SHOW ME YOUR WORKS BY YOUR FAITH. ( THOSE WHO TEACH LAW, WHCH IS NOT OF FAITH.)

[Abraham1st]

Can anyone on the Christian forum, with all great theology, great knowledge, even having faith that could remove mountains, be anything, without charity ? The answer is no, the answer is also because knowledge puffs up.

Faith only works through love, Apostle Paul tells how he is crucified with Christ, so Christ lives in him, and the life he now lives he lives by the faith of the Son of God who loved him, and gave Himself for him. ( FAITH WORKS BY LOVE/BELIEVING IN AND BEING EDIFIED BY CHARITY/LOVE.)

God RICH IN MERCY, for HIs GREAT LOVE WHEREWITH HE LOVED US, even when dead in sins, ( in UNBELIEF/IN LAW.) has quickened us together with Christ, ( BY GRACE YOU ARE SAVED.) and has RAISED US UP together, made us sit TOGETHER in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, for ever God will show the exceeding RICHES OF HIS GRACE AND HIS KINDNESS toward us THROUGH CHRIST JESUS, for you are SAVED BY GRACE through FAITH, not of yourselves, it is he GIFT OF GOD. Not of WORKS, or any man should BOAST. ( knowledge PUFFS UP. )

Faith alone wont save you. ( having all faith and not having charity, is NOTHING.)

A man may say he has works. He wont show faith without works. (of faith.) But we can show our faith by our works.


Jesus told those of the LAW, to not labour/WORK, ( as it PERISHES.) but for what endures unto EVERLASTING LIFE, ( WHICH THE SON OF MAN SHALL GIVE NTO YOU, THE SON HAS BEEN SEALED BY THE FATHER.)

The LAW Jews did not accept or understand, and ask again, what WORK to do the WORKS of God ?

Jesus answers them again, THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD, THAT YOU BELIEVE ON HIM WHO HE HAS SENT.

Those of LAW=no FAITH, required a SIGN, which they wanted to SEE, and BELIEVE, they ask what WORK Jesus did ?

Instead of believing in the testimonies of Christ, the LAW asks questions, and Jesus later answers them how He goes HIs way, ( THIS IS HIS WORK.) and then they still seek Him. ( THOSE OF THE LAW SEEK GOD/JESUS CHRIST IS GOD.) and they shall DIE in their SINS. ( unable to go WHERE HE IS.) They are told they die in their sins BECAUSE THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN WHO HE IS.





John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

John 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

1 Corinthians 8:1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.

1 Corinthians 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Galatians 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I HAVE WORKS: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.




Our Maker, ( Christ made all things.) is our husband and our redeemer, the God of the whole earth He is called.

God tells us how this is as the waters of NOAH unto Him, as God had SWORN that the WATERS OF NOAH should no more go over the earth, so God has SWORN that He will no longer be angry with us. HIs COVENANT OF PEACE shall not be removed from us, neither IS KINDNESS depart from us, says the Lord that HAS MERCY ON US.

These are the children to be ALL TAUGHT OF THE LORD, in RIGHTEOUSNESS established, the heritage of the servants of the Lord. ( THEIR RIGHTEOUSNESS IS OF HIM, SAYS THE LORD.)

Jesus speaking to those of THE LAW, ( who in the same chapter 6 were told what the work of God are, and to NOT LABOUR for what they LABOUR FOR, IN THE LAW.) tells them no man can come to Him, but t believe in what was WRITTEN IN THE PROPHETS, ( and the law.) they shall all be taught of God, EVERY MAN THEREFORE THAT HAS HEARD. ( BY THE HEARING OF FAITH TO RECEIVE THE SPIRIT, NOT BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW. Galatians 3:2-5.) Jesus tells VERILY, HE THAT BELIEVES ON HIM HAS EVERLASTING LIFE.





Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Isaiah 54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.


Isaiah 54:9 For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.
10 For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the Lord that hath mercy on thee.

Isaiah 54:13 And all thy children shall be taught of the Lord; and great shall be the peace of thy children.
14 In righteousness shalt thou be established: thou shalt be far from oppression; for thou shalt not fear: and from terror; for it shall not come near thee.

Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.




John the Baptist tells of the Baptism that Christ will do, along with the WATER BAPTISM that John did for them, it is to BAPTISE THEM WITH THE HOLY GHOST AND WITH FIRE.

The end times now, many false prophets rise to deceive many, and the love of many has gone cold. INIQUITY ABOUNDS AS FAIT WORKS BY LOVE/CHARITY EDIFIES/KNOWLEDGE/of the LAW, PUFFS UP.)

