Israel and the New Covenant.

[SabbathBlessings]

You missed the verse below Romans 7:12, to give a better context.


How can a law that brings death to all people be good ? You either are a killer or you must be a little confused. Lets go with further consideration for you. The law is from God, God is holy, just and good, so God cant give a law that gives death forever, and no righteousness, right ?

So the law served its purpose, of the world guilty before God. It cant be a good law that also has the world guilty, can it ? That was the necessity of a new law, and that came by the PRIESTHOOD being changed, and then the old law cant exist any longer under a new priesthood, or there would not be a new priesthood. Now that righteousness and life could not be by the law, it is entirely by a new and living way, belief in the living God, which the Jews in Judiasm cant have, because we have to have belief in Christ that it is He that is the living Lord God. ( alive from the dead) That was the weakness of the law, it is not good or righteous to have us all kept guilty and in death, which is the first priesthood and the current death the Jews only have.


Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Galatians 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Hebrews 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Please start a new thread for this topic. I asked you more than once.

Thanks

 

[Abraham1st]

We are not under the condemnation of the law if we are in Christ. Those abiding in Christ are they rebelling and sinning? Jesus answers this, many believe in Jesus but do not have the faith of Jesus which is demonstrated through His life and teachings. John 14:15 Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 Mat5:19-30 John 15:10 Mat19:17-18 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14. How does one profess faith in Jesus but not want to follow His example 1 John 2:6 John 15:10 or follow His teachings. Isolating a verse or two from its context is not understanding and doing the will of God. I guess God will sort this out in His time.

The condemnation of the law is the priesthood, it is gone, it is the letter, it is gone, are the false teachers of the law, they are gone, is death, it is gone by the life that is in Christ they dont mix too well together, all old is passed away, time for you to learn that.


2 Timothy 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

 

[Abraham1st]

Paul is illustrating the changed status of one who is freed from the bondage of sin to be married to Christ. This is an illustration of three parties, a women, her husband and the law of marriage verses 1-3 Which ones of these parties dies? Not the law. If so the whole argument over adultery would be pointless.

Rom 7:1 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law [a]has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. 4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.

Your commentary is not matching Scripture

Your commentary is not matching Scripture.

We are way too far apart to have a meaningful discussion. Paul is not teaching against what Jesus taught and lived. Paul is not teaching to be lawless and sin. I am sticking with what Jesus said- If you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15 Exo20:6 I love Jesus and trust what He asks is for our own good.

What we are freed from is sin and death and sin being unbelief, and now to be given faith, as nobody in the law had faith given, as this is solely by the faith of Christ, as He has the gift of grace and faith for us, to believe in Him, not in the law. The law can give what it wants to give for men to follow it and it gives punishments, and death as punishment also.

But Jesus Christ gives grace, and the law gave Moses, and Christ both taught and gave forgiveness, even by giving HIs own self, which the Jews could not wait to destroy Hm, but that is what brought faith and life away from the death of the Jews and the law to them.

The law is faith, it is life, the law of Christ that is, and the Jews emphasises they have no interest in that law, by keeping the law they have as seen in the land of Israel and murdering.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The condemnation of the law is the priesthood, it is gone, it is the letter, it is gone, are the false teachers of the law, they are gone, is death, it is gone by the life that is in Christ they dont mix too well together, all old is passed away, time for you to learn that.


2 Timothy 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Your commentary does not match the Scriptures. The condemnation of the law is death Rom6:23 not the priesthood.

The law of the priesthood had to change because it tells us in Hebrews.

Heb 4:11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law (Deut 31:24-26)), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.


What law?

13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has [b]officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning [c]priesthood.

The ministration of the priesthood in the law of Moses came from the tribe of Levi because they were the only tribe that was faithful when Moses went up to receive God’s written covenant and Testimony.

Jesus came from the tribe of Judah, not Levi, why it was necessary for the law to be changed the law of the priesthood since Jesus is our High Priest in the NEW Covenant. Ministering from the heavenly sanctuary, not an earthy one.

