Elon Musk says he canceled his Netflix account — and urges his followers to as well

[ThatRobGuy]

I've never seen a single episode of Full House, so I couldn't possibly tell you.

You're missing out... That's what politically neutral (yet still very entertaining, but with some good life lessons) family programing should be.

We didn't need to know Danny Tanner's position on abortion, we didn't need to know Joey Gladstone's position on gay relationships, we didn't need to know Uncle Jesse's positions on gender identity.

Same with Family Matters... nobody cared what Carl Winslow's or Steve Urkel's positions were on those issues...

They appealed to concepts that were universally agreed upon.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

You're missing out... That's what politically neutral (yet still very entertaining, but with some good life lessons) family programing should be.

We didn't need to know Danny Tanner's position on abortion, we didn't need to know Joey Gladstone's position on gay relationships, we didn't need to know Uncle Jesse's positions on gender identity.

Same with Family Matters... nobody cared what Carl Winslow's or Steve Urkel's positions were on those issues...

They appealed to concepts that were universally agreed upon.

I'll take your word for it. That said, a quick jaunt on the Googles netted me this list of 10 times Full House engaged in progressive (for its time) social commentary: https://www.reddit.com/r/fullhouse/comments/s0q6l2
Assuming that the situations in those episodes are accurately recounted, I'd tend to agree.

But anyways, it's not really clear what your point is. Should all shows be milquetoast and inoffensive to even the tenderest of sensibilities? Or are you just whining about the "good old days"?

 

[stevevw]

• Elon Musk urged his followers to cancel Netflix for the "health of your kids" on Wednesday.
• Musk's posts come amid criticism by some online of a Netflix animated show featuring a teenage protagonist who is trans.
• It's unclear whether a significant number of Netflix users have canceled.

Elon Musk had a message for his social-media followers on Wednesday morning:

"Cancel Netflix for the health of your kids."

Elon Musk says he canceled his Netflix account — and urges his followers to as well

Elon Musk's posts come amid some online criticism of the Netflix animated show, "Dead End: Paranormal Park," and its creator.

www.businessinsider.com

I have Netflix and I agree there is a push by certain TV shows to promote trans ideas. But I havn't cancelled as I just avoid watching these. You can tell pretty quickly lol.

Its not just trans but also DEI. When I see a show that insists on representation every time of races or ethnic groups as characters. Or has females acting like males and even physically beating males and all that I switch off. I think it spoils the show. But the shows are never good. They lack any plot or substance as its more about the politics.

Its up to peoples choices. Though I disagree when its aimed at children and adolescents as I think they are more volnurable. BUt the trans issue is just one of many where young people are being subjected to inappropriate content. The media and tech age has opened a pandoras box.

In some ways this is the result of freedoms but freedoms gone mad. It seems to be the more equal and free as a society we have to allow even insane ideas for which most people know are unhealthy and not a good example. Which inevitably ends up with someone imposing their ideological beliefs.

 

[BCP1928]

I have Netflix and I agree there is a push by certain TV shows to promote trans ideas. But I havn't cancelled as I just avoid watching these. You can tell pretty quickly lol.

Its not just trans but also DEI. When I see a show that insists on representation every time of races or ethnic groups as characters. Or has females acting like males and even physically beating males and all that I switch off. I think it spoils the show. But the shows are never good. They lack any plot or substance as its more about the politics.

Its up to peoples choices. Though I disagree when its aimed at children and adolescents as I think they are more volnurable. BUt the trans issue is just one of many where young people are being subjected to inappropriate content. The media and tech age has opened a pandoras box.

In some ways this is the result of freedoms but freedoms gone mad. It seems to be the more equal and free as a society we have to allow even insane ideas for which most people know are unhealthy and not a good example. Which inevitably ends up with someone imposing their ideological beliefs.

What ideological beliefs are those? That Christian cultural values are the default position?

 

[BCP1928]

You're missing out... That's what politically neutral (yet still very entertaining, but with some good life lessons) family programing should be.