This Gospel of the Kingdom ( FAITH AND CHARITY.) is preached IN ALL THE WORLD, then the end shall come.

Then any man saying this is their idea of Christ. ( PREACHING ANOTHER JESUS. (2 Corinthians 11:4) BELIEVE IT NOT.

False Christs and false prophets to deceive the very elect if it were possible.

Jesus compares Noah to deter us from these deceivers, so focus on the preaching RIGHT NOW with ME, as the days of NOAH, so ALSO the coming of the Son of man SHALL BE. They did not know when the flood came, they had no faith as Niah had, so were all took away, Noah entered the ARK.

Watch, as we do not know the day nor the hour the Son of an comes.





Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.




Again in Luke, Jesus Himself this time speaks of the FIRE He came to SEND ON THE EARTH/ THE BAPTISM HE HAS TO BE BAPTISED WITH. ( to be ACCOMPLISHED.)

WATCH WITH ME, the days came we desire to SEE one of the days of the Son of man and we shall NOT SEE IT. THey shall say to us SEE, but we are to not go after them nor follow THEM.

Jesus tells us HOW TO WATCH, as in the days of Noah, when NOAH by faith entered the ARK, and LOT LIKEWISE, the SAME DAY Lot went out of Sodom it RAINED FIRE, from heaven and destroyed them all. EVEN THUS SHALL IT BE WHEN THE SON OF MAN IS REVEALED.





Luke 12:49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!

Luke 17:22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.
23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.


Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.




If you are WATCHIONG with me, ( IN FAITH.) then hear what Christ did for us, the JUST for the UNJUST, to bring us to God, put to death in the flesh and quickened by the Spirit.

By that death He went and preachd to us spirits who were in prison, which were disobedient, ( such as the old world disobedient and all got flooded but NOAH.) and Noah and the souls with him were saved BY WATER.

The LIKE FIGURE now SAVES US, the answer of a good conscience BY THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST. ( BAPTISM SAVES US BY WATER BAPTISM AND THE HOLYGHOST/FIRE BAPTISM. That is the saving we see in BOTH NOAH AND LOT, WATER BY NOAH AND FIRE BY LOT.)

The FALSE PROPHETS TEACH AGAINST THIS FAITH, but NOAH AND LOT ARE TAUGHT AGAINST THEIR LAW, and also the angels that sinned did so by UBELIEF, NOT BY LAW AND WERE JUDGED FOREVER TO BE CAST INTO FIRE...





1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.


2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Paul said something different

Romans 3: 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Faith is obedience to God, not rebelling, not sure how this got so upside down and twisted

Gen 26:5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. 9 By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; 10 for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Jesus said John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Jesus came to free us of sin, not the law. The law just shows us our sins and shows our need for a Savior. Getting rid of the law doesn't get rid of sin, it just covers ones sin, where no one receives mercy and no more sacrifice remains Heb10:26-30

Pro 28:13 He who covers his sins will not prosper,
But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy.

Its really common sense, does God want us to worship other gods. If you answer is yes, than you have not read your Bible. If the answer is no, this would apply to the other 9 commandments- the Testimony of God Exo 31:18 James 2:11. Breaking the least of these commandments one will be in fear of sin and judgement Mat5:19-30

If everyone was keeping the Ten Commandments the way Jesus explained, there would be no more sin, why its the perfect law of the Lord converting the soul Psa19:7 and the law of liberty which sets us free of the bondage of sin James 2:11-12

 

[Abraham1st]

Paul said something different

Romans 3: 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Faith is obedience to God, not rebelling, not sure how this got so upside down and twisted

Gen 26:5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. 9 By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; 10 for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Jesus said John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Jesus came to free us of sin, not the law. The law just shows us our sins and shows our need for a Savior. Getting rid of the law doesn't get rid of sin, it just covers ones sin, where no one receives mercy and no more sacrifice remains Heb10:26-30

Pro 28:13 He who covers his sins will not prosper,
But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy.

Its really common sense, does God want us to worship other gods. If you answer is yes, than you have not read your Bible. If the answer is no, this would apply to the other 9 commandments- the Testimony of God Exo 31:18 James 2:11. Breaking the least of these commandments one will be in fear of sin and judgement Mat5:19-30

If everyone was keeping the Ten Commandments the way Jesus explained, there would be no more sin, why its the perfect law of the Lord converting the soul Psa19:7 and the law of liberty which sets us free of the bondage of sin James 2:11-12

Lets go through the parts you missed.

