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No One Is Above The Law

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The House of Representatives have wasted tens of millions of dollars on this, coming up with nothing. Plus that, if Trump has immunity for too-many-to-count crimes during his terms, would that not also apply to Biden?
Only official acts as President qualify. I doubt illegal activity has immunity. Taking pay offs from foreign actors does not compare to legitimate disagreements over what documents a president can declassify.
 
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Trying to reinvestigate false Biden accusations takes energy away from other needed investigations.
Release the Epsteon files.
See post #6. We are yet to see the final chapter on the Biden family’s activities. I agree on the Epstein files but not for the same reasons as you. If Trump was implicated in illegal activity, the Biden administration would have released that.
 
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Who is fighting against the rule of law in this country today.

The Trump administration.

Who is committing that popular word “insurrection “ in Chicago and Portland among other places?

Nobody. I wouldn't say what ICE is doing is insurrection, it's weaponization of law enforcement against the American people for the express purpose of terror. The word here isn't insurrection, but State terrorism.

No, everyone on the left does not support violence but far too many do. Fetterman is one notable exception.

What is the purpose of this administration trying to paint people peacefully protesting the violent and unconstitutional actions of this administration as violent extremists? If not to justify violence against those same people, and incite violence against them?

At what point in this unlawful violation of Constitutionally protected rights and liberty are you willing to draw the line, or are you all in in whatever this administration says and does? Where is your moral backbone? At what point are you willing to finally become a person of conscience and refuse evil?

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The Trump administration
Wrong answer. Correct answer is liberal leadership, Portland, Chicago and LA right now are the chief offenders.
Nobody. I wouldn't say what ICE is doing is insurrection, it's weaponization of law enforcement against the American people for the express purpose of terror. The word here isn't insurrection, but State terrorism.
When one opposes the rule of law by violence, that is the very definition of insurrection. Attacks on ICE vehicles and agents is neither peaceful nor protected free speech.
What is the purpose of this administration trying to paint people peacefully protesting the violent and unconstitutional actions of this administration as violent extremists? If not to justify violence against those same people, and incite violence against them?
This is a twisted, backward view of the facts. Chunks of concrete hurled at ICE vehicles, commercial grade fire works fired at Federal Agents is not peaceful protest. It is anarchy and insurrection against the government. With paid rioters this is absolutely insurrection!
At what point in this unlawful violation of Constitutionally protected rights and liberty are you willing to draw the line, or are you all in in whatever this administration says and does? Where is your moral backbone? At what point are you willing to finally become a person of conscience and refuse evil?
I am all in on the rule of law and crushing anarchy in this nation. Apparently many are willing to support this EVIL, all out of an unnatural hatred of Trump. It is not a very becoming trait to question my conscience while supporting anarchy.
Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and goodevil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
 
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How many times have we heard “no one is above the law”from the previous administration. WELL the chickens have come home to roost. Watch this thread for updates pointing out those who are not above the law.
No one should be above the law but Trump doesn't agree with that. He thinks that he is.

This is the most corrupt administration that I've witnessed. Surpassing Reagan's. Hopefully, we will see many of Trump's people get what they deserve.
 
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No one should be above the law but Trump doesn't agree with that. He thinks that he is.
He is the Chief law enforcement officer and seems to be winning a lions share of appeals against lawless rogue judges. So I would grade the above statement as false.
This is the most corrupt administration that I've witnessed. Surpassing Reagan's. Hopefully, we will see many of Trump's people get what they deserve.
Were you out of the country during the Biden administration? You seem to have missed a lot of corruption.
 
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So you admit they are violent. Got it!
Yes, there has been some violence against ICE.
You need to explain and back this up.
Tyler Robinson was a conservative and the only reason some said that he "left leaning" was because he was in a gay relationship. Now, being gay doesn't make one left leaning just as owning guns makes one conservative.
Nope. True. Both people that tried to kill Trump were Republicans.
In today’s news cycle the left wins the violence award.
That's more your perception than fact.
 
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He is the Chief law enforcement officer and seems to be winning a lions share of appeals against lawless rogue judges.
Or, he winning some because he appointed corrupt judges. You know like criminals have done for years. Paying off corrupt police and judges to beat the system.
So I would grade the above statement as false.
No surprise but since we have Trump's own words, you're wrong again.
Were you out of the country during the Biden administration?
Nope, was you alive during the Reagan administration? Facts are facts.
You seem to have missed a lot of corruption.
No. I'm pretty up on corruption.
 
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Tyler Robinson was a conservative and the only reason some said that he "left leaning" was because he was in a gay relationship. Now, being gay doesn't make one left leaning just as owning guns makes one conservative.
You have no evidence Tyler identified as conservative. Family was conservative but that fact is irrelevant. He was registered unaffiliated.



  • Investigators say that in the year preceding the assassination of Charlie Kirk, Robinson had become more political and “started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro-LGBTQ rights–oriented.”


No, being gay does not by itself indicate one is liberal but murdering a top conservative says a lot more than one’s voter registration. Believe what you will but Tyler’s actions were not consistent with conservative values. So the facts show your claim to be false.
Nope. True. Both people that tried to kill Trump were Republicans.
Crooks was registered republican but that fact is also irrelevant. Crooks had in the past donated to a left leaning PAC. Routh originally registered Democrat and later registered unaffiliated. In 2024 he voted in the Democratic primary. Again the facts show your claim to be false.
 
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You have no evidence Tyler identified as conservative. Family was conservative but that fact is irrelevant. He was registered unaffiliated.



  • Investigators say that in the year preceding the assassination of Charlie Kirk, Robinson had become more political and “started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro-LGBTQ rights–oriented.”
Thanks for providing the proof that you asked for .

His mother said, "over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left – becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented.”

"Started to lean" shows that she felt he had been conservative but had "started"to change and was starting to take on Democratic ideology which being pro-gay doesn't make a person a leftist. There are lots of gay Republicans.
No, being gay does not by itself indicate one is liberal but murdering a top conservative says a lot more than one’s voter registration.
It means you're a bit crazy. It doesn't mean you're not a conservative. It means that one didn't like something that Kirk preached but not everything.
Believe what you will but Tyler’s actions were not consistent with conservative values
It's also not consistent with liberal values. It is consistent with a disturbed individual.
. So the facts show your claim to be false.
You haven't shown that yet. Both of Trump's attempted assassins were pro Trump until he was shown to not support one of their political views.
Crooks was registered republican but that fact is also irrelevant.
Not irrelevant. Strong evidence that he was a conservative.
Crooks had in the past donated to a left leaning PAC.
Evidence that he supported a voter sign up movement with a small donation.
Routh originally registered Democrat and later registered unaffiliated. In 2024 he voted in the Democratic primary. Again the facts show your claim to be false.
Not false but a bit off. Fact: Routh voted for Donald Trump in 2016. He did vote in the North Carolina primary in 2024 but there is no record of who he voted for.
Records do show that he donated to several prominent Republicans and to Bernie. Being Independent means he could vote for whoever he chose to vote for.
 
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