The History of the “Two Laws” Theory in Romans 3:20

[BobRyan]

Jesus was speaking in Mark 2.27 not of the creation of God's Creation Sabbath but of the creation of Sabbath Law

A distinction without a difference.

The Sabbath at Sinai points directly at Gen 2:2-3
Just read it , see what it quotes in vs 11 of Exodus 20. IT goes directly to Gen 2:2-3
So also Mark 2:27 it speaks of the creation of both Sabbath and mankind that we find in Gen 1-2

for Israel. Obviously, the Creation Sabbath was not itself a creation! It was God's rest after creation.

The only reason Creation week is 7 days, the 7 day week , is because of the Gen 2:2-3 Sabbath also anchored in Ex 20:11 as we all know

But God created a Sabbath Law for Israel at Horeb.

for mankind in Gen 2:2-3
for all mankind as He reminds us in Is 66:23 and Mark 2:27

This has nothing to do with the original Creation of the World.

Until you read Ex 20;11

I explained this elsewhere. Prophets in the OT used OT language to describe future NT realities.

Ex 20 point to the Gen 2:2-3 reality as already noted

And that's because while Israel was still under the Law they dared not use language indicating it was no longer valid for their time.

How "odd" to suggest "Do not take God's name in vain" was "no longer valid.
No such "no longer valid" language is used at all with the "Commandments of God"
Deut 5:22 He spoke the Ten and "added no more", James 2 "he who is guilty of breaking one is guilty of all"

The "no longer valid" language does not exist at all for the Ten or any part of the moral law of God

1. God is the author of "The Commandments of God"
2. God writes His Commandments on the heart under the New Covenant Jer 31:31-34, Heb 8
3. "What matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
4. ":the saints Keep the Commandments of God and their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
5. God's commandments include the Ten having "honor your father and mother as the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-3

It is the same thing when Isaiah refers to Sabbaths in Isa 66.23. He is really talking about a time when the world will acknowledge God from week to week.

from Sabbath to Sabbath just as we see in Act 18:4 "Every Sabbath" Paul was preaching the Gospel in the worship service of the Sabbath

But he used religious terms applicable to Israel's worship in his own day

So then it is impossible to miss the intended meaning to his primary audience.
Exegesis demands that we notice this detail when determining the meaning.

, so that Israel would maintain in their time proper reverence for Sabbath observance.

Exactly. And that is what he predicts to be the case for all eternity in the New heavens and New Earth. Is 66:23
No "Sabbath abolished" language there at all for all eternity after the cross in the New heavens and new Earth

I think you argue all this not from the Bible alone

If I have used some other source, you are free to point that out.
So far you have no case for that

, but with respect for something like 7th Day Adventism?

You will need to do better than that.

Almost every Christian denomination on Earth affirms the continued *"unit of TEN" for Christians today
[*]The Baptist Confession of Faith section 19
[*]The Westminster Confession of Faith section 19
[*]Voddie Baucham
[*]C.H. Spurgeon
[*]D.L. Moody
[*]Dies Domini by Pope John Paul II
[*]D. James Kennedy
[*]R.C. Sproul

Notice that mose of these source affirm the 7th day Sabbath for mankind starting in Eden.
Trying to blame the Sabbath details we find in scripture on SDAs, simply fails at the start.

 

[BobRyan]

Paul clearly denies any need to observe religious days.

Not true.

EVERY reference to Paul in a worship service on Sabbath is a reference to the 7th day Sabbath of Gen 2:2,3 and Ex 20;11
This is irrefutable.

Paul repeatedly affirms the unit of TEN as God's Commandments

And it was practiced by the apostles only because they were Jews

No text says that.

Mark 2:27 says it is for "mankind" not 'just Jews"
Gen 2;2-3 gives it to "mankind" not just Jew
Same in Is 66;23

Jesus observed the Sabbath during his earthly ministry because at that time the Law was still in effect.

As it is today.

It is :"still a sin to take God's name in vain"
James to "he who is guilty of breaking one is guilty of breaking all?

But the Law was preparatory for the New Covenant

God's commandments are part of the Jer 31:31-34 New Covenant as Heb 8 reminds us.

instituted at the cross where the veil was rent.

Sabbath Law is not immortal and eternal

Until you read Isaiah 66;23

. We follow Christ alone today

Jesus is the one that gave the Gen 2:2-3 Sabbath according to John 1:1-7
Jesus is the one speaking the Ten Commandments at Sinai according to Heb 8.

, and fulfill laws only with respect to him.

No text says that when Jesus complies with the command to not worship graven images it means it only applies to Jesus and is not a sin for others to violate that commandment.

And we all know it.

And he had no need to live under the "Law of Sin and Death,"

The Law is only "sin an death" to those who are already lost and have not accept the New Covenant where that same Law of God is written on the heart. The same law known to Jeremiah and his readers in Jer 31:31-34

Jesus condemned anyone teaching against God's Law in Matt 5

ie the Mosaic Law. He had no need to reverence the Sabbath Day,

He was the author of it. Only His enemies accuse Him of breaking the Sabbath in the Gospel.
I choose not to join them.

and no need to have his sins atoned for--he had no sin.

True.

