaming them

And everything was sweetness and light before that.

Actually, as imperfect as the Oslo accords were, at least the PLO and Israel had recognized each other and were still talking. When Hamas took over they rejected the accords and started attacking Israel right away.

 

[BCP1928]

Actually, as imperfect as the Oslo accords were, at least the PLO and Israel had recognized each other and were still talking. When Hamas took over they rejected the accords and started attacking Israel right away.

No, Hamas took over because the Palestinians were not satisfied the accords.

 

[Hentenza]

No, Hamas took over because the Palestinians were not satisfied the accords.

I know so they made their bed and now have to sleep in it.

 

[lismore]

In a stark assertion of the group’s return, fighters executed several men they accused of collaborating with Israeli forces. In one video circulated late on Monday, Hamas fighters dragged seven men into a circle of people in Gaza City, forced them to their knees and shot them from behind. A Hamas source confirmed the authenticity of the video.

A very sad state of affairs and raises serious concerns about human rights in any Palestinian State, as there are indeed serious concerns about the human rights of minorities in many muslim majority countries in the world. Lord have mercy

 

[JosephZ]

Hamas is the root cause. If Hamas would not have attacked Israel in Oct. 2023 then Israel would not have attacked Gaza. It’s pretty simple really. That’s how wars begin typically.

Decades of injustices perpetrated by the Israeli government against the Palestinian people are the root cause of the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. This conflict began long before Hamas existed, making Hamas only a symptom. As long as the underlying conditions that created Hamas persist, there will be no peace. Israel must end its occupation of the Palestinian territories, pay a large portion of the rebuilding costs of Gaza, and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination through the creation of a sovereign Palestinian state. Until that happens, the road to real peace can't even begin.

Unfortunately, the road to peace is going to be long and will face many obstacles. There are just too many young people and children who have lost literally everything, including their loved ones. There are going to be many who will seek vengeance regardless of what steps are taken to bring about peace. Terrorist attacks against Israel will continue for at least a generation, I'm afraid, whether they be from Hamas, other groups, or individuals who refuse to forgive. While this new peace deal is a good start, and hopefully it holds, no one should be expecting peace to be achieved overnight. It's going to take a lot of time and patience.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Hamas did not create this scenario.

Help me understand this, are we speaking of the same Hamas?

• Hamas the internationally recognized terrorist organization
• Hamas the group that beat women in public squares
• Hamas who uses children as human shields
• Hamas who executed homosexuals
• Hamas who has the eradication of the Jews in their charter
• Hamas who mutilate babies
• Hamas who kidnapped over 200 people who were doing NOTHING to them, but hey, they were Jews
• Hamas who fired thousands of rockets into civilian markets, schools and hospitals
• Hamas who slaughter children in front of their parents
• Hamas who the world has condemned for their violence
• Hamas who fired on their own citizens trying to get food.
• Hamas the ones who have been offered two state solutions three times - turned them down each time

That Hamas? Those are the people you are making excuses for?

 

[Hentenza]

Decades of injustices perpetrated by the Israeli government against the Palestinian people are the root cause of the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. This conflict began long before Hamas existed, making Hamas only a symptom. As long as the underlying conditions that created Hamas persist, there will be no peace. Israel must end its occupation of the Palestinian territories, pay a large portion of the rebuilding costs of Gaza, and allow Palestinians the right to self-determination through the creation of a sovereign Palestinian state. Until that happens, the road to real peace can't even begin.

Nah. The land was given to Israel in 1948. None of these people even called themselves Palestinians until the PLO. Israel is not going anywhere so that ship sailed. The two state solution is still possible but Jerusalem cannot be part of it.

Unfortunately, the road to peace is going to be long and will face many obstacles. There are just too many young people and children who have lost literally everything, including their loved ones. There are going to be many who will seek vengeance regardless of what steps are taken to bring about peace. Terrorist attacks against Israel will continue for at least a generation, I'm afraid, whether they be from Hamas, other groups, or individuals who refuse to forgive. While this new peace deal is a good start, and hopefully it holds, no one should be expecting peace to be achieved overnight. It's going to take a lot of time and patience.

Here we agree. The radicals will continue to attack Israel so the civilians will continue to die and suffer.

 

[BCP1928]

Help me understand this, are we speaking of the same Hamas?

• Hamas the internationally recognized terrorist organization
• Hamas the group that beat women in public squares
• Hamas who uses children as human shields
• Hamas who executed homosexuals
• Hamas who has the eradication of the Jews in their charter
• Hamas who mutilate babies
• Hamas who kidnapped over 200 people who were doing NOTHING to them, but hey, they were Jews
• Hamas who fired thousands of rockets into civilian markets, schools and hospitals
• Hamas who slaughter children in front of their parents
• Hamas who the world has condemned for their violence
• Hamas who fired on their own citizens trying to get food.
• Hamas the ones who have been offered two state solutions three times - turned them down each time

That Hamas? Those are the people you are making excuses for?

Nobody is trying to make excuses for Hamas, just trying to come to consider their motivation in order to deal with them more effectively.

What I see is a long-simmering nationalist insurgency which has taken a vicious turn and is now being brutally suppressed. I just don't have a dog in the fight, that's all. I don't have to make excuses for either side.