We didn't need to know Danny Tanner's position on abortion, we didn't need to know Joey Gladstone's position on gay relationships, we didn't need to know Uncle Jesse's positions on gender identity.

Same with Family Matters... nobody cared what Carl Winslow's or Steve Urkel's positions were on those issues...

They appealed to concepts that were universally agreed upon.

So concepts that are not universally agreed upon should not be dealt with? Who decides which ones those are?

 

[Nithavela]

I also agree that this kind of content should not be shown in children's tv series. There should instead be more screentime for wholesome, family-friendly characters like Lola Bunny, Gadget Hackwrench or Judy Hopps.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I'll take your word for it. That said, a quick jaunt on the Googles netted me this list of 10 times Full House engaged in progressive (for its time) social commentary: https://www.reddit.com/r/fullhouse/comments/s0q6l2
Assuming that the situations in those episodes are accurately recounted, I'd tend to agree.

But anyways, it's not really clear what your point is. Should all shows be milquetoast and inoffensive to even the tenderest of sensibilities? Or are you just whining about the "good old days"?

Some of the 10 things they list aren't really "progressive"

"Living in San Fran in the late 80's early 90s"
"Portraying Sexual Harassment as bad"
"Domestic abuse is bad and has consequences"

...aren't exactly what I would call politically polarizing progressive social commentary.

That aside...
My point is that if someone is making some sort of entertainment marketed towards kids, that's intentionally seeking to push the envelope and shape opinions on a controversial subject (knowing full well that parents are already having a hard enough time trying to moderate what their kids see in the age of social media, smart devices, and streaming services), they can't act as if "the other side is just being petty and unreasonable -- what's the big deal??, it's just a kids show" when there is backlash or calls for boycotting.

Conservative-leaning parents are already fighting more of an uphill battle on that front than progressive-leaning parents due to the fact that the realms of entertainment and academia are already tilted in favor of the progressive viewpoints.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

So concepts that are not universally agreed upon should not be dealt with? Who decides which ones those are?

They can be, but if those themes are going to be injected into content marketed towards kids, then the notion of "parents pushing for boycotts" shouldn't be misrepresented as "meritless overreactions".

I'm sure if you found out your kids had been watching a kid's show you weren't aware existed called "Little Patriots" by Ted Nugent on a streaming service (that was delving into some conservative talking points about taxes and guns), and the parental controls you set wasn't catching it because the streaming service rated it as Y7... you wouldn't be wrong for having a bone to pick with that streaming service.

 

[7thKeeper]

They can be, but if those themes are going to be injected into content marketed towards kids, then the notion of "parents pushing for boycotts" shouldn't be misrepresented as "meritless overreactions".

I'm sure if you found out your kids had been watching a kid's show you weren't aware existed called "Little Patriots" by Ted Nugent on a streaming service (that was delving into some conservative talking points about taxes and guns), and the parental controls you set wasn't catching it because the streaming service rated it as Y7... you wouldn't be wrong for having a bone to pick with that streaming service.

Why would it be caught by that? Is there violance, cursing, horror elements or nudity in the show?

 

[durangodawood]

Why would it be caught by that? Is there violance, cursing, horror elements or nudity in the show?

For some reason just ideological content, no matter how its presented, needs a warning?

We are in a touchy age.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Why would it be caught by that? Is there violance, cursing, horror elements or nudity in the show?

The things you're describing would be why a show may get a TV-14 or MA rating.

But the parental controls are pretty much the only (albeit weak) line of defense they have their disposal.

 

[7thKeeper]

The things you're describing would be why a show may get a TV-14 or MA rating.

But the parental controls are pretty much the only (albeit weak) line of defense they have their disposal.

So there is no reason why that show would be filtered out by a Y7 or a similar setting then? That is literally what I was asking you about.

 

[BCP1928]

They can be, but if those themes are going to be injected into content marketed towards kids, then the notion of "parents pushing for boycotts" shouldn't be misrepresented as "meritless overreactions".