But neither Gen 2:2-3 nor Mark 2:27 nor Ex 20:8-11 says that the Sabbath was given to atone for sin

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said:
Turns out we are also supposed to "Love GOD with all our heart" Deut 6:5, Matt 22.

And we do but not as part of the Jewish law but as the commandment given by Jesus.

A distinction without a difference

Each time it is quoted in the NT - it is directly from the OT

A huge difference. If the law is still required then Jesus sacrifice was for nothing.

1. God's Word is not an "offense to the Gospel" that God has given
2. God is the author of "The Commandments of God" affirmed in John 14:15 (before the cross), and 1 Cor 7:19
3. God writes His Commandments on the heart under the New Covenant Jer 31:31-34, Heb 8
4. "What matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
5. ":the saints Keep the Commandments of God and their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
6. God's commandments include the Ten having "honor your father and mother as the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-3

Which in no way makes it required for the gentiles church.

No such thing as two moral laws in either OT or NT.
all mankind kept Sabbath in Gen 2:2-3 and this is the case for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth Is 66:23

it is gentiles (not Jews) that ask for "MORE Gospel preaching" to be scheduled for them at "The next Sabbath" in Acts 13.

Bible details matter.

Once again the law was never given to the gentiles. If you disagree then post the verse that the gentiles received the law.

Mark 2:27 "Sabbath made for mankind"
Is 66:23 all mankind to keep Sabbath for all eternity after the cross in the new Earth
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the commandments of God"

Jesus died to fulfill it, to complete it. It is done.

Hmm "Do not take God's name in vain" what exactly are you attempting to do with that commandment???

The Spirit is the third person of the Trinity

true.

but, while present at times in the OT, it is in the NT where there scriptures give Him the credit for guiding the Christian

both OT and NT give Him that credit.

God does not change.

 

[BobRyan]

The 10 commandments, except for the 4th commandment,

no exception , so you merely insert it.

Read the Ten they do not say "except the Sabbath"

scripture details matter

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: Turns out we are also supposed to "Love GOD with all our heart" Deut 6:5, Matt 22.

And we do but not as part of the Jewish law but as the commandment given by Jesus.

Not true.

In Matt 22 Jesus is quoting from the OT text and His audience admits it.

Exegesis matters.

34 But when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered themselves together. 35 One of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the great and foremost commandment. 39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”

It is very clear that Jesus gave the same answer from the Law of Moses that the Jews already admitted to being the case.

LUKE 10:

25 And behold, a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this and you will live.” 29 But wanting to justify himself, he said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

And the two commandments summarize the whole law

Just as the Jews already admit as we saw in Luke 10 above.

They never argue that Lev 19:18 deletes God's Law,

You can’t keep the law and walk by the Spirit at the same time.

That is the opposite teaching from what we find in scripture, in places like Romans 8. Your statement above merely quotes "you"

by contrast actual scripture says

Rom 8:
, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,

Strawman. No one is arguing that the law was deleted.

Are you reading your own posts?

Rom 8 identifies the lost as "hostile toward God" not "subjecting themselves to the LAW of God".

Rom 7 quotes from the TEN "do not covet" pointing to it as in the LAW of God and stating that violation of that Ten Commandment Law "is sin"
Just as we see in Rom 13, and Eph 6:1-2 and in James 2.

Let me remind you how Romans 8 begins.

“Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”

Rom 8 not only has Christ fulfilling the Law but ALSO has each one of us doing it by the Spirit , rather than ignoring it.

So then "do not take God's name in vain" fulfilled (complied with) not just in the life of Christ but also the walk of the saints.

‭Do you honestly think that Paul is promoting the law even after calling it weak and ineffective?

"do not take God's name in vain" is only weak and ineffective in the life of the one that is not born again. Paul points to the saints in Rom 8 as in compliance, in harmony with God's Law and not at all at war with it.

Unfortunately your interpretation creates quite a bit of tension in scripture

Not even remotely.

IT shows as John states in 1 John 2
3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5 but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: 6 the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

even within the same author. The Bible writers don’t condemn something in one place only to promote it in another.

exactly

The Bible is consistent in its teachings.

exactly my point

 

[RandyPNW]

A distinction without a difference.

Apparently I didn't do a good enough job explaining the difference betwen the Creation Sabbath and the Weekly Sabbath under the Law of Moses? There is more than a little difference betwen them! The Creation Sabbath was something God observed. The Sabbath Law was something Israel, and not God, observed.

Also, the Creation Sabbath was a "one off." It presented Rest in recognition of a completely finished product. By contrast, Sabbath Law was repetitive, indefinitely, and represented an unfinished product--an incomplete redemption from unfinished contaminated works.

The Sabbath at Sinai points directly at Gen 2:2-3

The Sabbath Law does point back, in a sense, to the Creation Sabbath. But this was to honor God's Creation Sabbath as something different--something perfect and Divine, and the Sabbath Law as representing human imperfection.

One presented God's perfection. And the other represented Man's defiling of the Paradise God had given us, Man now subject to toiling by the sweat of his brow.

How "odd" to suggest "Do not take God's name in vain" was "no longer valid.

The OT Law is no longer applicable *as law.* I wouldn't say it was invalid as a teaching tool. The same morality is present in Christ, who is the one we follow now--not the Law of Moses, nor the 10 Commandments. And certainly not Sabbath Law.