 

[Say it aint so]

I don't know about Hamas, no one is defending them. What people speak out about. What I speak out about is the people of Palestine. Including this in what Hamas is doing to them because those Palestinians made difficult decisions to survive being place between a rock and hard spot by both Israel and Hamas. This has always been about territory and the rights to holy places. The irony is the "holy land" is one of the most bloodiest tracks of land in human history. The Holy Land where people kill each other because their books of faith say this land belongs to them, the other group says their book says it belongs to them. Coupled with another group whose holy book says once we breed a red heifer, their holy book says it paves the way for dead people to come back. It has always been a hot mess. We need more humanists running the world.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Decades of injustices perpetrated by the Israeli government against the Palestinian people are the root cause of the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians.ause

That's not why Hamas is fighting, or what they are fighting for.

They aren't trying to get Israel to treat them better as neighbors, Israel treats the Palestinians better than the Arabs do.

They fight Israel because they don't believe Jews have the right of self rule in quote unquote "Muslim lands"

They consider this Muslim lands because of the mosque. Because a mosque was built there once upon a time the claim is now only Muslims are allowed to hold any type of government rule.

That's why Hamas is fighting.

We can't even get to how Israel as a neighboring state might treat their neighbors through that.

As a neighboring state they allow visa entry for medical treatment - does Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan? As a neighboring state they allow work visas be given to some Palestinians to work, how much work is provided by Egypt, Lebanon or Jordan?

Certainly they could have better relations, but not with Hamas because Hamas doesn't want better relations. Everything Israel does for Palestinians should be being provided by Arab states, not Israel.

 

[JosephZ]

That's not why Hamas is fighting, or what they are fighting for.

They aren't trying to get Israel to treat them better as neighbors, Israel treats the Palestinians better than the Arabs do.

They fight Israel because they don't believe Jews have the right of self rule in quote unquote "Muslim lands"

They consider this Muslim lands because of the mosque. Because a mosque was built there once upon a time the claim is now only Muslims are allowed to hold any type of government rule.

That's why Hamas is fighting.

What Hamas is fighting for is irrelevant at this point. Hamas exploited the plight of the Palestinian people; that's what terrorist groups do. The occupation of the Palestinian territories and unjust treatment of Palestinians provided a fertile environment for the rise of an Islamic terrorist group and its ability to recruit and gain support among a largely Muslim population.

Everything Israel does for Palestinians should be being provided by Arab states, not Israel.

To achieve real peace and destroy the terrorist groups that are found in Gaza once and for all, Israel has to show that it genuinely cares about the Palestinian people, and being a part of the rebuilding of Gaza will show that Israel is committed to improving the lives of the Palestinian people.

Below is a statement I made on this forum one week into this current conflict on October 15, 2023.

"To defeat Hamas, Israel has to make supporting and joining them less attractive to Palestinians and potential recruits. This can be done by Israel recognizing and respecting a Palestinian state and improving the lives of the Palestinian people. Israel will need to play a direct role in rebuilding Gaza and improving infrastructure once the dust settles from this most recent bombardment. This, along with supporting economic development and offering livelihood opportunities, would go a long way in changing the attitude and mindset of those who live in Gaza. If Israel can show that they care more about the Palestinian people than Hamas, then Hamas will lose the support of the Palestinian people and their primary recruiting tool. This is the only way to destroy Hamas. To make this happen, it will take a concerted effort by the Israeli government, the UN, NGO's, and the Palestinians themselves."

Two years later, the same holds true.

 

[Nithavela]

I said there should be trials. But it is Israel, not Hamas, who turned their homeland into a chaotic minefield. What is the protocol when 3 million homeless starving people prowl the streets. Hamas did not create this scenario.

You really believe the reasoning of Hamas for those executions? As far as I see it, those people were just as likely to have been critical or just in their way.

 

[Nithavela]

What Hamas is fighting for is irrelevant at this point. Hamas exploited the plight of the Palestinian people; that's what terrorist groups do. The occupation of the Palestinian territories and unjust treatment of Palestinians provided a fertile environment for the rise of an Islamic terrorist group and its ability to recruit and gain support among a largely Muslim population.



To achieve real peace and destroy the terrorist groups that are found in Gaza once and for all, Israel has to show that it genuinely cares about the Palestinian people, and being a part of the rebuilding of Gaza will show that Israel is committed to improving the lives of the Palestinian people.

Below is a statement I made on this forum one week into this current conflict on October 15, 2023.

"To defeat Hamas, Israel has to make supporting and joining them less attractive to Palestinians and potential recruits. This can be done by Israel recognizing and respecting a Palestinian state and improving the lives of the Palestinian people. Israel will need to play a direct role in rebuilding Gaza and improving infrastructure once the dust settles from this most recent bombardment. This, along with supporting economic development and offering livelihood opportunities, would go a long way in changing the attitude and mindset of those who live in Gaza. If Israel can show that they care more about the Palestinian people than Hamas, then Hamas will lose the support of the Palestinian people and their primary recruiting tool. This is the only way to destroy Hamas. To make this happen, it will take a concerted effort by the Israeli government, the UN, NGO's, and the Palestinians themselves."

Two years later, the same holds true.

When israel rebuilds gaza, hamas digs out those rebuilding materials and makes weapons out of them.