Why it’s best not to pluck out a verse here and there, one loses all context. We can make our Bibles say anything, but it’s not God’s Truth. We are only sanctified by God’s Truth John17:17 and only He can sanctify us Eze 20:12

 

[Abraham1st]

Yet Jesus says depart from Me, ye those who practice lawlessness. (without law) Mat7:23

Is this what Paul is teaching to lead people to their destruction or is this type of teaching the exact warning we were given 2Peter3:16

I would show the context, but I know it wouldn't make a difference. You do not want to keep God's laws, that's fine, that's your choice. Paul speaks of this Rom8:7-8 I am going to stick with what Jesus said If you love Me, keep My commandments John14:15 I love Jesus.

Jesus never says lawlessness, that is a Jewish teaching. Whether you are a Jew or not it makes no difference, what Jesus says is iniquity, which of course is all who do not believe in Christ, first the Jew and then the Gentile. The law that i had by the Gentiles is its righteousness, not its punishments, but those parts of loving your neighbour as yourselves.


Mark 12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Jesus never says lawlessness, that is a Jewish teaching. Whether you are a Jew or not it makes no difference, what Jesus says is iniquity, which of course is all who do not believe in Christ, first the Jew and then the Gentile. The law that i had by the Gentiles is its righteousness, not its punishments, but those parts of loving your neighbour as yourselves.


Mark 12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Mat 7:23

1. the condition of without law
   1. because ignorant of it
   2. because of violating it
2. contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
ἀνομία anomía, an-om-ee'-ah; from G459; illegality, i.e. violation of law or (genitive case) wickedness:—iniquity, × transgress(-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.

STRONGS G458:
ἀνομία, -ας, ἡ, (ἄνομος);
1. properly, the condition of one without law — either because ignorant of it, or because violating it.
2. contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness: Matthew 23:28; Matthew 24:12; 2 Thessalonians 2:8 (T Tr text WH text; cf. ἁμαρτία, 1, p. 30f), 2 Thessalonians 2:7; Titus 2:14; 1 John 3:4. opposed to ἡ δικαιοσύνη, 2 Corinthians 6:14; Hebrews 1:9 [not Tdf.] (Xenophon, mem. 1, 2, 24 ἀνομία μᾶλλον ἤδικαιοσύνη χρώμενοι); and to ἡ δικαιοσύνη and ὁ ἁγιασμός, Romans 6:19 (τῇἀνομία εἰς τὴν ἀνομίαν to iniquity — personified — in order to work iniquity);

It means the same thing being without law- He said what happens with this teachings Mat5:19 Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 1John2:4 Rev22:15 Mat7:21-23, but many believe in Jesus, just not His words. John 12:48

 

[Abraham1st]

Rom 3:19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become [a]guilty before God.

Under the laws means being guilty before God or under the penalty of the law, It does not mean one doesn't need to keep the law and disobey Jesus and His teachings. Mat5:19 Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 Mat19:17-19 Mat5:19-30 etc

It does not mean we can sin and break God's law 1John3:4 James2:11

You keep making your attempts but cant get anywhere, which means you are bringing discord. ( lawlessness which is against what you are trying to assert and insert.)..


Proverbs 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.


Being under the law means being under its punishments, and its death. Why else would we need to be free from the law, unless it has nothing good for us in punishment, cruelty, like putting people to death and death for all ion the end too.


Sin is in that law, that is why all under the law die. Does anyone in judaism under the law and denying Christ as Messiah live, whatever they think they can do, no, so law is nothing, faith in Christ is all.


Neither should you keep quoting your one verse of 1 John 3:4.

Here is the full summary just for you. We have to believe in the purity of faith and believe in the purity of Christ and believe in being purified by Him, because if we do not, we are under the law without that faith, and that law of no faith is sin. Christ is manifested preached on in the world to be believed by the Gentiles, not the Jews under that law, and we know that Christ the Lamb of God is our sinless sacrifice to the Father, if we abide in Christ we do not sin, not because we keep a law that Jews sin in, that would be silly as they are to reject Christ, but to be righteous as Christ is, not by the righteousness you are trying to promote and as the Jews go about to establish their own in the law, but by being in the declared righteousness of Christ, and those who commit sin ( those under the law as seen in all the Jews in Israsel right now by the world) are of the devil, and Jesus Christ wass manifested to destroy those works ( UNDER THE LAW) of the devil.


