AI understands the Sabbath and Col 2:16

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Scripture please.

(CLV) Lv 25:2
Speak to the sons of Israel, and you will say to them: When you |come into the land that I am giving to you, the land will pause for a sabbath to Yahweh.

It served as the same purpose.

YHWH gave ver specific instructions for the construction of the tent of meeting. How can the temple be the same and not meet those specifications?

If you want to continue animal offerings despite Heb 10:1-1- Heb 9:10-15 Col 2:14-17 that's your choice.

Paul did at James' (The highest authority on earth after Yahshua's ascension) instruction.

Did James and Paul have it all wrong?

If you want to continue animal offerings despite Heb 10:1-1- Heb 9:10-15 Col 2:14-17 that's your choice.

You still have yet to point out where any of those verses. say what you are asserting that they say.

I suspect that I know why; because I know that they don't.

Romans 12:1 12 I beseech[a] you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice

How does that verse fit in with your previous assertion?

Is that sacrifice not a sacrifice?

• Rev 5:8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
• Rev 8:3 Then another angel, having a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 4 And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, ascended before God from the angel’s hand.

I already provided scripture that demonstrated that the sacrifices will never end, even in the kingdom to come.

(CLV) Isa 56:7
I will bring them also to My holy mountain And make them rejoice in My house of prayer; Their ascent offerings and their sacrifices They shall offer up for acceptance on My altar, For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.

(CLV) Isa 56:8
Averring is my Lord Yahweh, Convener of the expelled of Israel: I shall convene more to him besides those being convened to him.


(CLV) Jer 33:18
As for the Levitical priests there shall not be cut off a man from before Me who offers up the ascent offering and fumes the approach present and offers sacrifices for all the days.

BTW, the Kingdom to come has not yet been fulfilled. See Yom Teruah, Yom Kippur, and Sukkot.

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered?

Exactly! Do you not understand what this verse this verse means?

Blood sacrifices were not even required for sin. Flour or even money would do, When the Hebrews were swept off to Babylon, all that they needed to do is repent. That means obey the Torah.

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,

That's right. The message has been the same form the beginning. The prophets came with the same message. John the Baptist came with the same message. Yahshua came with the same message.

"Obey."

10 By that will we have been [c]sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Sanctified = holy = Kadosh (dedicated in Hebrew.)

Do you believe that you can reject Yah's word and remain Kadosh?

1 Cor 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.

Do you honor Yah's Passover in remembrance of how Yah delivered us from bondage as Yah instructs (forever as Yah instructs); and in remembrance of Yah's (Ya) salvation (shua) as Yashua instructed?

Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of THE LAW to fall. ~Yahshua

Jesus ended all sacrifices,

That is not what I have repeatedly pointed out with scripture, verbatim. (Not man made dogma)

 

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In other words, these ceremonial laws pointed forward to Christ and found their fulfillment in Him.

Yah's word makes no distinction for ceremonial law. That's man made dogma; and dogma was nailed to the pale with Messiah.

The torah is the torah.

That said the 7th day shabbat is no less a ceremony than any other of Yah's shabbats.

 

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(CLV) Lv 25:2
Speak to the sons of Israel, and you will say to them: When you |come into the land that I am giving to you, the land will pause for a sabbath to Yahweh.

YHWH gave ver specific instructions for the construction of the tent of meeting. How can the temple be the same and not meet those specifications?

Sorry that is not Scripture stating the temple from Solomon was made in a different pattern than the temple in the wilderness. I asked for Scripture Lv25:2 is not addressing this at all.

 

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Yah's word makes no distinction for ceremonial law. That's man made dogma; and dogma was nailed to the pale with Messiah.

The torah is the torah.

That said the 7th day shabbat is no less a ceremony than any other of Yah's shabbats.

The weekly Sabbath started before the fall, where all was made according to God’s perfect plan Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3 the annual sabbaths feasts days were added after the fall. Not the same, the annuals sabbaths would have never been in existence unless there was sin. That says everything, it was something added, pointing forward to Jesus. The Sabbath commandment stands on a whole other foundation Exo 20:11 written in stone by God of the Universe , not a human being. I do not believe we will be killing lambs for Passover in the New Earth and New Heaven. Jesus said no more death. Rev 21:4 because it was fulfilled in Christ. But the Sabbath continues Isa 66:22-23 because it reverts back to God’s perfect plan before sin hijacked this world.

 

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Sorry that is not Scripture stating the temple from Solomon was made in a different pattern than the temple in the wilderness. I asked for Scripture Lv25:2 is not addressing this at all.

