Israel and the New Covenant.

[Hentenza]

God judges us based on our knowledge. If we turn from the truth after learning it, He tells us what happens. Psa `119:151 Heb 10:26. As I stated I can only go by what Scriptures state, I never condemned, I provided Scriptures.

You provide scriptures based on your interpretation so your posts are biased and in error. I told you before that when tension is introduced into scripture because of your interpretation then you need to examine your interpretation. The gospel of good news doesn’t teach we have to worship on Saturday or else there is no good news. Not all Christians that worship on Sunday are bound for hell. Can you see how absurd your theory is? Can you see the tremendous tension that it introduces into scripture?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You provide scriptures based on your interpretation so your posts are biased and in error. I told you before that when tension is introduced into scripture because if your interpretation then you need to examine your interpretation. There gospel of good news doesn’t teach we have to worship on Saturday or else there is no good news. Not all Christians that worship on Sunday are bound for hell. Can you see how absurd your theory is?

God will not alter His standard for us, we are to lift our standard to His. Jesus answered the question about following traditions in place of God's commandments. We can choose to believe His teachings/warning or not Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13.

The gospel is the good news, Jesus started His gospel message by repent, for the Kingdon of God is at hand. Repent from what? Sin. SIn is breaking God's laws, His version, not ours. The good news is TODAY, we have time to turn from our ways and be in harmony with His will, but we do not know what tomorrow brings. When He comes our decisions are sealed Rev22:11

God will be the Judge on this so I guess we will both have to wait to find out soon enough.


Be well.

 

[ralliann]

Sarah didn't take it upon herself to have another women have Abrhams child instead of waiting on God's time. Can you show this to me in Scripture please.

What do you mean not waiting for God's time? You show me anywhere this condemnation is based upon? She is spoken of as nothing but a Faithful woman and wife.....God spoke to Abraham, Not her! She believed her husband.

Can you show me by Scripture where Isaac didn't come from the promise of God, verse please

I never said any such thing. Both were born of women. Only one was born of the promise of KINGS. To both Abraham and Sarah at that time. Ishmael was a prince (lower than kings)
Ge 17:18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!

Here is your allegory.... Hagar looked down upon Sarah for her own status, above Sarah..
Ge 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

Gen 25:13 And these are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam,
14 And Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa,
15 Hadar, and Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah: {Hadar: or, Hadad }
16 These are the sons of Ishmael, and these are their names, by their towns, and by their castles; twelve princes according to their nations.
17 And these are the years of the life of Ishmael, an hundred and thirty and seven years: and he gave up the ghost and died; and was gathered unto his people.
18 And they dwelt from Havilah unto Shur, that is before Egypt, as thou goest toward Assyria: and he died in the presence of all his brethren.

 

[Hentenza]

God will be the Judge on this so I guess we will both have to wait to find out soon enough.
Be well.

I know that God will be the judge and not you which is great. However, in the meantime you are going to continue introducing erroneous teachings that could fool a new Christian or those yet mature into becoming a legalist. That is not cool.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

What do you mean not waiting for God's time? You show me anywhere this condemnation is based upon? She is spoken of as nothing but a Faithful woman and wife.....God spoke to Abraham, Not her! She believed her husband.

I never said any such thing. Both were born of women. Only one was born of the promise of KINGS.

Did Sarah not take it in her own hands to fulfil God's promise on making Abraham a great nation by taking Hagar to conceive a child instead of waiting on God's promise in His time.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I know that God will be the judge and not you which is great. However, in the meantime you are going to continue introducing erroneous teachings that could fool a new Christian or those yet mature into becoming a legalist. That is not cool.

By teaching people to get back to what God of the Bible said, Remember what He asked us to, or is the erroneous teaching to forget what God said Remember, that He blessed made holy and sanctified and is His Testimony, we can profane. Eze 22:26 God will judge. Ecc12:13-14 Rev 14:7 Rev 11:18-19 Rev 22:14-15 Guess we will both find out.

We need to keep in mind that we are accountable for our teachings.

Mat5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Hentenza]

By teaching people to get back top what God said, Remember what He asked us to, or is the erroneous teaching to forget what God said Remember, that He blessed made holy and sanctified and is His Testimony. God will judge. Ecc12:13-14 Rev 14:7 Rev 11:18-19 Rev 22:14-15 Guess we will both find out.

