NSPM-7

[notyourenemy]

White House Anti-Terror Order Targets ‘Anti-American’ Views

The order, experts warn, could target protestors' constitutional right to protest and free speech.

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National Security Presidential Memorandum 7 is designed to address what the article calls "ideological markers" which supposedly indicate support of violence. Included in the order are things deemed "anti-Americanism" and "anti-capitalism".

Also included are things deemed "anti-Christianity". How far would that go?

If a public debate were held between a Christian and a non-Christian and the latter received applause, cheers and maybe even laughter from non-Christians in the audience, could they all be accused of "intimidation" of the Christians?

If Jews for Jesus gathered at a public venue and members of Jews for Judaism showed up to counter with arguments of their own, could the Torah-observant Jews be accused of attacking Christianity?

If victims of psychological or emotional abuse called out the abusers, could they be accused by those abusers of "hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family, religion, and morality"?

Where does this order draw the line to protect free and open religious discourse?

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I'm guessing anti Trump's views, meaning is anyone, that believes in caring about the poor, health care for everyone. And education for the middle class and poor doesn't matter. So , people that care about people doesn't matter.

 

[Matt5]

Based on the article (Grok AI):
Overview of the Order: The Trump Administration issued NSPM-7, a directive expanding the definition of domestic terrorism to include ideological markers like anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, anti-Christianity, support for overthrowing the government, extremism on migration/race/gender, and hostility toward traditional views on family, religion, and morality. It directs the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) to investigate, prosecute, and disrupt networks fomenting political violence, including Antifa (noted as an ideology, not a formal group).

Scope of Political Violence: The order broadly defines political violence as organized campaigns of intimidation, radicalization, threats, violence, doxing, rioting, property destruction, and civil disorder aimed at silencing speech, limiting activity, influencing policy, or obstructing democracy.
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Naturally Antifa is listed. Of course, universities and NGOs are behind a lot of this political violence. I think government is money is either directly (student loans for universities) or indirectly (NGOs) behind this. Shut off the government money and this withers on the vine.

This is what happens when you shoot people, like Charlie Kirk. Never mind that they tried to kill Trump more than once, and that was only after they trumped up charges to get him thrown in prison.

Insurrection Barbie on X: ".
@RepJasmine Challenge accepted. You wanted clips of democrats promoting violence? Here you go. Your move.
https://t.co/VnhE58Klfu" / X

https://x.com/DefiyantlyFree/status/1967295875815989602

 

[bèlla]

I would look into HR 5300 as well. They probably work together.

Congressman Brian Mast has introduced new legislation that will give Secretary of State Marco Rubio authority to revoke passports of US citizens for “aiding” terrorism. Civil liberty organizations are alarmed that the new bill could lead to government “thought policing.”

A provision tucked away in HR 5300, is a provision that will allow the Secretary of State to revoke the passports of Americans who are determined by the Secretary to be aiding terrorism. “The Secretary of State shall refuse to issue a passport to any individual who,” section 226 of the bill says, “the Secretary determines has knowingly aided, assisted, abetted, or otherwise provided material support to an organization the Secretary has designated as a foreign terrorist organization.”

Seth Stern, the director of advocacy at Freedom of the Press Foundation, told The Intercept, “Marco Rubio has claimed the power to designate people terrorist supporters based solely on what they think and say, even if what they say doesn’t include a word about a terrorist organization or terrorism.”

He went on to say the bill could allow for “thought policing at the hands of one individual.”

House Bill Would Give Secretary of State Power to Revoke US Passport for ‘Aiding’ Terrorism | The Libertarian Institute

Civil liberty groups are concerned that Secretary of State Marco Rubio could use the power to further the crackdown on pro-Palestinian voices Congressman Brian Mast has introduced new legislation that will give Secretary of State Marco Rubio authority to revoke passports of US citizens for...

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~bella

 

[Maria Billingsley]

White House Anti-Terror Order Targets ‘Anti-American’ Views

The order, experts warn, could target protestors' constitutional right to protest and free speech.

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National Security Presidential Memorandum 7 is designed to address what the article calls "ideological markers" which supposedly indicate support of violence. Included in the order are things deemed "anti-Americanism" and "anti-capitalism".

