The Fiction of ‘Occupied Palestinian Territory’ Made Israel a Pariah

[Michie]

But for the big hoax the world would be a different, if quieter, place.

Israel’s fair weather allies took depictions of famine in Gaza as their longed-for window to recognize “Palestine.” The blockbuster will be staged at a September sitting of the UN General Assembly, that forum of duplicitous diplomats, fickle and treacherous, inveterate feudists, liars, and extortionists.

It would be a storm in a teacup if the catchphrase was a mere misnomer. To the contrary, it grew into a monster.

The pretext for leaders of Canada, Australia, Britain and France to preen their virtue feathers couldn’t be more persuasive. The consensus condemns Israel as a child-killingjuggernaut. Small wonder that the four handed down a penal sentence chockfull of spite, ready to declare a state of Palestine knowing that Hamas remains a force to be reckoned with. As a minister in the Australian government put the grimy excuse for diplomacy

“Both Syria and Iraq had a long period where parts of those countries were being occupied and realistically controlled by ISIS. It didn’t stop us from recognizing and having diplomatic relations with those countries.”

The long and short of it is that a kamikaze neighbor dumped on the doorstep of Israelis will have de facto license to infiltrate their metropolises, towns, and settlements.

Only the UN could pull off a gimmick of this magnitude.

Of course ‘Palestine’ won’t exactly be real. It won’t however be a trick of the imagination. Call it a contrivance. Some dignitary will cut a ribbon and salute the colors tottering up a Ramallah flagpole. The ceremonials done with, Israel having decimated one Gaza, will be lured into committing “genocide” in a second arena.

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The Fiction of ‘Occupied Palestinian Territory’ Made Israel a Pariah – The American Spectator | USA News and Politics

But for the big hoax the world would be a different, if quieter, place.

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[eclipsenow]

The consensus condemns Israel as a child-killing juggernaut.

They are! What happened to Proportional Response as part of just war?
Has social media so escalated the Culture Wars in the USA that those we deem 'bad' are no longer human? (Because of Trump's many 'they are animals' speeches?)

I condemn in the strongest terms the horrendous Hamas slaughter of innocent civilians - including women and children - enjoying a music festival and taking hostages. I wish Hamas would hand the last hostages over right now!

But for exactly the same reason I also condemn in the strongest terms the utterly disproportionate and unjust ethnic cleansing and outright colonisation and occupation that Israel are conducting today! What are we up to now - 65,000 deaths in Gaza - about half being women and children?

I think Bibi needs to watch some West Wing where they discuss Proportional Response.

I applaud my Australian government for finally having the guts to recognise Palestine - as was decided by the UN a lifetime ago when Israel as a post-Ottoman then British Mandate region has a right to exist as a new nation in the region - so does Palestine - under exactly the same rationale!

And what of Hamas? Well - read the text of the recognition before accusing us of 'rewarding Hamas'. They're not to be a part of it!

But hey - as Bibi's gone so alt-right meaning ANY occupation or ethnic cleansing HIS Israel does is justified - we're all labelled antisemitic for being anti-ethnic cleansing in Gaza. He has used the word so much it has become trite!

The hypocrisy is overwhelming.

Colour me disgusted.

 

[eclipsenow]

* So no one reminded the Narcissist-in-Chief that the West Bank is a vital part of any peace plan? I guess 4 Corners was right last year. Trump really does not listen to intelligence briefings!
* To make a truly united Palestine - there would need to be a serious 40 km highway built between the West Bank and Gaza. (Underpasses and overpasses could guarantee freedom of movement for both Israelis and Palestinians.)
* An international force could police this highway for the first decade - guaranteeing the sovereignty of freedom of travel for both Israel and Palestine.
* Without a plan for the West Bank - Trump's 20 point plan is not even in the 'dog ate my homework' category. It's "I don't know which class I'm in." It reminds me of the whacky story my daughter told me about an opinionated student turning up and doing a presentation on French artists and philosophers in the Indigenous Art class - when the assignment was specifically about how Indigenous art is represented in modern Australian culture? Ouch!
* Trump's going to have to go back to the drawing board if he wants his Nobel Peace prize! I just hope this extra little 'detail' of the West Bank can be smuggled in at the last minute - even though the area involved is FAR larger than Gaza - and FAR more controversial given there's something like over half a million Israeli settlers illegally colonising the place already!