Baptism/belief in Jesus Christ rising from the dead saves us, we are dead to sins, and the law is prevention from doing sins, which no longer applies to those dead to sins, and alive unto God through Jesus Christ.

The commandment of Jesus is to love your friends by laying your life down for them, and we are that friend of Jesus Christ if we do all whatsoever He commands us. ( to love our friends by laying our life down for them.)

The law did show us our sins, it brought us to Christ, and Christ then has nailed all of our sins which we could not be justified from in the law, to His cross.

Those in the law sin, 1 John 3:10, but those in Christ are born of God and cannot sin, because His seed remains in them. 1John 3:9.

Conversion is as a little child, they are taught by Jesus Christ, as we see in Apostle Paul, you are teaching nobody and have nothing to teach with.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Lets go through the parts you missed.
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and the law is prevention from doing sins

Where is this Scripture. The law doesn't do anything except SHOW us what sin is Rom 3:20 Rom7:7 without the law, we would not know what is right or wrong. We would depend on our own righteousness instead of God's Psa 119:172

, which no longer applies to those dead to sins,

Sin is breaking the law 1 John3:4 if we are dead to sin would be worshipping other gods or stealing from our neighbor?

and alive unto God through Jesus Christ.

To vain His holy name is that what you call being alive in Christ? Laying aside His commandments and worshipping Him in vain- is what Jesus said the path that leads one to a ditch Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13, not being reconciled back to Him.

The commandment of Jesus is to love your friends by laying your life down for them, and we are that friend of Jesus Christ if we do all whatsoever He commands us. ( to love our friends by laying our life down for them.)

Jesus has a lot of commandments; one verse doesn't delete the other such as Mat19:17-19 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 John 14:15 John 15:10 Mat5:19-30 etc

The law did show us our sins,

there is no past tense 1 John 3:4

it brought us to Christ,

Amen

and Christ then has nailed all of our sins which we could not be justified from in the law, to His cross.

No, the death of Jesus did not nail all future sins to the Cross so we can live in rebellion to God. We continue living in sin(breaking the law1John3:4) , there remains no more sacrifice Heb 10:26-30 why would someone in Christ not obey what He asks? This makes no sense because sadly, its not a doctrine coming from God Isa8:20

Those in the law sin, 1 John 3:10, but those in Christ are born of God and cannot sin, because His seed remains in them. 1John 3:9.

Thats because they are only worshipping God and not stealing from their neighbor or breaking the least of these commandments as Jesus taught and lived so therefore they are not breaking the law, they are keeping it just as Jesus asked. John 14:15 Mat5:19-30 Exo 20:6

Conversion is as a little child, they are taught by Jesus Christ, as we see in Apostle Paul, you are teaching nobody and have nothing to teach with.

Back to what Paul said, does faith void the law- No, it does the opposite, it establishes it Rom3:31. I would consider this every time you start teaching to break the least of these commandments instead of hearing and following what Jesus said to teach (and not teach with steep consequences) Mat5:19

We do not want to hear these words when Jesus comes Mat7:23 but these Rev22:14

 

[Abraham1st]

Where is this Scripture. The law doesn't do anything except SHOW us what sin is Rom 3:20 Rom7:7 without the law, we would not know what is right or wrong. We would depend on our own righteousness instead of God's Psa 119:172

Sin is breaking the law 1 John3:4 if we are dead to sin would be worshipping other gods or stealing from our neighbor?

To vain His holy name is that what you call being alive in Christ? Laying aside His commandments and worshipping Him in vain- is what Jesus said the path that leads one to a ditch Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13, not being reconciled back to Him.

Jesus has a lot of commandments; one verse doesn't delete the other such as Mat19:17-19 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 John 14:15 John 15:10 Mat5:19-30 etc

there is no past tense 1 John 3:4

Amen

No, the death of Jesus did not nail all future sins to the Cross so we can live in rebellion to God. Wecontinue living in sin, there remains no more sacrifice Heb 10:26-30

Thats because they are only worshipping God and not stealing from their neighbor or breaking the least of these commandments as Jesus taught and lived so therefore they are not breaking the law, they are keeping it just as Jesus asked. John 14:15 Mat5:19-30 Exo 20:6

Back to what Paul said, does faith void the law- NO, it does the opposite, it establishes it Rom3:31. I would consider this every time you start teaching to break the least of these commandments instead of hearing and following what Jesus said to teach (and not teach with steep consequences ) Mat5:19

We do not want to hear these words when Jesus comes Mat7:23 but these Rev22:14

The law shows us what death is, nothing more, but Jesus Christ shows us what life is, it is HIM.