Also included are things deemed "anti-Christianity". How far would that go?

If a public debate were held between a Christian and a non-Christian and the latter received applause, cheers and maybe even laughter from non-Christians in the audience, could they all be accused of "intimidation" of the Christians?

If Jews for Jesus gathered at a public venue and members of Jews for Judaism showed up to counter with arguments of their own, could the Torah-observant Jews be accused of attacking Christianity?

If victims of psychological or emotional abuse called out the abusers, could they be accused by those abusers of "hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family, religion, and morality"?

Where does this order draw the line to protect free and open religious discourse?

It's important to understand how this memorandum defines " political violence ". It is much broader than the physical:

AI Generated:

The memorandum defines "organized political violence" not as a single act, but as a culmination of sophisticated, organized campaigns that utilize targeted intimidation, threats, and violent acts with the explicit political purpose of silencing opposing speech, limiting political activity, changing policy outcomes, and preventing the functioning of a democratic society. The scope of acts categorized as these politically motivated terrorist activities is broad, including both traditional physical crimes like rioting, looting, trespass, assault, and destruction of property, as well as non-physical forms of intimidation such as organized doxing campaigns, swatting, and threats of violence. These campaigns are stated to be animated by recurrent motivations, including anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, and support for the overthrow of the U.S. Government.

I dont know but, many parts of this memorandum eerily sounds like it is describing this administration. Just sayin....

 

[notyourenemy]

This is what happens when you shoot people, like Charlie Kirk.

And Melissa Hortman, you meant to say. Right?

Never mind that they tried to kill Trump more than once

If I remember correctly, "they" turned out to be disgruntled Trump voters in those instances.

You wanted clips of democrats promoting violence? Here you go. Your move.

How about all of us make this move?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

This is what happens when you shoot people, like Charlie Kirk.

Use it to your political advantage?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Also included are things deemed "anti-Christianity". How far would that go?

Maybe this counts as anti-Christian?

In Chicago, clergy and faith-based protesters say ICE is threatening their religious freedom
(RNS) — Despite potential danger, religious leaders and faith activists have been a visible presence at Chicago-area ICE protests, some waving signs with slogans such as ‘Love thy neighbor’ and ‘Who would Jesus deport?’

Last month, the Rev. David Black stood in front of a Chicago-area U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility and spread his arms wide. Adorned in all black and wearing a clerical collar, the pastor looked up at a group of masked, heavily armed ICE agents on the roof and began to pray.

“I invited them to repentance,” Black, a minister in the Presbyterian Church (USA), said in an interview. “I basically offered an altar call. I invited them to come and receive that salvation, and be part of the kingdom that is coming.”

But when Black began to lower his arms a few seconds later, the agents responded to his spiritual plea by firing pepper balls, or chemical agents that cause eye irritation and respiratory distress, video footage shows. One struck Black in the head, exploding into a puff of white pepper smoke and forcing him to his knees. Fellow demonstrators rushed to his aid, and as the pastor rubbed his face in pain, the agents continued to fire.

“We could hear them laughing,” Black said.

Dozens of faith groups and denominations have also filed lawsuits challenging Trump’s various immigration policies, and the treatment of religious demonstrators at the Chicago facility has become a legal flashpoint. Black is listed as a plaintiff in a lawsuitfiled this week against Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem alleging violations of the First and Fourth Amendments. Although most of the plaintiffs are journalists, Black is named as one of multiple clergy and faith-based demonstrators who, lawyers argue, have fallen victim to violence that violates the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

But DHS continued its negative characterization of protesters on Friday (Oct. 3), when Noem visited the Broadview facility. In a speech to agents recorded by right-wing activist Benny Johnson, the secretary argued the protesters outside the facility were “advocating for violence against the American people” and were “victimizing people every day by the way that they’re talking, speaking, who they’re affiliated with, (and) who they’re funded (by).” [I note that none of those things are violent acts that 'victimize' anybody.]

[same guy, but apparently a different incident]

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Maybe this counts as anti-Christian?