I'm sure if you found out your kids had been watching a kid's show you weren't aware existed called "Little Patriots" by Ted Nugent on a streaming service (that was delving into some conservative talking points about taxes and guns), and the parental controls you set wasn't catching it because the streaming service rated it as Y7... you wouldn't be wrong for having a bone to pick with that streaming service.

No, and I might not even make them stop watching it.* I don't find my values challenged by the fact that there are people in society who take a conservative position on guns and taxes. But my kids should know that such people exist and have a positive view of themselves. That's a fact and it's something they are going to have to deal with all their lives.

*There are such shows, and my kids did watch them some, but generally disliked them for their violence--which seems to be concomitant with the presentation of conservative values.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

For some reason just ideological content, no matter how its presented, needs a warning?

We are in a touchy age.

We are in a touchy age...

If we were in the bizarro universe where academia and entertainment were 80% conservative instead of 80% progressive (on the social issues), and your kids were getting inundated from all angles with conservative messaging and one-sided themes, what would your reaction be to that arrangement?

 

[BCP1928]

We are in a touchy age...

If we were in the bizarro universe where academia and entertainment were 80% conservative instead of 80% progressive (on the social issues), and your kids were getting inundated from all angles with conservative messaging and one-sided themes, what would your reaction be to that arrangement?

Probably that the situation was being exaggerated.

 

[durangodawood]

We are in a touchy age...

If we were in the bizarro universe where academia and entertainment were 80% conservative instead of 80% progressive (on the social issues), and your kids were getting inundated from all angles with conservative messaging and one-sided themes, what would your reaction be to that arrangement?

Im already not subscribed to 80% conservative type media. So that answers that.

But to the point I was making: I would absolutely not expect warnings on shows from any "side" just based on how strongly ideological they are. (But.... if the show was going to veer into Ted Nugent "Jailbait" territory, then maybe a warning would be appropriate.)

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Some of the 10 things they list aren't really "progressive"

"Living in San Fran in the late 80's early 90s"
"Portraying Sexual Harassment as bad"
"Domestic abuse is bad and has consequences"

...aren't exactly what I would call politically polarizing progressive social commentary.

Today, sure. In the late '80s/early '90s though, the argument could definitely be made.

That aside...
My point is that if someone is making some sort of entertainment marketed towards kids, that's intentionally seeking to push the envelope and shape opinions on a controversial subject (knowing full well that parents are already having a hard enough time trying to moderate what their kids see in the age of social media, smart devices, and streaming services), they can't act as if "the other side is just being petty and unreasonable -- what's the big deal??, it's just a kids show" when there is backlash or calls for boycotting.

The viewpoint coming from the right (at least in this thread) is that the show is inappropriate for children because apparently openly LGBT characters are considered "sexual content." That is, frankly, unreasonable, and I will continue to call it out as such. It's especially laughable because this is a show from three years ago that only got two seasons. Literally the only reason why anyone knows (or cares) about it is that a right-wing ragebait account dredged up a clip from the show and shared it on Twitter.

Conservative-leaning parents are already fighting more of an uphill battle on that front than progressive-leaning parents due to the fact that the realms of entertainment and academia are already tilted in favor of the progressive viewpoints.

Okay? If you want to espouse viewpoints that fall outside of the "mainstream" (the mainstream here being that shows about LGBT characters and issues are acceptable), then you're going to have to go to more effort to make sure that your children are shielded from the mainstream viewpoints.

Look, if you want to cancel your Netflix subscription because you object to the content they have, that's fine. Words cannot express how little I care whether or not anyone has a Netflix subscription. But if you're going to go on social media and broadcast that intent everywhere, sharing reasons that are clearly bigoted, then yeah, I'm going to call you out on it.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I think it’s amusing and telling that the folks worried about some gayness in an obscure kids show are perfectly okay with the rampant consumerism and overconsumption pumped into their eyeballs non-stop in virtually every other kids show.

Oh, and the crippling depression that comes from being absorbed in the world of social media that Musk is selling.

Defund PBS but fork over billions upon billions to the leeches who make all this other stuff.