John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.



Sin is breaking the law to those who can break the law and do break the law, it cant be to those3 who cant sin, as they are born again.



1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.



I told you the commandment of God, to love as Christ, to lay HIs life down, we have no life in us unless we eat HIs body and unless He went away..


John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.





Born of God is the future:



1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.




Apostle Paul fulfilled one command of Jesus Christ, to love his neighbour as himself.



Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.





Yes faith established the law, and ended it too.


Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.



Try some glue if you want any of those weaker points to stick a little

 

[Abraham1st]

I said on the other thread, who will believe the weak answers, and you trying to push your own brand of teaching, why, if its too weak, should you not try to push something with strength and certainty.

 

[Abraham1st]

Here is the challenge, all of your teaching can be more stable, not just turning left and right, but to focus on one clear point, one you stand by, that you feel cant be turned backwards, try to show something like that, lets see if you have reason on your side, or if you are just grasping.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

If the law ended, we do not need grace. If there is no need for grace, we do not need a Savior. If we do not need a Savior than we are all lost. Its the same lie that started in the garden that sadly is still working that we can disobey God and live, when God said the opposite.

I hope this works out well for you. Jesus said Mat 7:21-23 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 but if we do not need faith and faith voids the voice of God to be obedient to Him. I guess we can ignore His teachings and warnings. Whoever we listen to is who we serve. Two paths, our choices have consequences Rom 6:16 Rev 22:14-15

I am not going to continue, but hopefully one will prayerfully consider what teachings they are listening to and following Mat5:19 Col2:8 Mat15:3-14

 

[Abraham1st]

If the law ended, we do not need grace. If there is no need for grace, we do not need a Savior. If we do not need a Savior than we are all lost. Its the same lie that started in the garden that sadly is still working that we can disobey God and live, when God said the opposite.

I hope this works out well for you. Jesus said Mat 7:21-23 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 but if we do not need faith and faith voids the voice of God to be obedient to Him. I guess we can ignore His teachings and warnings. Whoever we listen to is who we serve. Two paths, our choices have consequences Rom 6:16 Rev 22:14-15

I am not going to continue, but hopefully one will prayerfully consider what teachings they are listening to and following Mat5:19 Col2:8 Mat15:3-14

the law ended because we found grace, the Saviour found HIs lost sheep, we died in the garden by not being able to follow God, thats why the Son of God had to come in the fulness of time to save us. ( WE ARE NO LONGER SERVANTS, NO LONGER SERVANTS OF SIN.)


Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.



Thats right, we listen to Jeus, and He is not the minister of sin, but the law is sin.



Romans 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Romans 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

 

[Abraham1st]

you wont continue, because of the hopeless situation, or because you cant continue, as i stated, your weak points are visible, they have no credibility to them, and i dont mind your questions, as i can give you my answers

 

[SabbathBlessings]

the law ended because we found grace, the Saviour found HIs lost sheep, we died in the garden by not being able to follow God, thats why the Son of God had to come in the fulness of time to save us. ( WE ARE NO LONGER SERVANTS, NO LONGER SERVANTS OF SIN.)


Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.



Thats right, we listen to Jeus, and He is not the minister of sin, but the law is sin.



Romans 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Romans 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

Grace does not allow us to sin, its the opposite

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

If we are breaking God's laws, we are a servant to sin someone in Christ is abiding in Him and keeping His commandments John 14:15-19 John 15:10 1 John3:25 Acts 5:32

Those who do not subject themselves to the law of God sadly, are the lost Rom8:7-8

 

[Abraham1st]

Grace does not allow us to sin, its the opposite

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

If we are breaking God's laws, we are a servant to sin someone in Christ is abiding in Him and keeping His commandments John 14:15-19 John 15:10 1 John3:25 Acts 5:32

Those who do not subject themselves to the law of God sadly, are the lost Rom8:7-8

while we have faith in Christ we dont need to be told to not sin, we no longer serve sin, can you ever stop going in circles like a hamster on a wheel, if teaching goes to some who sin, they dont have the Spirit they dont have faith, but if we serve righteousness not sin, we cant serve two masters, now do we return to serve the old, as all old is passed away

you are answered, you will always be answered

 

[BobRyan]

For the lost "The Law of God shows us our condemnation and nothing more"

The law shows us what death is, nothing more,

But for the saints under the Jer 31:31-34 New Covenant quoted in Heb 8 - God's law is written on the heart. Since we are the new creation of 2 Cor 5.

but Jesus Christ shows us what life is, it is HIM.

