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Political violence is now an existential threat to America's system of gov't

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“You might want to stay back and call the federales, I have explosives,” warned a man occupying a green tent on the steps of St. Matthew’s Cathedral in Washington, D.C. It was roughly 6:00 a.m. on Sunday, October 5 (roughly an hour before sunrise), and officers from the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) had arrived to secure the area before the cathedral’s annual “Red Mass,” an invocation service for the U.S. Supreme Court’s fall term, which some justices historically attend.

When an officer from the MPD bomb squad told the man he had to move because of a special event (the “Red Mass”), the man replied, “I’m aware of that,” but he refused to budge.

The man, 41-year-old Louis Geri, threatened to throw a bomb into the street, claiming, “I have a hundred-plus of them.” Thus, he created a pre-dawn stand-off with law enforcement officers. When the police said they would remove him forcibly, Geri threatened that “several of your people are gonna die from one of these.”

Geri then handed over a nine-page manifesto, which “revealed his significant animosity towards the Catholic church, members of the Jewish faith, members of SCOTUS and ICE/ ICE facilities,” police said. As he handed over the pages, Geri flicked on a butane lighter with his other hand, warning, “You [had] better have these people step away, or there’s going to be deaths.”

Fortunately, Geri’s threats of destruction came to an anticlimactic resolution when he was betrayed by his own bladder. When he left his tent to urinate on a tree, three officers apprehended him without incident.

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“You might want to stay back and call the federales, I have explosives,” warned a man occupying a green tent on the steps of St. Matthew’s Cathedral in Washington, D.C. It was roughly 6:00 a.m. on Sunday, October 5 (roughly an hour before sunrise), and officers from the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) had arrived to secure the area before the cathedral’s annual “Red Mass,” an invocation service for the U.S. Supreme Court’s fall term, which some justices historically attend.

When an officer from the MPD bomb squad told the man he had to move because of a special event (the “Red Mass”), the man replied, “I’m aware of that,” but he refused to budge.

The man, 41-year-old Louis Geri, threatened to throw a bomb into the street, claiming, “I have a hundred-plus of them.” Thus, he created a pre-dawn stand-off with law enforcement officers. When the police said they would remove him forcibly, Geri threatened that “several of your people are gonna die from one of these.”

Geri then handed over a nine-page manifesto, which “revealed his significant animosity towards the Catholic church, members of the Jewish faith, members of SCOTUS and ICE/ ICE facilities,” police said. As he handed over the pages, Geri flicked on a butane lighter with his other hand, warning, “You [had] better have these people step away, or there’s going to be deaths.”

Fortunately, Geri’s threats of destruction came to an anticlimactic resolution when he was betrayed by his own bladder. When he left his tent to urinate on a tree, three officers apprehended him without incident.

Continued below.
To me is it not a surprise that there is more political violence. That usually happens when people are repressed. America has a history of this, the nation was birthed in violence first against the British, then against the Native Americans. Later there were "range wars," between farmers and ranchers. In 1920, the Wall Street bombing occurred. Wall Street bombing - Wikipedia
Race riots, The West Virginia Coal Wars, (also mostly in the 1920s).
Just like these and other instances, people were marginalized. Often too, the government is in part responsible.

So there really are two ongoing conflicts that raise their heads in the history of the USA. (Sometimes issues like immigration or slavery have both economic and moral issues involved.)

The moral conflict, - The contemporary GOP has much of this right but fails in those who really are racist and arrogant in how they present and carry out their agenda. In earlier days it was many of the democrats that supported racism.

The economic conflict. - The democrats have some of this right in their concern for the poor and needy but they often go too far, neglecting responsibility of the recipients and creating some programs that are deny individual responsibility.

In both cases, the government's response (many individual's too) is often too aggressive and causing too much unneeded friction. Policies too are poorly conceived, sometimes unconstitutional, and even vengeful. I am not just talking about Trump either.

I do not think it is just the USA. Here we see conflict in Brussels just this week and other parts of the EU as well.

An example of political violence centered on mainly on economics recently was the United Health's CEO's murder.

An example from the moral side was Charlie Kirk's murder.
 
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Fortunately, Geri’s threats of destruction came to an anticlimactic resolution when he was betrayed by his own bladder. When he left his tent to urinate on a tree, three officers apprehended him without incident.
Sorry to laugh at a mostly serious story but the last paragraph is hilarious.
 
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