1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

 

[Abraham1st]

Thats singular. Jesus speaks of keeping the commandments over and over again. Does one teaching delete another? That would be confusing, just pick the one verse we like and delete all the other teachings of Jesus Christ Mat5:19-30 John14:15 John15:10 1John5:3 Exo20:6

How do we believe in Jesus but not His teachings? I am pretty sure that's what we have been warned against Heb3:7-19 Rev14:12 John 12:48

The Bible explains what it means to believe. Jesus explains it too

John 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?

What did Jesus say to do, it was this..


John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

 

[Hentenza]

The law of Moses was added because of transgression placed outside the ark of the covenant as a witness against as it held all the curses for breaking God's laws Deut 31:24-26. God gave Moses the other laws, and of course the law of Moses includes the Ten Commandments because God's saints (saved) keep God's commandments Rev 14:12

The law can't save us as we have all sinned and broke God's laws. The law shows us what is right and wrong Psa 119:172 and shows us our sins Rom 3:20 Rom7:7 and shows we need a Savior. The law points us to Christ and though Him and our love and faith we can keep the commandments John 14:15-18 abiding in Him John15:10. That said no one is saved in their sins Pro28:13 Heb10:26-30 We need a conversion in Christ turning from our old ways of sin, living a new life of Christ having our Fathers laws written in our hearts and minds, keeping them because of our great love of Him, and through His power

The commandments are kept as a result of salvation, not a means to it.

Rev 14:12 Here is the [a]patience of the saints; here[b] are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

This is the faith that reconciles us

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

This is quite a departure from what you have been arguing and I must say that I agree with most of what you wrote here. What remains needing explanation is your argument that the fourth commandment is a moral commandment and that those that don’t keep it are showing evidence that they are not saved. You were quite adamant before that keeping this commandment as it has “always” been kept is necessary for salvation. I argue that since Christ is our rest, and since we are not under the law regarding the keeping of the Sabbath, that this commandment is not a moral commandment and not applicable to the Christian. So what says you?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

What did Jesus say to do, it was this..


John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

You just said the law ended. Now you are saying we should love our neighbor as ourself. So which is it, the law ended, or we need to love our neighbor? Do we no longer need to love God with all our heart? That would be another law. Does the summary of the law destroy all of the details so we can murder, steal, commit adultery, worship other gods, vain God’s holy name and disregard the teaching and life of Jesus Christ on what He taught Mat5:19-30 Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13?

 

[Abraham1st]

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

God keeps His promises not altering His words - how could He, its settled in heaven Psa119:89 where God's Testimony is, the Ten Commandments under His mercy seat, Rev 15:5 Rev 11:19 His standard of Judgement Ecc12:13-14 James 2:11-12 Rev 11:18-19 Rev22:14-15

The words are altered, because they had to be preached, but only to HIs sheep, not to Israel...


John 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Romans 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

 

[Abraham1st]

The law can't save us as we have all sinned and broke God's laws. The law shows us what is right and wrong Psa 119:172 and shows us our sins Rom 3:20 Rom7:7 and shows we need a Savior. The law points us to Christ and though Him and our love and faith we can keep the commandments John 14:15-18 abiding in Him John15:10. That said no one is saved in their sins Pro28:13 Heb10:26-30 We need a conversion in Christ turning from our old ways of sin, living a new life of Christ having our Fathers laws written in our hearts and minds, keeping them because of our great love of Him, and through His power

The commandments are kept as a result of salvation, not a means to it.

Rev 14:12 Here is the [a]patience of the saints; here[b] are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

This is the faith that reconciles us

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

The law shows judaism what is right and wrong, such as it is right to believe in your Messiah and wrong to kil Him. So the law had to go, now Jesus Christ taught all that was right and the Gentiles believed as told in the law and the Jews did not, as also told in the same law.

 

[Abraham1st]

Sorry I do not use Paul's teaching isolated out of context, to teach against the promises of God. Psa 89:34 Mat5:18 -19 and Pauls other teachings Rom 7:7 Rom 7:12 Rom 7:22, Rom 7:25 Rom 8:4, 7,8 1 Cor7:19 Rom2:13, 21,22,23 etc If that's your desire and think we are better off in a man-made lawless society disregarding everything the God of the Universe said and taught though the life of Jesus, that's fine. I truly believe it’s why we have this warning 2Peter3:16. I know we won't be able to reason together so I am going to just say agree to disagree, but wish you well.