Indeed and He perfectly complied with the Law of God.

So then "what matters is keeping the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
Jesus is God speaking the Ten Commandments at Sinai according to Heb 8.

So then, even in the New Testament it is still a sin "to take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7

Sin is breaking the law

True. As James reminds us in James 2.
As Christ reminds us in Matt 19

to those who can break the law and do break the law, it cant be to those3 who cant sin, as they are born again.

1 John 2 shows that we can sin after being saved.

1 John 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; 2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world

while we have faith in Christ we dont need to be told to not sin,

1 John 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin.

Yes faith established the law, and ended it too.

Not true.

Rom 7 "I agree with the law" , "the law is holy just and good"
Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

End - as in goal of the Law. The Law leads the lost to Christ.

Rom 10:4 “End of the Law” NKJV/KJV/NASB
1 Peter 1:9 “END of your faith” KJV/NKJV

Rev 14;12 "saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

Ex 20:6 "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments"
John 14:15 "if you Love Me KEEP My Commandments"
1 John 5;3 'This IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments"

Rom 8:4-11 only the lost (those not born again) do not and can not submit to the Law of God

"He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,


Eph 6:1-2 quotes from the TEN commandments to apply its force to NT saints
Matt 19 Jesus quotes from the TEN as the obedience God commands

James 2 quotes from the TEN as the LAW of God for saints

 

[Abraham1st]

sorry still have no time to debate, it might come it may not, meanwhile the thread i posted just now, new, is of interest to some people about the very questions you may have brought up, for separation of what command and commandments are. (law versus faith.)

 

[Abraham1st]

but as i saw the bottom of your post just now, James quotes to the commandments because they are for law breakers, not keepers, but if anyone loves their neighbour they are not in that law, as they are a law keeper. (to bear one another's burdens and so fulfil the law of Christ.)



Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.


Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Romans 15:1 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.
2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.
3 For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.

Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

 

[Dan Perez]

Paul said something different

Romans 3: 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Faith is obedience to God, not rebelling, not sure how this got so upside down and twisted

Gen 26:5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. 9 By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; 10 for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Jesus said John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Jesus came to free us of sin, not the law. The law just shows us our sins and shows our need for a Savior. Getting rid of the law doesn't get rid of sin, it just covers ones sin, where no one receives mercy and no more sacrifice remains Heb10:26-30

Pro 28:13 He who covers his sins will not prosper,
But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy.

Its really common sense, does God want us to worship other gods. If you answer is yes, than you have not read your Bible. If the answer is no, this would apply to the other 9 commandments- the Testimony of God Exo 31:18 James 2:11. Breaking the least of these commandments one will be in fear of sin and judgement Mat5:19-30

If everyone was keeping the Ten Commandments the way Jesus explained, there would be no more sin, why its the perfect law of the Lord converting the soul Psa19:7 and the law of liberty which sets us free of the bondage of sin James 2:11-12

And Rom 6:14. says. :

# 1 FOR //. GAR is a CONJUNCATION

# 2 SIN //. HAMARTIA. , in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR.

# 3 SHALL //. KYNEVO. in. the FUTURE TENSE , and in. the INDICATIVE MOOD. , means you. better believe the word SHALL

in. the SINGULAR

# 4 NOT // OU. is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , POINTING TO # 5,

# 5. HAVE DOMINION. OVER // KYNON is a PERSONAL POSSESSEIVE PRONOUN , in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 6 YOU // HYNON. , is a PERSONAL POSSESSEIVE PRONOUN. , in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL.

# 7. FOR // GAR , is a CONJUNCATION

# 8 YE ARE // ESTE , in. the PRESENT TENSE ,in the INDICATIVE MOOD , in. the PLURAL

# 9. NOT // OU. is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , meaning neverrrr

#. 10. UNDER // HYPO. , is a ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 11 THE. LAW // NOMOS. , in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 12 BUT. // ALLA , is a CONJUNCATION

# 13. UNDER // HYPO. is a PREPOSITION

#. GRACE // CHARIS. , in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR.