In Chicago, clergy and faith-based protesters say ICE is threatening their religious freedom
(RNS) — Despite potential danger, religious leaders and faith activists have been a visible presence at Chicago-area ICE protests, some waving signs with slogans such as ‘Love thy neighbor’ and ‘Who would Jesus deport?’

Last month, the Rev. David Black stood in front of a Chicago-area U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility and spread his arms wide. Adorned in all black and wearing a clerical collar, the pastor looked up at a group of masked, heavily armed ICE agents on the roof and began to pray.

“I invited them to repentance,” Black, a minister in the Presbyterian Church (USA), said in an interview. “I basically offered an altar call. I invited them to come and receive that salvation, and be part of the kingdom that is coming.”

But when Black began to lower his arms a few seconds later, the agents responded to his spiritual plea by firing pepper balls, or chemical agents that cause eye irritation and respiratory distress, video footage shows. One struck Black in the head, exploding into a puff of white pepper smoke and forcing him to his knees. Fellow demonstrators rushed to his aid, and as the pastor rubbed his face in pain, the agents continued to fire.

“We could hear them laughing,” Black said.

Dozens of faith groups and denominations have also filed lawsuits challenging Trump’s various immigration policies, and the treatment of religious demonstrators at the Chicago facility has become a legal flashpoint. Black is listed as a plaintiff in a lawsuitfiled this week against Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem alleging violations of the First and Fourth Amendments. Although most of the plaintiffs are journalists, Black is named as one of multiple clergy and faith-based demonstrators who, lawyers argue, have fallen victim to violence that violates the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

But DHS continued its negative characterization of protesters on Friday (Oct. 3), when Noem visited the Broadview facility. In a speech to agents recorded by right-wing activist Benny Johnson, the secretary argued the protesters outside the facility were “advocating for violence against the American people” and were “victimizing people every day by the way that they’re talking, speaking, who they’re affiliated with, (and) who they’re funded (by).” [I note that none of those things are violent acts that 'victimize' anybody.]

[same guy, but apparently a different incident]

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I'll add to this post. Wow!

AI Generated

Federal officers, specifically ICE agents, deployed tear gas that affected Chicago police officers during clashes with protestors. Chicago Police Superintendent Larry Snelling confirmed that 27 CPD officers were "affected by the chemical agents that were deployed by federal agents," and Mayor Brandon Johnson also publicly stated that ICE agents were "tear-gassing... Chicago police officers."

 

[bèlla]

Maybe this counts as anti-Christian?

I don’t know about that but the situation is hostile. A local YouTuber is covering it and they opened fire on them a week before the woman was shot. He was live when it happened and I saw it. The gate opened and a group of soldiers emerged and started shooting the protestors with rubber bullets without provocation. After the incident he advised people to stay away or only go during the day because nights weren’t safe.

The protestors have done their share of agitation. Now that the government has declared Antifa a terrorist groups its more physical. Tear gas is the norm and there’s several snipers stationed on the roof towards the crowd. There were just a couple at first but when border security arrived the numbers increased.

As for CPD and the agents. I think it’s good cop bad cop. They weren’t around when the above occurred. Only one car was present a block away. The citizens had no police protection.

~bella

 

[Hans Blaster]

Naturally Antifa is listed. Of course, universities and NGOs are behind a lot of this political violence. I think government is money is either directly (student loans for universities) or indirectly (NGOs) behind this. Shut off the government money and this withers on the vine.

Univerities aren't funding or behind political violence. Most would prefer it go away protesting students tend to do their protesting on campus and university administrations don't care for that.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Maybe this counts as anti-Christian?

In Chicago, clergy and faith-based protesters say ICE is threatening their religious freedom
(RNS) — Despite potential danger, religious leaders and faith activists have been a visible presence at Chicago-area ICE protests, some waving signs with slogans such as ‘Love thy neighbor’ and ‘Who would Jesus deport?’

Last month, the Rev. David Black stood in front of a Chicago-area U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility and spread his arms wide. Adorned in all black and wearing a clerical collar, the pastor looked up at a group of masked, heavily armed ICE agents on the roof and began to pray.