This thread is not about lawlessness. (law is gone, without law) Please start a new thread for this topic if you want to continue. Thanks

yes we are better off than the Jews in Israel killing mercilessly as no love of God is in their heart, only by the hearting of faith, not hearing of the law which has no faith.


Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This is quite a departure from what you have been arguing and I must say that I agree with most of what you wrote here. What remains needing explanation is your argument that the fourth commandment is a moral commandment and that those that don’t keep it are showing evidence that they are not saved. You were quite adamant before that keeping this commandment as it has “always” been kept is necessary for salvation. I argue that since Christ is our rest, and since we are not under the law regarding the keeping of the Sabbath, that this commandment is not a moral commandment and not applicable to the Christian. So what says you?

Not at all, nothing changed from my beliefs. But you are free to give me an example by my posts.

Before I answer the question on the 4th commandment (again) I am sure we have discussed this at length previously, who decides what is moral, us or God? Is something God deems as doing righteous moral?

 

[Abraham1st]

Your commentary does not match the Scriptures. The condemnation of the law is death Rom6:23 not the priesthood.

The law of the priesthood had to change because it tells us in Hebrews.

Heb 4:11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law (Deut 31:24-26)), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.


What law?

13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has [b]officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning [c]priesthood.

The ministration of the priesthood in the law of Moses came from the tribe of Levi because they were the only tribe that was faithful when Moses went up to receive God’s written covenant and Testimony.

Jesus came from the tribe of Judah, not Levi, why it was necessary for the law to be changed the law of the priesthood since Jesus is our High Priest in the NEW Covenant. Ministering from the heavenly sanctuary, not an earthy one.

Why it’s best not to pluck out a verse here and there, one loses all context. We can make our Bibles say anything, but it’s not God’s Truth. We are only sanctified by God’s Truth John17:17 and only He can sanctify us Eze 20:12

the priesthood gives the law, and the law is under the pristhood/Highpriest, now we are under a different high priest.



Hebrews 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

Hebrews 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.





The law changed as it comes by faith, not by your words, so you bring dispute not truth.



1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[Abraham1st]

It means the same thing being without law- He said what happens with this teachings Mat5:19 Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 1John2:4 Rev22:15 Mat7:21-23, but many believe in Jesus, just not His words. John 12:48

strongs is not faith, to be without faith is to be in iniquity, as to not have faith in Christ is to be in sin. We have to be made free we cant make ourselves free.


John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

 

[Abraham1st]

You just said the law ended. Now you are saying we should love our neighbor as ourself. So which is it, the law ended, or we need to love our neighbor? Do we no longer need to love God with all our heart? That would be another law. Does the summary of the law destroy all of the details so we can murder, steal, commit adultery, worship other gods, vain God’s holy name and disregard the teaching and life of Jesus Christ on what He taught Mat5:19-30 Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13?

nobody under the law believed in loving their neighbour as they were without faith, that is why it is testified...


Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

the priesthood gives the law, and the law is under the pristhood/Highpriest, now we are under a different high priest.



Hebrews 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

Hebrews 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

Yes, thats what I said.

The law changed as it comes by faith, not by your words, so you bring dispute not truth.

Nothing to do with the priesthood law changing so Jesus could be our High Priest

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Nothing to do with the priesthood law changing so Jesus could be our High Priest .

Sorry I can’t keep up with all the random verses you are throwing out, It’s lost all meaning to context so this will be my last post to you. I do wish you well. Take care

 

[Abraham1st]

Yes, thats what I said.

Nothing to do with the priesthood law changing so Jesus could be our High Priest

Nothing to do with the priesthood law changing so Jesus could be our High Priest .

Sorry I can’t keep up with all the random verses you are throwing out, It’s lost all meaning to context so this will be my last post to you. I do wish you well. Take care

the priesthood changed, and the law with it, its not difficult to understand, even a child would, and what changed was faith, which was neither in the priesthood nor the law.

 

[Abraham1st]

maybe everyone can notice this is a thread for dispute not for edification, and that it is also well answered by faith, against suggestions of law.