Let’s see,

legalist: if you don’t worship on Saturday you are going to hell.

““For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him [and worships on Saturday] will not perish, but have eternal life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.

bible.com

Said no one ever. What’s the other one?

“For by grace you have been saved through faith [and worshiping in Saturday] and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2‬:‭8‬-‭9‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

bible.com

Also said no one ever. In fact nowhere in scripture post crucifixion is there a single verse that commands the Christian to worship on Saturday.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Let’s see,

legalist: if you don’t worship on Saturday you are going to hell.

““For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him [and worships on Saturday] will not perish, but have eternal life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.

bible.com

Said no one ever. What’s the other one?

“For by grace you have been saved through faith [and worshiping in Saturday] and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2‬:‭8‬-‭9‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

bible.com

Also said no one ever. In fact nowhere in scripture post crucifixion is there a single verse that commands the Christian to worship on Saturday.

I never said that but you might want to keep reading in John

John 3: 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

God already gave His commandments, written and spoken. He than placed His laws in the hearts and minds of His new covenant believers Heb8:10 not altering Hos words as promised Psa 89:34 why we see Sabbath-keeping all throughout the NT, including Jesus who is our example to follow and continues on Isa 66:23.

God, not me, said profaning the Sabbath is evil

Neh 13:17 Then I contended with the nobles of Judah, and said to them, “What evil thing is this that you do, by which you profane the Sabbath day?

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this, And the son of man who lays hold on it; Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

Jesus said we can still do evil in the NC on His Sabbath, meaning the Sabbath is still LAW as promised Psa89:34 and we can still do evil by profaning it.

Luke 6:9 Then Jesus said to them, “I will ask you one thing: Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy?”

One would have to ignore a ton of thus saith the Lords to come to the conclusion we do not need to keep God's Sabbath commandment the holy day of the Lord thy God. Isa 58:13

When is doing evil good and doing what God commanded that He blessed sanctified and made holy bad?

Isa 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

 

[Hentenza]

I never said that but you might want to keep reading in John

Sure you did. If you consider the 4th commandment as moral then that is exactly what you are saying.

I don’t interpret John the same way you do. As I stated before your interpretation introduces tension to scripture so it is wrong.

 

[ralliann]

What do you mean not waiting for God's time? You show me anywhere this condemnation is based upon? She is spoken of as nothing but a Faithful woman and wife.....God spoke to Abraham, Not her! She believed her husband.

I never said any such thing. Both were born of women. Only one was born of the promise of KINGS. To both Abraham and Sarah at that time. Isaac was a prince (lower than kings)
Ge 17:18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!

Here is your allegory.... Hagar looked down upon Sarah for her own status, above Sarah..
Ge 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

Further more
Gen 17.......
Zec 6:13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

Mt 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Re 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Re 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Sure you did. If you consider the 4th commandment as moral then that is exactly what you are saying.

I don’t interpret John the same way you do. As I stated before your interpretation introduces tension to scripture so it is wrong.

All of God's commandments are righteous Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 All of God's commandments are Truth Psa 119:151, The Testimonies of God is sure Psa 19:7 therefore all of God's commandments are moral, But if one wishes to believe God made a mistake on the one commandment He placed His seal Exo 20:11 that He asked us to Remember, that He blessed, sanctified and made holy from Creation, that was according to His perfect will, that's way above me.

 

[childeye 2]

Let’s see,

legalist: if you don’t worship on Saturday you are going to hell.

““For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him [and worships on Saturday] will not perish, but have eternal life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.

bible.com

Said no one ever. What’s the other one?

“For by grace you have been saved through faith [and worshiping in Saturday] and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2‬:‭8‬-‭9‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

bible.com

Also said no one ever. In fact nowhere in scripture post crucifixion is there a single verse that commands the Christian to worship on Saturday.

I can't speak for @SabbathBlessings, but in my view, I think she intends to convey that keeping the Sabbath Holy is to set the day apart as a sign of acknowledging that God made all things.

 

[ralliann]

Did Sarah not take it in her own hands to fulfil God's promise on making Abraham a great nation by taking Hagar to conceive a child instead of waiting on God's promise in His time.