Whatever remains law in Jesus himself is what we follow. But we do so under an entirely new covenant, as opposed to the one given Israel at Sinai.

from Sabbath to Sabbath just as we see in Act 18:4 "Every Sabbath" Paul was preaching the Gospel in the worship service of the Sabbath

As I've said several times now, Paul acted like a Jew so as to win the Jews. But he proclaimed that he was personally free from any obligation under the Law of Moses. He did not want cultural issues to inhibit his attempt to reach his fellow Jews with the Gospel. To Paul, cultural issues, such as Sabbath observance or the eating of meat offerred to idols, was a distraction.

Almost every Christian denomination on Earth affirms the continued *"unit of TEN" for Christians today

They do so to assert the continued morality of our life in Christ, which was modeled after the Ten Commandments. Christ's life was also the *fulfillment* of the 10 Commandments.

All denominations also assert that Christians are not under the Law of Moses any longer, which means that any seeming observance of the 10 Commandments is not really an observance of the Law of Moses, but actually only a recognition that the same morality that was in the 10 Commandments is also present in the New Covenant and in Christ, as well.

 

[RandyPNW]

Not true.

EVERY reference to Paul in a worship service on Sabbath is a reference to the 7th day Sabbath of Gen 2:2,3 and Ex 20;11
This is irrefutable.

You're trying to use a truism as proof! Of course, every case in which Paul observes Sabbath rest is a genuine example of him practicing Sabbath rest! But that doesn't mean he was ever doing this out of observance of the OT Law!

Paul repeatedly affirms the unit of TEN as God's Commandments

If Paul did so he was affirming that they were ten commandments *under the Law of Moses.*

No text says that.

Mark 2:27 says it is for "mankind" not 'just Jews"

Sorry, it doesn't have to be spelled out that Jesus was speaking of Jews. Obviously, he was speaking to Jews and knew that the Sabbath Law had only been given to the Jews.

It is :"still a sin to take God's name in vain"
James to "he who is guilty of breaking one is guilty of breaking all?

James was using OT Law as an example of how *any sin* keeps Mankind from obtaining Eternal Life by his own works. That was the lesson of the Fall in the garden of Eden. A single sin contaminated Adam and Eve, and got them kicked out of the garden and away from the Tree of Life.

The Law of Moses was designed to affirm this truth to Israel, to make them hope for God's mercy, which would be revealed in Christ. Christ provided a Salvation *apart from the Law of Moses* so that they could find mercy in Jesus despite their record of sin under the Law.

Israel no longer has to serve God under the bondage of the Law, which bound them to Sin and Death. They can simply follow Jesus. The 10 Commandments, and Sabbath Law, are completely fulfilled in his righteousness. And he was not subject to the Law. He *gave* the Law!

God's commandments are part of the Jer 31:31-34 New Covenant as Heb 8 reminds us.

We are told in Jer 31.32 that the New Covenant will be for Israel something different from the Commandments and Laws given at Horeb.

Until you read Isaiah 66;23

I've read it and explained it. OT language was used in the OT period in order not to discourage continued respect for the Law. But Sabbath to Sabbath simply means Week to Week.

Jesus condemned anyone teaching against God's Law in Matt 5

I don't know when you will begin to understand that Jesus spoke, during his earthly ministry, to Israel while they were *still under the Law.* The veil had not yet been rent. The New Covenant had not yet been sealed in Jesus' blood. Therefore, the Law of Moses was still in play, and Jesus indicated that every requirement was needed to show every aspect of what Messiah would do.

You gotta believe what you want to believe is true.

 

[Hentenza]

no exception , so you merely insert it.

Read the Ten they do not say "except the Sabbath"

scripture details matter

Please post a post crucifixion verse that commands the Christians to keep the 4th commandment. Jesus is our sabbath rest not the law.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Apparently I didn't do a good enough job explaining the difference betwen the Creation Sabbath and the Weekly Sabbath under the Law of Moses? There is more than a little difference betwen them! The Creation Sabbath was something God observed. The Sabbath Law was something Israel, and not God, observed.

We could go by what God said, He never said they were different Sabbaths. He cleared indicates they are the same why He references it in the Sabbath commandment. God observed the weekly Sabbath at Creation because He is the example for mankind, He made man in His image and likeness,Gen1:26 to follow Him. God never needed rest at Creation, it was to set the example for man. Why in the 4th commandment God commanded man the exact same weekly cycle. When God rested on the Sabbath, do we really think our first parents didn't rest and keep the Sabbath with God made for man Mark2:27? They rebelled on the very first day? I don't think so.

God made no difference in the Sabbath according to His Testimony- I think its important to let God be God when He tells us something explicitly we are to just believe, its what faith is about, instead of telling God and re-interpreting Him, something we are told plainly not to do. Pro30:56 Pro 3:5-6

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

No different Sabbath, God related the Sabbath in the 4th commandment to the Sabbath at Creation and used the seventh day and the Sabbath day as interchangeable. Why most ancient languages Saturday means Sabbath

Also, the Creation Sabbath was a "one off." It presented Rest in recognition of a completely finished product. By contrast, Sabbath Law was repetitive, indefinitely, and represented an unfinished product--an incomplete redemption from unfinished contaminated works.