Remember Rom 10:9. and Eph 2:8

dan p

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And Rom 6:14. says. :

# 1 FOR //. GAR is a CONJUNCATION

# 2 SIN //. HAMARTIA. , in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR.

# 3 SHALL //. KYNEVO. in. the FUTURE TENSE , and in. the INDICATIVE MOOD. , means you. better believe the word SHALL

in. the SINGULAR

# 4 NOT // OU. is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , POINTING B. TO # 5,

# 5. HAVE DOMINION. OVER // KYNON is a PERSONAL POSSESSEIVE PRONOUN , in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 6 YOU // HYNON. , is a PERSONAL POSSESSEIVE PRONOUN. , in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL.

# 7. FOR // GAR , is a CONJUNCATION

# 8 YE ARE // ESTE , in. the PRESENT TENSE , n the INDICATIVE MOOD , in. the PLURAL

# 9. NOT // OU. is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , meaning neverrrr

#. 10. UNDER // HYPO. , is a ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 11 THE. LAW // NOMOS. , in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 12 BUT. // ALLA , is a CONJUNCATION

# 13. UNDER // HYPO. is a PREPOSITION

#. GRACE // CHARIS. , in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR.

Remember Rom 10:9. and Eph 2:8

dan p

And the next verse

Rom 6:15 What then? Shall we sin(break the law 1John3:4) because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

Rom6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

 

[Dan Perez]

And the next verse

Rom 6:15 What then? Shall we sin(break the law 1John3:4) because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

Rom6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

AND ROM 6:16 DOES NOT in. anyway HARM. verse 15?!!

dan p

 

[SabbathBlessings]

AND ROM 6:16 DOES NOT in. anyway HARM. verse 15?!!

dan p

Of course it doesn’t, it just explains the verse you quoted v14.

 

[Studyman]

Can anyone on the Christian forum, with all great theology, great knowledge, even having faith that could remove mountains, be anything, without charity ? The answer is no, the answer is also because knowledge puffs up.

Faith only works through love, Apostle Paul tells how he is crucified with Christ, so Christ lives in him, and the life he now lives he lives by the faith of the Son of God who loved him, and gave Himself for him. ( FAITH WORKS BY LOVE/BELIEVING IN AND BEING EDIFIED BY CHARITY/LOVE.)

God RICH IN MERCY, for HIs GREAT LOVE WHEREWITH HE LOVED US, even when dead in sins, ( in UNBELIEF/IN LAW.) has quickened us together with Christ, ( BY GRACE YOU ARE SAVED.) and has RAISED US UP together, made us sit TOGETHER in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, for ever God will show the exceeding RICHES OF HIS GRACE AND HIS KINDNESS toward us THROUGH CHRIST JESUS, for you are SAVED BY GRACE through FAITH, not of yourselves, it is he GIFT OF GOD. Not of WORKS, or any man should BOAST. ( knowledge PUFFS UP. )

Faith alone wont save you. ( having all faith and not having charity, is NOTHING.)

A man may say he has works. He wont show faith without works. (of faith.) But we can show our faith by our works.


Jesus told those of the LAW, to not labour/WORK, ( as it PERISHES.) but for what endures unto EVERLASTING LIFE, ( WHICH THE SON OF MAN SHALL GIVE NTO YOU, THE SON HAS BEEN SEALED BY THE FATHER.)

The LAW Jews did not accept or understand, and ask again, what WORK to do the WORKS of God ?

There is a lot of errors here. According to Jesus, the "Jews" were rejected because they "Full well rejected God's Laws, and taught for doctrines instead, the commandments of men. They had a Law, it just wasn't God's Law. Since my youth I have heard this world's religions teach that the Pharisees were trying to "earn salvation" by obeying God's Laws. This is one of the most insidious lies ever promoted by the prince of this world. It is not true my friend. If you want to hear what God inspired about a Jew who honored and respected God with obedience, read abut Zacharias and Elizabeth in Luke 1, and Simeon and Anna in Luke 2. These faithful members of God's Church had the "Faith of Jesus", and knew HIM even before HE was born. Be careful, or as Paul teaches, "Beware", or as Jesus teaches, "Take Heed" of this world's religions, "Who come in Christ's Name".

Jesus said to "LIVE BY" every Word of God, HE said if a man wants to "enter life", Keep God's Commandments.

Paul said:

2 Cor. 5: 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Peter said:

2 Peter 3: 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Wherefore (Because of this), beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

If the foundation of an adopted philosophy is built on Sand, because we are only hearers of the Christ's Sayings, and not Doers, our house will not stand. It is God's Will that we believe the Words of this Jesus enough to "work" to become doers of His Sayings, and as Paul teaches, to be "Servants of God's Righteousness".