God had his own time for the promise TO SARAH.
Ge 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

What are you judging Sarah for?
what sin are you accusing her of?

or is it your own personal dislike, you are placing in your own hands?

Here is what God's word says

Ro 9:9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.

Heb 11:11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
1Pe 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement. {daughters: Gr. children }

And this
Ga 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. {answereth to: or, is in the same rank with }
Ga 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

You have no scriptural reason for what you are saying AT ALL!

 

[ralliann]

Sorry how does this relate to what we were talking about previously or how does this relate to the post you are replying to.

Kings promised to Abraham and Sarah.....
That is the promise of the covenant of Circumcision, not the covenant by Moses. The law brings wrath....

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I can't speak for @SabbathBlessings, but in my view, I think she intends to convey that keeping the Sabbath Holy is to set the day apart as a sign of acknowledging that God made all things.

Its part of it, yes. There are many gods of the world but only one God who made heaven and earth and everything in it. Exo 20:11This is God's seal, where He placed it in His Sabbath commandment . The Sabbath reminds of God's creative power and also His re-creative power of His sanctification Eze 20:12 and the Sabbath is a sign between God and His people Eze 20:20.

God is only wanting to spend time with His children on the Sabbath, the day He set aside to do so right from Creation, so we can rest with God. I do believe the Sabbath is our test, much like Adam and Eve were tested by the tree of good and evil. People think its just a tree, or just a day, but its a test of loyalty. Whoever we obey is who we serve - do we keep mans sabbath or God's. Life is about choices.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

God had his own time for the promise TO SARAH.
Ge 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

What are you judging Sarah for?
what sin are you accusing her of?

or is it your own personal dislike, you are placing in your own hands?

Here is what God's word says

Ro 9:9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.

Heb 11:11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
1Pe 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement. {daughters: Gr. children }

And this
Ga 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. {answereth to: or, is in the same rank with }
Ga 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

You have no scriptural reason for what you are saying AT ALL!

Are you not understanding what I am saying? You are not even addressing what I said.

I am going to point you back to this post Israel and the New Covenant.

Please address these points.

 

[Hentenza]

All of God's commandments are righteous Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 All of God's commandments are Truth Psa 119:151, The Testimonies of God is sure Psa 19:7 therefore all of God's commandments are moral, But if one wishes to believe God made a mistake on the one commandment He placed His seal Exo 20:11 that He asked us to Remember, that He blessed, sanctified and made holy from Creation, that was according to His perfect will, that's way above me.

Once again, you are obviously interpreting those wrong since your belief leads to virtually every professed Christian that does not worship on Saturday to go to hell which is nonsense.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Once again, you are obviously interpreting those wrong since your belief leads to virtually every professed Christian that does not worship on Saturday to go to hell which is nonsense.

I never said that, you did not me.

I do not believe every person who worshipped on Sunday is going to hell. But if we know the truth about God's commandments and turn from them than I believe one will face judgement Heb 10:26-30. Its not for you or I to decide, I just advocate we be faithful to what God said John 14:15 Exo 20:6 instead of following what is popular by man.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Kings promised to Abraham and Sarah.....
That is the promise of the covenant of Circumcision, not the covenant by Moses. The law brings wrath....

Believe as you wish, its not what I believe Paul was comparing or what the promise through Sarah versus how the son of Hagar came about.

Breaking God's law brings wrath Romans 6:23, the law itself is holy, just and good Rom 7:12 and perfect for converting the soul Psa19:7. No one has to be a slave to sin, Christ gives us another option. John 15:5-10 The law is not the issue, sin is. The law is like a mirror, if it shows us dirt on our face, will getting rid of the mirror solve the problem, it just makes it worse. James 1:22-25 Verses seeing our dirt and going to the One who can get rid of it. Pro 28:13 1 John1:9

I am okay agreeing to disagree.

 

[Hentenza]

I can't speak for @SabbathBlessings, but in my view, I think she intends to convey that keeping the Sabbath Holy is to set the day apart as a sign of acknowledging that God made all things.

Unfortunately that is not what she is conveying. Her argument starts from her understanding that the 4th commandment is a moral commandment. The precludes her from the argument being figuratively as you state. To her this commandment is necessary for salvation because those who worship on Sunday are not keeping the 4th commandment therefore effectively sinning.