According to God, they are the same Sabbath

The Sabbath Law does point back, in a sense, to the Creation Sabbath. But this was to honor God's Creation Sabbath as something different--something perfect and Divine, and the Sabbath Law as representing human imperfection.

Not in the Text.

The OT Law is no longer applicable *as law.* I wouldn't say it was invalid as a teaching tool. The same morality is present in Christ, who is the one we follow now--not the Law of Moses, nor the 10 Commandments. And certainly not Sabbath Law.

Rev 22:14-15 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Rom 13:9 Mat19:17-19 Rom7:7 James 2:10-12 Rev 14:12 1 John5:3 Rom 2:21-23 Heb4:9NIV Heb 4:4,10 Rom 7:12 Rom8:7-8 Mark 2:27 Mat 12:12 Mat5:19-30 disagrees

Whatever remains law in Jesus himself is what we follow. But we do so under an entirely new covenant, as opposed to the one given Israel at Sinai.

Where does Jesus say this is the law for Gentiles that is my covenant- verse please

These are the words of the Lord, if they mean anything.

He brings Gentiles into His covenant through the Sabbath

Please note who is speaking.

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”


6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant


Mind you, The Lord relates keeping the Sabbath as doing justice and righteousness which is the foundation of His throne Psa 89:14 and relates those who defile (break) the Sabbath as doing evil. He relates the Sabbath as those who join themselves to Him, to love and serve Him. Seems like an easy choice for those who love and want to serve Him.

As I've said several times now, Paul acted like a Jew so as to win the Jews.

Did he act a different way with the Gentiles when they begged for more gospel preaching the next Sabbath. Did Paul tell them that's for Jews only? Lets find out...

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Which they continued every Sabbath with both Jews and Gentiles alike because God's people keep God's commandments Rev 14:12 His version, not ours.

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

But he proclaimed that he was personally free from any obligation under the Law of Moses. He did not want cultural issues to inhibit his attempt to reach his fellow Jews with the Gospel. To Paul, cultural issues, such as Sabbath observance or the eating of meat offerred to idols, was a distraction.

Paul was freed so he can now worship other gods, from stealing, a murdering, freed from doing righteousness and justice. I can't find these words the Sabbath observance was a distraction to Paul. So now we are claiming to read the mind and thoughts of Paul. I am pretty sure only God can do that.

They do so to assert the continued morality of our life in Christ, which was modeled after the Ten Commandments. Christ's life was also the *fulfillment* of the 10 Commandments.

Fulfilled in keeping and showing one how to keep, not fulfilled in He didn't murder someone so now we can. Obviously they do not mean what you claim they do as they guard the entrance to heaven Rev 22:14-15 just as we are told Ecc12:13-14 James 2:11-12 Rev 11:18-19 John 12:48

I've read it and explained it. OT language was used in the OT period in order not to discourage continued respect for the Law. But Sabbath to Sabbath simply means Week to Week.

It means week to week on the Sabbath, not sure why one would remove that word from what God said Isa 66:22-23

I also do not see your reasoning in the Text.


Isa 56:6
“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

Which Jesus quoted Mat 21:13 why we see both Jews and Gentiles keeping every Sabbath as predicted Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4


The New Heaven and New Earth after Jesus returns is not just for Jews, its for the saved.


Isa 66:22 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

For those who wish to lay aside the commandment of God Mark 7:7-13, which the Sabbath is according to God Exo20:6 Exo 20:8-11, and will continue on for His saints in the New Heaven and New Earth, if people are so opposed to it now, will they be happy in heaven. Why I believe His judgement will be one of love. Not everyone will be happy in heaven and God gives people over to their own will. 2 Thess 2:11-12

 

[fhansen]

Think carefully. Is the law He puts in our minds the whole of the Jewish law?

Augustine put it this way:
"God wrote on tablets of stone that which man failed to read in his heart."

The law is already written inside of us, which is why sin is possible, because we should know better. But it's dimmed down, obscured, overridden by the Fall, by our separation from the Creator and His authority over us. And that law is the same that Jesus and Paul reference specifically when telling us what we must do or when describing the revealed righteousness that is correct in itself even if it cannot cause us to be correct: the decalogue.

 

[Hentenza]

BobRyan said: Turns out we are also supposed to "Love GOD with all our heart" Deut 6:5, Matt 22.

Not true.

In Matt 22 Jesus is quoting from the OT text and His audience admits it.

Exegesis matters.

34 But when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered themselves together. 35 One of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the great and foremost commandment. 39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”

It is very clear that Jesus gave the same answer from the Law of Moses that the Jews already admitted to being the case.

LUKE 10:

25 And behold, a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this and you will live.” 29 But wanting to justify himself, he said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”


Just as the Jews already admit as we saw in Luke 10 above.

They never argue that Lev 19:18 deletes God's Law,

1. Yes exegesis matters and your exegesis is lacking. Exegesis as part of proper hermeneutics requires the determination of who the audience is and what the purpose of the author was. In both of these you failed.

First, the audience here is the Pharisees and sadducees. They were trying to trap Jesus into violating the law by His teachings. Historically Jesus, at this stage, was still preaching solely to the Jews. Here He is teaching them that their understanding is flawed using the OT scriptures to prove them wrong. That He did.