You might do well and go back and read my assertion that you asked me to back up with scripture.

However here is just one example for what you are specifically asking for now:

(CLV) Ex 27:9
You will make »he court of the tabernacle: For the Negeb edge southward the slung-sheets for the court shall be of corded cambric, a hundred cubits long for the one edge,

(CLV) Ex 27:10
with its twenty columns and their twenty copper sockets, the hooks of the columns and their connections of silver.

 

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You might do well and go back and read my assertion that you asked me to back up with scripture.

However here is just one example for what you are specifically asking for now:

(CLV) Ex 27:9
You will make »he court of the tabernacle: For the Negeb edge southward the slung-sheets for the court shall be of corded cambric, a hundred cubits long for the one edge,

(CLV) Ex 27:10
with its twenty columns and their twenty copper sockets, the hooks of the columns and their connections of silver.

Please show me where Solomons temple was made according to a different pattern.

 

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the annual sabbaths feasts days were added after the fall.

Proof?

Not the same, the annuals sabbaths would have never been in existence unless there was sin.

The moedim reveal Yah's plan form the beginning. They reveal Yashua who was there in the beginning. Are you saying that Yahshua would never have existed if it weren't for sin?

 

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Please show me where Solomons temple was made according to a different pattern.

Wow! Please show me where Solomon's temple was a tent made out of wood and skins, and fabric.

 

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Wow! Please show me where Solomon's temple was a tent made out of wood and skins, and fabric.

Moses made the tabernacle according to the pattern God gave Him modeled in heaven Heb 8:1-5. Why would God not make all of His earthy temples modeled after the heavenly Temple.

Can you show me from Scripture where Solomons temple was made according to a different pattern?

 

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Proof?

The moedim reveal Yah's plan form the beginning. They reveal Yashua who was there in the beginning. Are you saying that Yahshua would never have existed if it weren't for sin?

You would need to prove that God’s perfect plan before sin included killing innocent lambs. That was a result of sin. There is nothing that speaks of annuals feast days and annual sabbaths at Creation, you made the claim, you need to provide the Scripture. God made THE Sabbath day, Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3 at Creation, He speaks nothing about annuals sabbaths and feasts days until after the fall.

 

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Moses made the tabernacle according to the pattern God gave Him modeled in heaven Heb 8:1-4.

Can you show me from Scripture where Solomons temple was made according to a different pattern?

Moses was given very specific detailed instructions on how to build the tabernacle. Solomon's temple did no meet the detail of those specifications. It was different. Do you think that it is OK to deviate from Yah's detailed instructions. Is strange fire OK?

 

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Moses was given very specific detailed instructions on how to build the tabernacle. Solomon's temple did no meet the detail of those specifications. It was different. Do you think that it is OK to deviate from Yah's detailed instructions. Is strange fire OK?

I asked for Scripture showing this. I asked three times, I give up. Be well.

 

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You would need to prove that God’s perfect plan before sin included killing innocent lambs. There is nothing that speaks of annuals feast days and annual sabbaths at Creation, you made the claim, you need to provide the Scripture.

There is nothing that speaks against murder in the garden; so how did Cain know that it was a sin?

Could it be that he learned it form Adam who walked with Yah in the garden; or that Ruach Ha'Kodesh had already written it on his heart?

Have you read Genesis 4?

 

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I asked for Scripture showing this. I asked three times, I give up. Be well.

I would encourage you to read of the dimensions and the building materials of both the tabernacle and the temple. The differences abound.

 

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There is nothing that speaks against murder in the garden; so how did Cain know that it was a sin?

Could it be that he learned it form Adam who walked with Yah in the garden?

Have you read Genesis 4?

What law says thou shalt not murder? The Ten Commandments Exo 20:1-17 the same law where God says the Sabbath started at Creation Exo 20:11. This doesn't help your case where Moses wrote the other laws like the annual sabbaths that came after the fall. The reason Cain knew it was sin to thou shalt not murder because they were told the Ten Commandments. No law, no sin Rom 4:15. This does not prove that lambs were killed at Creation or the annual sabbaths and feasts days existed before the fall. There is no. Passover or annual sabbaths or feast days in the Ten Commandments. Those were added after the fall.

 

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I would encourage you to read of the dimensions and the building materials of both the tabernacle and the temple. The differences abound.

Is the pattern different?

 

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The reason Cain knew it was sin to thou shalt not murder because they were told the Ten Commandments.

Can yo prove with scripture that they we given the torah of the ten words, and no other torah? Is so, which of the sets of ten words were they given; and where is your proof?

