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Pope Leo says faith and love for migrants are connected

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"No Christian can regard the poor simply as a societal problem; they are part of our 'family,'" Leo writes. "They are "'one of us.'"

This is the part of the Christian ethos and fundamental command that MAGA cannot seem to hear.

Now how best to deal with “the poor”, the vulnerable, those seeking asylum and a life with hope, is a great challenge that requires collaboration and honest effort. Fixing broken social systems, immigration policy and procedures is a massive task. But it cannot even be started if the poor are not seen as one of us.
 
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Is that what you think the Pope meant by compassion?
It must be...because I doubt his stance is "allow them in, and let them be homeless in your country" -- He mentions that we should be welcoming every migrant, surely he would envision them having shelter and healthcare, correct?


He then drifts into critiques of our economic oversight and "trickle down" economics.


Which, many of us have critiqued trickle down economics... but we're not doing it claiming to speak for God, and we're not trying to do it from a position of faux authority that fancies itself as equals/peers with actual world governments.


When the Pope starts issuing his statements & edicts on things like marriage, abortion, and "whether or not women should have leadership positions", are the same people (who are happy about his proclamation on the topic of Migrants) going to still think he's a voice of authority and that we need to take his advice into account? or is this going to be one of those "Pick & Choose when to amplify the pope's message" sort of things like we see with every pope?
 
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It must be...because I doubt his stance is "allow them in, and let them be homeless in your country" -- He mentions that we should be welcoming every migrant, surely he would envision them having shelter and healthcare, correct?


He then drifts into critiques of our economic oversight and "trickle down" economics.


Which, many of us have critiqued trickle down economics... but we're not doing it claiming to speak for God, and we're not trying to do it from a position of faux authority that fancies itself as equals/peers with actual world governments.


When the Pope starts issuing his statements & edicts on things like marriage, abortion, and "whether or not women should have leadership positions", are the same people (who are happy about his proclamation on the topic of Migrants) going to still think he's a voice of authority and that we need to take his advice into account? or is this going to be one of those "Pick & Choose when to amplify the pope's message" sort of things like we see with every pope?
Can you not respond honestly to Akita's last post? He evidently understands the Pope's position better than you do.
 
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It's not against the law to treat immigrants with compassion.

Are you implying that America isn't a Christian nation?
It is law to deal with illegal aliens. No matter what you call them.
 
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It is law to deal with illegal aliens. No matter what you call them.
And? The Church's position is to treat all with compassion. That is not illegal but it is what Jesus called us to do.
 
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It is law to deal with illegal aliens. No matter what you call them.
Careless use of terms can lead to callous dehumanizing rhetoric. We have seen so much of that even among so calked Christians that we grow in-sensitized and accept it as normal. It does matter “what you call them” and how we deal with them follows.
 
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And? The Church's position is to treat all with compassion. That is not illegal but it is what Jesus called us to do.
As long as they obey the law of this country, as well as their own law regarding these things.
 
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Careless use of terms can lead to callous dehumanizing rhetoric. We have seen so much of that even among so calked Christians that we grow in-sensitized and accept it as normal. It does matter “what you call them” and how we deal with them follows.
It is not callous nor dehumanizing. It is an accurate term. It is not me applying wrong ideas to the terms. Liberals do this sort of thing all the time. Words mean things.
 
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It is not callous nor dehumanizing. It is an accurate term. It is not me applying wrong ideas to the terms. Liberals do this sort of thing all the time. Words mean things.
I am glad you agree that words mean something. So when Trump uses words like “animals” and “vermin” you do not approve.
 
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I am glad you agree that words mean something. So when Trump uses words like “animals” and “vermin” you do not approve.
That is for criminals. Yes, I approve of calling slave, sex, drug traffickers, and rapists and murderers as such.
 
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That is for criminals. Yes, I approve of calling slave, sex, drug traffickers, and rapists and murderers as such.
Like Trump’s friend Epstein? I wonder why he won’t let us see the unredacted files.
 
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And Clinton's friend, and many other politicians, and celebrities alike.
But now only Trump has control of the files, as well as the legislature and judiciary.
 
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5. Love for the Lord, then, is one with love for the poor. The same Jesus who tells us, “The poor you will always have with you” (Mt 26:11), also promises the disciples: “I am with you always” (Mt 28:20). We likewise think of his saying: “Just as you did it to one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did it to me” (Mt 25:40). This is not a matter of mere human kindness but a revelation: contact with those who are lowly and powerless is a fundamental way of encountering the Lord of history. In the poor, he continues to speak to us.


The poor and vulnerable give us the opportunity to love the Lord. That doesn’t mean “open borders”. But is does mean a sincere commitment to fix the processes. And that extends to every issue. Even “legal” citizens will be without adequate healthcare soon.
 
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Can you not respond honestly to Akita's last post? He evidently understands the Pope's position better than you do.
Which particular post are you referring to, and which part?

Are you referring to this one?
"No Christian can regard the poor simply as a societal problem; they are part of our 'family,'" Leo writes. "They are "'one of us.'"

This is the part of the Christian ethos and fundamental command that MAGA cannot seem to hear.

Now how best to deal with “the poor”, the vulnerable, those seeking asylum and a life with hope, is a great challenge that requires collaboration and honest effort. Fixing broken social systems, immigration policy and procedures is a massive task. But it cannot even be started if the poor are not seen as one of us.



My response would simply be the quite blunt:
"This is why religion and politics need to not be intertwined, and should stay in their own lanes".


Religious deals in the realm of the idealistic (and many times impractical)

Politics deals in the realm of pragmatic policy making.



And no nation's social fabric can withstand a large influx of people who are looking to come over purely for economic reasons (with no love for the culture or country they're moving to)

If you look at the contentious environments in some European countries surrounding the subject, that's pretty evident.

They followed the Pope's blueprint, now they have massive marches out in the streets with people demanding to un-do a lot of it.

Importation without any expectation of assimilation just doesn't work.

Especially when some actors in government (who want to appear to be "modern" and "woke") start prioritizing the "feelings" of the new arrivals over the citizens.

For instance, when people are told that flying their own nation's flag is "offensive"/"divisive"



And supporting mass migration, by its very nature, is an acknowledgement that not all cultures area equal...yet people don't seem to connect the dots.

If the cultures of the countries people were looking to escape were conducive to a flourishing society, then the people wouldn't wouldn't be looking to escape those countries in the first place.



To use a very simplistic example.

"Dave Jones" is looking to get out out of his country... the prevailing ideology of his country is that women shouldn't be allowed to get an education or work. That prevailing ideology has caused his home country to fall into economic ruin with widespread poverty and hunger.

Dave Jones wants to move a country that's more stable (economically), but still subscribes to that aforementioned ideology, and has no desire to change

A country (trying to be nice) offers to bring Dave (and hundreds of thousands of people like Dave) into their country in the name of humanitarianism. Now they have some cities in that country that are 30%+ people who think like Dave. -- and furthermore, are telling the native born citizens "Hey, you need to lay off that 'women should have employment rights' stuff...it's really offending the people like Dave"

Problem?
 
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