Second, this is the precursor to the actual giving of the two commandments and the fulfillment of the laws in the days yo come. Jesus asks them who they think who His father is and they say David but then He gives them an argument from the title of Lord. Jesus is the Lord and will be the only person that could/did keep the law perfectly.

Third, your Strawman continues. No one here is arguing that the law was deleted. This is a typical fallacy by those that push legalism.

That is the opposite teaching from what we find in scripture, in places like Romans 8. Your statement above merely quotes "you"

by contrast actual scripture says

Rom 8:
, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,

Are you reading your own posts?

Rom 8 identifies the lost as "hostile toward God" not "subjecting themselves to the LAW of God".

But you just told me that exegesis is important.

“Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who are in accord with the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are in accord with the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.”
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Romans 8:1-8 Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law c | New American Standard Bible - NASB

Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law c

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Paul just calls the law weak and ineffective and now you are saying that he wants us to keep the law? Are you or me of the flesh? Is Paul bipolar? Your interpretation is obviously flawed.

Rom 7 quotes from the TEN "do not covet" pointing to it as in the LAW of God and stating that violation of that Ten Commandment Law "is sin"
Just as we see in Rom 13, and Eph 6:1-2 and in James 2.

Rom 8 not only has Christ fulfilling the Law but ALSO has each one of us doing it by the Spirit , rather than ignoring it.

So then "do not take God's name in vain" fulfilled (complied with) not just in the life of Christ but also the walk of the saints.

"do not take God's name in vain" is only weak and ineffective in the life of the one that is not born again. Paul points to the saints in Rom 8 as in compliance, in harmony with God's Law and not at all at war with it.

Not even remotely.

IT shows as John states in 1 John 2
3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5 but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: 6 the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

exactly


exactly my point

The rest of these have already been addressed. The commandments referred to in 1 John 2 are the two commandments if Jesus not the 613 laws if the Mosaic law.

Let me ask you something. Your group believes that the 4th commandment is a moral commandment so those that do not follow it are sinning. If that is the case then we must repent of sin otherwise our salvation is in question. Is the salvation of the great majority of Christians that worship on Sunday in jeopardy? Are the majority of Christians living in sin?

 

[Hentenza]

Augustine put it this way:
"God wrote on tablets of stone that which man failed to read in his heart."

The law is already written inside of us, which is why sin is possible, because we should know better. But it's dimmed down, obscured, overridden by the Fall, by our separation from the Creator and His authority over us. And that law is the same that Jesus and Paul reference specifically when telling us what we must do or when describing the revealed righteousness that is correct in itself even if it cannot cause us to be correct: the decalogue.

So you choose which commandments of the tablet of 10 to follow then because, for one, you or your church do not keep the 4th commandment. I warned you to be careful of your answer but you were not.

 

[Studyman]

Not sure what you mean here, but animal sacrifices for sin go way back before the Torah became The Law.

The Hebrew word for "LAW" is "תּוֹרָה", "towrah". This means that you just said;

"Not sure what you mean here, but animal sacrifices for sin go way back before God's Law became God's Law."

That doesn't make much sense.

️ 1. Genesis 3:21 – God clothing Adam and Eve​

Meaning:
This is not explicitly called a sacrifice, but the implication is that an animal was slain to cover their shame and nakedness — a symbolic picture of atonement and covering for sin (compare “atonement” = kaphar, “to cover”).
However, this is God’s act, not a commanded sacrifice by humans.

21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.


Nevertheless, there was No Commandment of God for man to kill animals "because of their transgressions". This command wasn't "ADDED" to God's LAWS until 430 years after Abraham, at least this is what Paul and the Holy Prophets teach.

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2. Genesis 4:3–5 – Cain and Abel’s offerings​

Meaning:
This is the first recorded animal offering by a human.
While the text doesn’t explicitly say it was for sin, Hebrews 11:4 gives commentary:

4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying "of his gifts": and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Yes, it wasn't an offering Commanded by God "because of their Transgressions", which is the entire premise of your reply. It was a free will offering to God out of respect and honor towards God.

Prov. 3: 9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase: 10 So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.

This suggests Abel’s sacrifice was accepted because of faith in God’s provision for sin — a substitutionary offering, prefiguring later sin offerings.
Still, no law or priesthood existed here; it’s voluntary worship, not an atonement system.

There was no Commandment from God that they should kill goats, "because of their Transgressions". The AI teaching here doesn't mention that Cain gave a free will offering to God, same as Abel, but it wasn't the best of his increase. I think you have missed the entire point of the Scripture in your attempt to defend and justify the religious philosophy that God's entire Law wasn't "ADDED" until AFTER Transgressions.

3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. 4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

Rom. 12: 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that "ye present your bodies" a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Isn't this the real difference between Cain and Abel?

3. Genesis 8:20–21 – Noah’s burnt offerings after the Flood​

Meaning:
Burnt offerings (olah) were acts of devotion and thanksgiving.
Verse 21 says, “The Lord smelled a sweet savour,” and in response, promised never again to curse the ground.
This shows divine acceptance, but again, it’s not explicitly a sin offering for atonement — more a dedication or thanksgiving offering.