“I invited them to repentance,” Black, a minister in the Presbyterian Church (USA), said in an interview. “I basically offered an altar call. I invited them to come and receive that salvation, and be part of the kingdom that is coming.”

But when Black began to lower his arms a few seconds later, the agents responded to his spiritual plea by firing pepper balls, or chemical agents that cause eye irritation and respiratory distress, video footage shows. One struck Black in the head, exploding into a puff of white pepper smoke and forcing him to his knees. Fellow demonstrators rushed to his aid, and as the pastor rubbed his face in pain, the agents continued to fire.

“We could hear them laughing,” Black said.

Dozens of faith groups and denominations have also filed lawsuits challenging Trump’s various immigration policies, and the treatment of religious demonstrators at the Chicago facility has become a legal flashpoint. Black is listed as a plaintiff in a lawsuitfiled this week against Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem alleging violations of the First and Fourth Amendments. Although most of the plaintiffs are journalists, Black is named as one of multiple clergy and faith-based demonstrators who, lawyers argue, have fallen victim to violence that violates the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

But DHS continued its negative characterization of protesters on Friday (Oct. 3), when Noem visited the Broadview facility. In a speech to agents recorded by right-wing activist Benny Johnson, the secretary argued the protesters outside the facility were “advocating for violence against the American people” and were “victimizing people every day by the way that they’re talking, speaking, who they’re affiliated with, (and) who they’re funded (by).” [I note that none of those things are violent acts that 'victimize' anybody.]

[same guy, but apparently a different incident]

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Insane optics. Dudes dressed like they’re ready to take on the Russians in Ukraine yet being used to attack pastors and protesters of their own country.

The hatred some people have for the undocumented is greater than the love for their fellow citizens.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

The theme of the policy itself isn't unique, it's the vagueness that's the primary concern.

Germany has something similar in their Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution -in conjunction with their Constitutional Protection Act (Bundesverfassungsschutzgesetz) -- say that word 5 times fast

Examples of groups of people whose individual members have been or are observed by the BfV and affiliated organizations are:

• People from associations associated with the right-wing extremist spectrum: Alternative für Deutschland, Der Flügel, Junge Alternative, NPD (NPD banning attempt), Junge Nationalisten, Ring Nationaler Frauen, DS-Verlag, Die Rechte, Der III. Weg, National Socialist Underground, German People's Union, Freie Kameradschaften or those close to them
• People from parties and organizations of the left-wing extremist spectrum, including parts of the party The Left; also the Communist Party of Germany (KPD), German Communist Party, Marxist–Leninist Party of Germany, historically Red Army Faction and Free German Youth, Communist Party of Turkey/Marxist–Leninist, Freie Arbeiterinnen- und Arbeiter-Union, Anarcho-Syndicalist Union of Germany and others, as well as autonomous groups
• Islamic fundamentalist and Islamist organizations ICCB (Chaplains' Association), Millî Görüş, IS, al-Qaida (and derivatives), Hamas, Jihadism, Turkish Hezbollah, Muslim Brotherhood and others
• Persons from the Kurdistan Workers' Party, the Revolutionary People's Liberation Front, Turkish right-wing extremism such as the Ülkücü movement and other extremist groups
• Cyber attack groups
• Intelligence and security services of the Russian Federation, the People's Republic of China, the Islamic Republic of Iran, Turkey and other states active in Germany
• Scientology
• Historically refugees from the Eastern Bloc, as Eastern secret services placed agents among the people who emigrated from the GDR by applying for an exit permit infiltrated, among other things, for the purpose of spying on Western secret holders (Günter Guillaume).
• Historically politicians of the former GDR and other socialist states (wiretapping operations, analyses).

...but the difference is they have more specifics pertaining to an enumerated list of activities that can get you on the "observation list", as well as some additional guardrails pertaining to federal surveillance powers.


I don't necessarily disagree with the overall concept...

Democracy can be used against itself (and that's especially a concern during times of rapid demographic changes), and it's not unreasonable to want to hedge against that.

But it seems like this is another "Ready, Fire, Aim" move from the Trump admin where they tried to slap something together quickly.

I'm sure the German implementation of this took more than a week of preparation to craft and fine-tune.