 

[AvilaSurfer]

Hamas is 100% at fault here. And they’ve brainwashed their people they’re “governing” to hate Israel and anyone who lives there. It’s disgusting. Hamas needs to be wiped out.

 

[eclipsenow]

Hamas is 100% at fault here. And they’ve brainwashed their people they’re “governing” to hate Israel and anyone who lives there. It’s disgusting. Hamas needs to be wiped out.

I have no sympathy for the actual terrorists within Hamas - but I wonder how many of the original terrorists are even still alive?

But the Palestinian people? That's a different story.

Imagine your city was walled off by some hostile power for decades. The power and water and trade are all intermittent and unreliable.

Imagine you were told you cannot visit your cousin who lives maybe just 50 km away in the West Bank. You are a 'security risk' - just because of where you are born. Then you hear your cousin was illegally kicked out of his house. He's so depressed - some Israeli settlers just came and took it. They had soldiers with them. They did not care that your cousin has a sick wife and 2 kids. He's living with friends - but not sure where he's going to go.

Why didn't he protest more? Oh - that's because you are both aware that your OTHER cousin was SHOT DEAD when he did so. No one cared. No one investigated. It's a homicide - maybe even a war crime given Israel should not even BE in the West Bank under international law. It's illegal imperialism - illegal occupation and settler expansion.

But who cares? Israel certainly doesn't - they have the backing of the USA. They have also hypnotised about 4 times as many American Evangelicals as there are Jews on the planet into being so called "Christian Zionists" who use bad end-times theology to justify favouring Israel - no matter what!

It's been like this for decades - and only getting worse.

THEN you hear the WORST news. You understand the frustration - but not the barbarity of the acts. Hamas - your countrymen - have attacked young Israeli's in the worst way possible! It's a full scale terrorist attack unlike anything Hamas has done before.

Your heart races in your chest - as you fear for your own kids. If life was bad before, what's it going to be like if Israel responds in it's usual disproportionate way? They don't practice "Just War" theory. They use Israeli bombs to 'precision target' some 'perceived' enemy lair - but the bomb itself crushes lungs in a 700 meter diameter kill zone.

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Let's get real. Hamas killed 1,219 people and took 251 hostages. If we include ALL the hostages as horrific casualties of war - even the living ones because they were illegally kidnapped for 2 years - we're talking about 1470 casualties.

How are the Palestinians doing? Over 65,000 Palestinians dead! In addition to the numbers, it's the spread. At one point it was about a classroom of children a day. So much for 'just war'.

But the number itself? Is that Just War? Is that a proportional response? That's over 44.2 TIMES the original terrorist attack.

 

[AvilaSurfer]

The “Palestinian” people are just barely better than Hamas. Maybe.

 

[eclipsenow]

The “Palestinian” people are just barely better than Hamas. Maybe.

And your evidence is? That sounds pretty racist there pal!

Here's some historical evidence.

Palestinian Muslims, Christians and Jews had lived peacefully together for 4 Centuries under the Ottoman Empire (1517 to 1917).

The United Nations declared a 2 state solution on 29 Nov 1947.

Israel went to war the next day - and illegally stole 60% of the area allocated for Palestine.

Israel - out of their own defiance of international norms - shoved 700,000 Palestinians off their land.

Then this all brewed into resentment that international law was being ignored, and so the Arab nations fought back - resulting in Israel smashing them (with better training and kit from the Americans) and taking even more land.

Now Israel holds 3.4 MILLION Palestinians as hostages in their own land in the West Bank, and over 2 million hostage in Gaza.

These are effectively the world's largest open-air jails or concentration camps.

Israel has for generations ignored international law - and behaved in a manner I think of as "The Awful irony."

THE AWFUL IRONY
Israel have for decades now increasingly behaved like the very regime that forced so many Jews to flee Europe in WW2!!

Discrimination becomes Persecution becomes Ghettoization becomes Deportation becomes Concentration → the mass starvation in Gaza today.

So which is worse - militant ethno-religious Islam or militant ethno-religious Zionism?

If measured by sheer numbers in this particular conflict, militant Zionism wins hands down!

Israel killed over 44 TIMES as many Palestinians - many of them women and children - as the terrorist group Hamas killed Jews.

Because this stuff is so intense I liked to finish up with some comic relief.
I wish Israeli soldiers would wake up and ask this question:

 

[AvilaSurfer]

Racist? Racists see racism everywhere. I’ve seen interviews with former hostages describing the poor Palestinian people. They’re not blameless.