Yes, a free will offering to God for His Mercy and promises. And to Ratify a covenant God made with Noah, just as Moses in the Ex. 24 verse you referenced that I posted for our discussion and in the hope that you might answer questions asked of you, concerning the teaching you are furthering. There is no mention of a Commandment of God to kill animals, "because of his transgressions". You are making my point for me.

️ 4. Genesis 15:9–10 – Abram’s covenant sacrifice​

Meaning:
These animals were cut in two as part of the covenant ceremony between God and Abram.
This was not for sin, but to ratify God’s covenant promise to give Abram descendants and land.

I think you should read the entire story. And yes, it wasn't about killing animals for the remission of Abraham's sin.

5. Genesis 22:13 – Abraham and Isaac​

Meaning:
This was a substitutionary sacrifice — the ram died in place of Isaac.
It foreshadows substitutionary atonement (Christ, the true Lamb of God), but it was not a sin offering under law — it was an act of obedience and faith.

Yes, it was not about Abraham sacrificing Isaac "because of his transgressions". The command by God to kill animals "because of transgressions" was not "ADDED" to God's Laws, Statutes, Commandments and Judgments Abraham obeyed, until 430 years after Abraham.

Again, you are making the point Paul was making. The "LAW" that was ADDED, "Because of Transgressions", wasn't added until after the Golden Calf.

️ 6. Exodus 10:25 – Moses before the Exodus​

Meaning:
Before Sinai, Moses acknowledges that sacrifices were part of Hebrew worship, but still, no system for sin atonement or priesthood yet existed.
These were likely peace or burnt offerings, expressing devotion to God, not Levitical sin offerings.

Yes, God's Laws existed which defined sin, and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel) lived by them, and free will offerings to God were offered as expressions of Love and respect for their King. But Israel lost sight of them, and sent Moses to show them once again.

But the "LAW" concerning burnt offering and sacrifices "because of transgressions", (Sin) wasn't "ADDED until after Israel broke God's Covenant, and Moses went up the 2nd Time to secure another Covenant.

This is the "LAW" Paul was speaking to, that the required Jews to come to "them" for atonement, and not to Jesus. Paul is telling them that the very reason this "ADDED" Law was given, was to lead them to their True High Priest, the Lamb of God.

The deceiver would have you and I believe that "ALL" of God's Laws defining sin, righteousness, holiness, judgments etc.,, given to Moses, were not given until after Transgressions. But this deception is stupid, given that their is NO Transgression, without LAW.

7. Job 1:5; 42:8 – Job’s burnt offerings​

Meaning:
These are the clearest examples before Moses of animal sacrifices being used in relation to sin.
But notice:

• There’s still no written command or priesthood; Job acts as his family’s priest.
• God accepts the offerings (Job 42:9).

This shows a principle of substitutionary atonement known by the patriarchs, but not yet codified in the Mosaic Law.

Remember, we are arguing about what "LAW" was ADDED "because of Transgressions" that the Pharisees were still promoting to the Galatians.

A Law that was to Lead them to their Prophesied, True High Priest. A "Law" that wasn't "ADDED" until 430 years after Abraham.

This World's religious system, and by extension you, because you promote the same philosophy, is that this "LAW" was the entire Law of God, made known to the world through Moses, His Chosen Servant, through the Law and Prophets. And you specifically stated the LAW can not be "parsed", meaning that if I Love the Lord my God with all my heart, I must also kill a goat "because of my transgressions" or I am not obeying God. I tried to show you how the "Priesthood", unlike God's Judgments and Commandments, was temporary from it's conception. And was Prophesied to end. While God's Laws defining sin, righteousness, clean, holy and just, are eternal.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Its been asked where is the commandment for keeping the Sabbath. While there is no Scripture that says the Sabbath commandment has been abrogated, which is what I personally would be concerned with, but sin is not just breaking God's laws 1John3:4 James2:10-11, it is anything that is not of faith.

Like God writing an unbiblical number in the NC of 9 commandments, when God clearly wrote Ten Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 , iconically forgetting the only commandment God said Remember and that identifies the God of the other 9 commandments Exo 20:11

But lets look at the OT Prophecies and how they came true in the New Covenant. By the way the New Covenant means New Testament, Jesus lived in the New Covenant and ratified His covenant by His blood at the Cross. Nothing can be added after His death.


Isa 56:6
“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

This prophecy is bringing Gentiles into God's covenant and part of God's house of prayer .

Jesus referred back to this prophecy and referred to His house of prayer as His temple.

Matthew 21:13 – “And He said to them, ‘It is written, “My house shall be called a house of prayer,” but you have made it a den of thieves.’”

Why we see both Jews and Gentiles as predicted going to Gods house of prayer for worship every Sabbath


Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

The Sabbath was not just for Jews, Gentiles are grafted into God's covenant those who want to join themselves to the Lord, to love His name (Him) and serve Him. There was always a provision for Gentiles in the Sabbath commandment Exo 20:8-11 as the Sabbath was made for mankind Mark2:27 and was always God's perfect plan before sin Exo 20:11 Gen2:1-3


The Sabbath holy convocation Lev 23:3 that God made for all nations does not end on this earth- it continues for eternity Isa 66:22-23

The Sabbath relates to God's Identity as the Creator Exo 20:11 the Sanctifier Eze 20:12 shows we are God's people Eze 20:20 what we are called back to in the last days to worship this God Rev 14:7 Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3

 

[Hentenza]

Its been asked where is the commandment for keeping the Sabbath. While there is no Scripture that says the Sabbath commandment has been abrogated, which is what I personally would be concerned with, but sin is not just breaking God's laws 1John3:4 James2:10-11, it is anything that is not of faith.