No law, no sin Rom 4:15

(CLV) Gn 4:3
And it came to |be fat the end of a year's days that Cain brought an approach present to Yahweh from the fruit of the ground.

Which Moedim call for a מנחה from fruit of the ground? That is not in either of the sets of the ten words.

This does not prove that lambs were killed at Creation or the annual sabbaths and feasts days existed before the fall.

(CLV) Gn 4:4
As for Abel however, he brought some firstlings of his flock and their fat portions. And Yahweh gave heed to Abel and his approach present ( מנחה often erroneously translated as sacrifice.).

Why would you assume that Cain's מנחה was not a lamb?

(CLV) Gn 4:7
If you had done what is well, would you not lift up your face? But since you have not done well, ›at the portal there is a sin (חטאת often erroneously translated as sacrifice) offering, a recliner; And for you is restoration in his sacrifice (This word doesn't exist in the hebrew manuscript); You are ruling over him.

So I ask once again, now that this discussion has digressed all over the place:

As the word sacrifice is used to translate many different Hebrew words; lets start with which word you mean.

 

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Is the pattern different?

I find some of the differences very puzzling.

These foe example:

(CLV) 1Ki 6:18
The cedar for the inside of the house had an embossing of colocynth gourds and open| up blossoms. It was all cedar; there was no stone to be seen.

(CLV) 1Ki 6:23
In the innermost sanctuary he made two cherubim of oil-tree wood, each ten cubits in its rise.

(CLV) 1Ki 6:27
He bestowed »the cherubim in the midst of the inner house, so that they |spread out the wings of the cherubim. The wing of the one |touched i the one sidewall, and the wing of the second •cherub was touching i the second sidewall, +while their wings were toward the midst of the house and touching wing to wing.

(CLV) 1Ki 6:32
The two doors were of oil-tree wood; he embossed on them embossings of cherubim, palm trees and open up blossoms; and he overlaid them with gold, hammering »the gold |down on the cherubim and on the palm trees.

(CLV) 1Ki 6:34
The two doors were of fir-tree wood: The two leaves of the one door on pivots, and the two leaves of the second door on pivots.

(CLV) 1Ki 6:35
He embossed on them cherubim, palm trees and open up blossoms and overlaid them with gold evenly over the delineation

Can you show me where these instructions were given for the creation of the tabernacle?

They were not.

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I find some of the differences very puzzling.

These foe example:

(CLV) 1Ki 6:18
The cedar for the inside of the house had an embossing of colocynth gourds and open| up blossoms. It was all cedar; there was no stone to be seen.

(CLV) 1Ki 6:23
In the innermost sanctuary he made two cherubim of oil-tree wood, each ten cubits in its rise.

(CLV) 1Ki 6:27
He bestowed »the cherubim in the midst of the inner house, so that they |spread out the wings of the cherubim. The wing of the one |touched i the one sidewall, and the wing of the second •cherub was touching i the second sidewall, +while their wings were toward the midst of the house and touching wing to wing.

(CLV) 1Ki 6:32
The two doors were of oil-tree wood; he embossed on them embossings of cherubim, palm trees and open up blossoms; and he overlaid them with gold, hammering »the gold |down on the cherubim and on the palm trees.

(CLV) 1Ki 6:34
The two doors were of fir-tree wood: The two leaves of the one door on pivots, and the two leaves of the second door on pivots.

(CLV) 1Ki 6:35
He embossed on them cherubim, palm trees and open up blossoms and overlaid them with gold evenly over the delineation

Can you show me where these instructions were given for the creation of the tabernacle?

They were not.

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I am referring to the pattern of the santuary, are they all different. If so please provide Scripture.

 

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I am referring to the pattern of the santuary, are they all different. If so please provide Scripture.

I'm referring to differences in the torah for inside and outside of the land; and I have given more than enough proof to support my claim.

If you are claiming that the tabernacle and the temple are the same; and that the instruction for atonement was the same in Babylonian captivity, as it was in the land; then the onus for proof rests with you.

(CLV) Ps 119:89
For the eon, O Yahweh, Your word is stationed in the heavens.

Yah's word is eternal; but it is situational.

For example women are not required to be circumcised as a sign that they are in covenant as with the Shabbat sign.

(CLV) Gn 17:11
Namely you will be circumcised »in the flesh of your foreskin; and this will be the covenant sign between Me and yourselves.

Commands to remember as a sign between Him and His people (Ezekiel 20:12, 20)

(CLV) Ex 31:13
Now you, speak to the sons of Israel saying-, Surely, My sabbaths shall you keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations to know that I am Yahweh, Who is hallowing you.