 

[eclipsenow]

Racist? Racists see racism everywhere. I’ve seen interviews with former hostages describing the poor Palestinian people. They’re not blameless.

You did not address one of the substantive points! Instead you tried to use a Bulverism on me. A Bulverism is where someone tries to psychoanalyse WHY someone is wrong, rather than prove THAT they are wrong. It's playing the man, and not the ball.

MASTERS IN INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS - MIDDLE EAST
A friend of mine with a Masters in International Relations focussing on Palestine said of today’s 100,000 strong march across the Sydney Harbour Bridge in FULL rain:
“Fabulous turn out today at the March for Humanity. End the starvation, end the occupation, end the genocide. Sanction Israel now. From 2005 Israel and its leaders have spoken about “putting Gaza on a diet” and “mowing the lawn” all the while controlling Gaza’s borders, water and electricity. If you don’t know what was happening in Gaza pre 2023, or what has been happening to Palestinians since 1948, find out. Because blaming Palestinian resistance movements, however repugnant, is like blaming the French resistance in WWII or the Warsaw ghetto leadership for the Holocaust.”


So to get back on topic?

1. How would you react to knowing 700,000 of your people got kicked off their land?

2. What about the UN allocating your people land - but the other guys go to war the next day and steal 60% of it?

3. What about decades of your people being treated as second class citizens - a true apartheid - IF they are lucky enough to work in Israel?

4. What about in more recent decades the oppressor then getting positively 1930's GERMAN about it all - and committing acts of settler colonisation, property theft, Ghettoization, and now outright concentration camps, starvation, and ethnic cleansing?

5. DEFYING 'JUS POST BELLUM'.
Even before the Hamas terrorist attacks, Israel was denying the Palestinian people a principle known as 'Jus Post Bellum' - the just conclusion of a war and letting the defeated nation rebuild without undue suffering and ongoing enmity. Israel seems to have strived to create the most enmity possible! Gaza and the West Bank are the world's largest open air prisons. The people there have suffered blockades, restricted trade, and even limited fresh water and power.
It is sociology 101 that if you occupy and persecute a people group for generations, they will retaliate. The west sympathises with the Jewish plight after the horrors of the Holocaust. We are only recently waking up to the fact that they are now perpetrating the very same crimes that were perpetrated against them just a few generations ago!

6. ECONOMIC ADDICTION TO WAR IN GAZA
Australian Jewish journalist Anthony Loewenstein was raised to believe Israel was a golden light to the world. However, when he visited there he was shocked to discover how Israel treated the Palestinian people. He has published a book and spoken in various popular Australian political forums (such as the National Press Club) about the "Palestine Laboratory". Basically - Israel tests their new weapons kit on Palestinians - and then markets them to the world as 'battle tested.' You know - because bombs that kill TENS OF THOUSANDS of innocent Palestinian woman and children deserve to be marketed that way! Some of them have enormous kill-zones. Not only that, but America sold plenty of huge bombs to Israel during this conflict - bombs with kill-zones of about 400 to 700 meters in diameter!

Gaza is the lab where the Expansionist Zionist Military Industrial Complex tests their new weapons. Israel are ECONOMICALLY addicted to testing new weapons in Gaza. They avoid using a tactical local effect smart bomb, and use such huge charges they explode lungs up to 300 meters in all directions! Women and children cough up their lungs and suffocate across this huge 600 meter diameter. That's several city blocks away from the target!

How is that not a war crime?

Lowenstein also documents how many persecuting and apartheid regimes and dictators Israel not only sold weapons to, but sold PR knowledge about how to get away with it! From Apartheid South Africa to Pinochet's Chile! The Palestine Laboratory Podcast

7. FLOUTING INTERNATIONAL LAW IN THE WEST BANK - CONDUCTING THEIR OWN TERRORISM BEFORE HAMAS!

Since October 7, 2023 Israel have proudly ANNOUNCED to the world how much more WEST BANK Palestinian land they are declaring Israel's!
Their illegal land grabs have escalated. Oh - so have their murders and war crimes!

Sorry - who's the terrorist again? This is all in the WEST BANK that did not attack Israel.

Mapping how Israel’s land grabs are reshaping the occupied West Bank

Israel's assault in Jenin and Tulkarem seeks to suppress resistance and tighten control amid a demographic crisis.

www.aljazeera.com