Like God writing an unbiblical number in the NC of 9 commandments, when God clearly wrote Ten Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 , iconically forgetting the only commandment God said Remember and that identifies the God of the other 9 commandments Exo 20:11

But lets look at the OT Prophecies and how they came true in the New Covenant. By the way the New Covenant means New Testament, Jesus lived in the New Covenant and ratified His covenant by His blood at the Cross. Nothing can be added after His death.


Isa 56:6
“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

This prophecy is bringing Gentiles into God's covenant and part of God's house of prayer .

Jesus referred back to this prophecy and referred to His house of prayer as His temple.

Matthew 21:13 – “And He said to them, ‘It is written, “My house shall be called a house of prayer,” but you have made it a den of thieves.’”

Why we see both Jews and Gentiles as predicted going to Gods house of prayer for worship every Sabbath


Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

The Sabbath was not just for Jews, Gentiles are grafted into God's covenant those who want to join themselves to the Lord, to love His name (Him) and serve Him. There was always a provision for Gentiles in the Sabbath commandments Exo 20:8-11 and the Sabbath was made for mankind Mark2:27 and was always God's perfect plan before sin Exo 20:11 Gen2:1-3


The Sabbath holy convocation Lev 23:3 that God made for all nations does not end on this earth- it continues for eternity Isa 66:22-23

The Sabbath relates to God's Identity as the Creator Exo 20:11 the Sanctifier Eze 20:12 shows we are God's people Eze 20:20 what we are called back to in the last days to worship this God Rev 14:7 Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3

You continue to preach legalism. I have already addressed every single one of the verses that you posted here. And I will again caution you about judging your fellow Christian by posting verses that are directed at non believers. This is a typical tactic of legalists to control the emotions of their adherents and those that they disagree with. You have some gall to call professed Christians transgressors of the law simply because we don’t agree with your church’s legalistic interpretation. The next time that you direct one of those verses at me I am going to report your post for flaming.

With that said, the law has always pointed to Jesus Christ. Christ has already accomplished the purpose for which the law was given. As a result, all who believe in him are made right with God (Rom. 10:4). The Law of Moses is something believers are incapable of keeping (Gal, 3:10). We cannot meet the demands of the law in our own power (Gal. 3:24; Rom. 8:4; Rom 10:4). Our Savior, the Lord Jesus, fulfilled the law perfectly and provided His righteousness in exchange for our sin (see Matt 5:17).

Jesus us our Sabbath rest and the Lord of the Sabbath. Jesus is God and is perfectly capable and has the authority to change the commandments as He pleases. The 4th commandment does NOT apply to the Christian. I showed you these verses but you just ignore them or just arbitrarily say that they don’t apply. And yet, if it was THAT important that it can even cause the believer their salvation, you should be able to provide a post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to follow the 4th commandment. You can’t present one because there simply is not one. The legalistic theologians of your church are teaching error.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You continue to preach legalism.

Obeying God through love and faith is not legalism. Sorry you feel this way, but Jesus said If you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15 the same thing when He wrote His laws Exo 20:6

Disobedience to the law of God makes one an enmity to God, Rom 8:7-8

I have already addressed every single one of the verses that you posted here. And I will again caution you about judging your fellow Christian by posting verses that are directed at non believers. This is a typical tactic of legalists to control the emotions of their adherents and those that they disagree with. You have some gall to call professed Christians transgressors of the law simply because we don’t agree with your church’s legalistic interpretation. The next time that you direct one of those verses at me I am going to report your post for flaming.

You gave your opinion which is not the same as Scripture. I have never used my opinion on what is sin the Scripture shows what sin is 1John3:4 James 2:10-12 if you want to report me because you find this inconvenient, it still doesn't change these Biblical facts. The rules of this forum say to address the post, not the poster. I do my best to stick with what the Scripture states, even if this same curtsey is not extended.

With that said, the law has always pointed to Jesus Christ. Christ has already accomplished the purpose for which the law was given. As a result, all who believe in him are made right with God (Rom. 10:4). The Law of Moses is something believers are incapable of keeping (Gal, 3:10). We cannot meet the demands of the law in our own power (Gal. 3:24; Rom. 8:4; Rom 10:4). Our Savior, the Lord Jesus, fulfilled the law perfectly and provided His righteousness in exchange for our sin (see Matt 5:17).

The Ten Commandants is not the Law of Moses, it predates Moses Exo 20:11 at least that's what God said. Deut 4:13 Exo 20:6 Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16

Jesus us our Sabbath rest and the Lord of the Sabbath.

Jesus is the rest giver, not the 4th commandment. The Sabbath is something man does Isa 56:2 Exo 20:8-11

Jesus is God and is perfectly capable and has the authority to change the commandments as He pleases.

God does not change, God promised His would not alter His covenant Psa 89:34, not a jot or tittle. Mat 5:18 God said His times and laws Dan 7:25 which is what the Sabbath is every seventh day (time) Exo 20:10 the 4th commandment (law) Exo 20:8-11 would be changed, not by God but by man and we see a clear history of this. Why God is calling His people out of their rebellion and sin before its too late Heb3:7-19 Rev 18:4 Rev 22:11 and back to worshipping the God of Creation Exo 20:11 Rev 14:7

The 4th commandment does NOT apply to the Christian.

Says no Scripture, Jesus said - He is where my faith is in, not the words of man that we may be cheated Col2:8

Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

 

[Clare73]

Yes, God draws and enables us, not the other way around. That's ancient church teaching.

No doubt that the elect are the elect-and they will come-and persevere.

Yes, whoever they may be. God knows with perfect certainty while man may think they're His, but are not.

Good for God. . .he knows who are the elect.

 

[Hentenza]

Obeying God through love and faith is not legalism. Sorry you feel this way, but Jesus said If you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15 the same thing when He wrote His laws Exo 20:6

All of the law and the prophets rests on the love commandments of Jesus not on the Mosaic law.

Disobedience to the law of God makes one an enmity to God, Rom 8:7-8

So you don’t disobey since you have to keep the law as you preach the law. Your church’s interpretation and yours by default are your own and the majority of professed Christians do not share it.

You gave your opinion which is not the same as Scripture.

I gave you scripture that you don’t like. Can’t help that.

I have never used my opinion on what is sin the Scripture shows what sin is 1John3:4 James 2:10-12 if you want to report me because you find this inconvenient, it still doesn't change these Biblical facts. The rules of this forum say to address the post, not the poster. I do my best to stick with what the Scripture states.

You use your opinion by condemning those that don’t share your opinion or interpretation. By calling others apostates because they don’t believe as you do you are not addressing the post but insulting the poster. This is flaming.

The Ten Commandants is not the Law of Moses at least that's what God said. I am not sure why I should believe man over God. Deut 4:13 Exo 20:6 Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16

The Ten Commandments are part of the law if Moses. That is the way that it always was and still is with Israel. You can’t just separate the two.

Jesus is the rest giver, not the 4th commandment. The Sabbath is something man does Isa 56:2 Exo 20:8-11

Jesus fulfilled the sabbath into Himself. He is our rest not the Mosaic law.

God does not change,

God completely changed the covenant. The first covenant is not the same as the new covenant. God can change His covenant at His pleasure. Don’t put limitations on God.

God promised His would not alter His covenant Psa 89:34, not a jot or tittle. Mat 5:18 God said His times and laws Dan 7:25 which is what the Sabbath is every seventh day (time) Exo 20:10 the 4th commandment (law) Exo 20:8-11 would be changed, not by God but by man and we see a clear history of this. Why God is calling His people out of their rebellion and sin before its too late Heb3:7-19 Rev 18:4 Rev 22:11 and back to worshipping the God of Creation Exo 20:11 Rev 14:7

Of course you avoided the verses that teaches otherwise. He did change it and now there is a new one.

“When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8‬:‭13‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 8:13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear.

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Says no Scripture, Jesus said - He is where my faith is in, not the words of man that we may be cheated Col2:8

Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

He now has a house of prayer for all nations. Is called the church.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

All of the law and the prophets rests on the love commandments of Jesus not on the Mosaic law.

So you don’t disobey since you have to keep the law as you preach the law. Your church’s interpretation and yours by default are your own and the majority of professed Christians do not share it.

I gave you scripture that you don’t like. Can’t help that.

You use your opinion by condemning those that don’t share your opinion or interpretation. By calling others apostates because they don’t believe as you do you are not addressing the post but insulting the poster. This is flaming.

The Ten Commandments are part of the law if Moses. That is the way that it always was and still is with Israel. You can’t just separate the two.

Jesus fulfilled the sabbath into Himself. He is our rest not the Mosaic law.


God completely changed the covenant. The first covenant is not the same as the new covenant. God can change His covenant at His pleasure. Don’t put limitations on God.

Of course you avoided the verses that teaches otherwise. He did change it and now there is a new one.

“When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8‬:‭13‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 8:13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear.

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The old convent is obsolete. He wrote a New Covenant having His laws going from written on stone to written on the heart 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10, the location changed, not the words Psa 89:34 why the NC is established on better promises Heb8:6

He now has a house of prayer for all nations. Is called the church.

Yes, I agree. Why we see the apostles and Gentiles doing as such decades after the Cross Acrs 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 and continues on for eternity Isa 66:22-23

 

[Hentenza]

The old convent is obsolete. He wrote a New Covenant having His laws going from written on stone to written on the heart 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10, the location changed, not the words Psa 89:34 why the NC is established on better promises Heb8:6

The new covenant mentioned in Heb. 8 was given to the House of Israel NOT to the gentiles. We keep going over this. The verse is clear.

““For this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel After those days, declares the Lord: I will put My laws into their minds, And write them on their hearts. And I will be their God, And they shall be My people.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8‬:‭10‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 8:10 “FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT WHICH I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, DECLARES THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS. AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, | New American Standard Bible - NASB

“FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT WHICH I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, DECLARES THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS. AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD,

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