Israel and the New Covenant.

[childeye 2]

Still doesn't say we are guilty before God based on judging others.

This is a strawman argument. I didn't say it said that nor even implied that "we are Guilty before God based on judging others". I said that it "conveys" hypocritical judgement is coming out of the mouth because There is none righteous, no, not one.

This passage is not about judging others and that makes us guilty before God.

I never said nor implied this.

I am ok agreeing to disagree

When it's a strawman argument it's not either.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This is a strawman argument. I didn't say it said that nor even implied that we are Guilty before God based on judging others. I said that it "conveys" hypocritical judgement is coming out of the mouth because There is none righteous, no, not one.

I'm sorry, I misunderstood. In the context I agree, there is no one righteous, not one. All of our righteousness comes from God through faith. My apologies again.

He said, "...that every mouth may be stopped and the whole world become guilty...." <-- If all are guilty, people would stop thinking they're better than others, and subsequently they should stop judging hypocritically.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

God's covenants are with Israel. The New Covenant is also made with Israel.

The first covenant

He spoke to the Nation of Israel. He spoke the Ten Commandments, codified it with His own finger and added no more to them Deut5:22

Exo 34: 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Sadly the covenant was broken before Moses could deliver the written Testimony of God because there was a delay. So God re-wrote the exact words on stone again. Deut 10:4

This cannot be a clearer expression of God's will, written by God, spoken by God, His Testimony under His mercy seat where judgement and mercy will come together soon. Rev11:18-19

Because Israel did not continue in the covenant because they broke it. God keeps His promises and said He would not alter His words of the covenant Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18. So in His longsuffering for mankind, He writes a New Covenant, not established on the old promises of the people doing Exo 19:8 it is established on the better promises Heb 8:6 of what He will do. Heb8:10 Instead of writing His covenant in stone, He writes them in the hearts and minds of His people. Still made to Isarel.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

If we are God's people, we are in a Covenant relationship with God and heirs to the promises Gal 3:26-29. If we are in a Covenant relationship with God, we have His laws (His version) from written on stone (external) to written in the heart (internal- part of who we are) 2 Cor3:3 God keeping His promises Psa89:34 Mat5:18 based on Him doing Heb8:10 John14:15-18

So what does Israel mean?

God gives us these answers....

Exo 4:22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the LORD: "Israel is My son, My firstborn.
Hos 11:1 "When Israel was a child, I loved him, And out of Egypt I called My son.

Israel is God's son, His firstborn. If Israel was literal it would mean Adam. Obviously its not literal as it represents God's people.

Who is the true Israel?

Mat 2:14 When he arose, he took the young Child and His mother by night and departed for Egypt,
Mat 2:15 and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, "OUT OF EGYPT I CALLED MY SON."

Christ is the true fulfillment of Israel.

Christ is the Vine, we are the branches and Gentiles are grafted into Christ or Israel (God's people) through faith

Gal 3:7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Rom 11:11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles
Rom 11:12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
Rom 11:14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them.
Rom 11:15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
Rom 11:11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree,
Rom 11:18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
Rom 11:19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in."
Rom 11:20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.
Rom 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.

The only way we are part of God's Israel is through faith. Tuning out all of the noise of the world and following what God of the Bible says.
Jesus makes it so clear we need to be connected to the Vine. And of course those who have not rebelled against the new covenant Rom8:7-8 and keep His commandments as they have God's laws written in their hearts and minds, His version because He is God Exo31:18 Deut4:13, not mans edited version against the will of God Deut4:2 Psa89:34 Mat5:18 Isa56:6

Joh 15:1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
Joh 15:2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
Joh 15:3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.
Joh 15:4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
Joh 15:5 "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
Joh 15:6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
Joh 15:7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.
Joh 15:8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.
Joh 15:9 "As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love.
Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.


1Jn 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
1Jn 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.


1Jn 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Lets enter into the New Covenant by faith. Having our Fathers laws written in our hearts and minds obeying Him and His Testimony which there is no One greater, through our love and faith.

These are the saints that will enter into the gates of heaven.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Lets get back to what the God of the Bible and Universe Rev14:7 Exo20:11 says before its too late Rev18:4 Rev22:11

Why leave out the very verse that tells us what His commandments are? OK. Well here it is. Thanks for sharing.


1 John 3:22-24
22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Be blessed.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Why leave out the very verse that tells us what His commandments are? OK. Well here it is. Thanks for sharing.


1 John 3:22-24
22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Be blessed.

Thats singular. Jesus speaks of keeping the commandments over and over again. Does one teaching delete another? That would be confusing, just pick the one verse we like and delete all the other teachings of Jesus Christ Mat5:19-30 John14:15 John15:10 1John5:3 Exo20:6

How do we believe in Jesus but not His teachings? I am pretty sure that's what we have been warned against Heb3:7-19 Rev14:12 John 12:48

The Bible explains what it means to believe. Jesus explains it too

John 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Thats singular. Jesus speaks of keeping the commandments over and over again. Does one teaching delete another? That would be confusing, just pick the one verse we like and delete all the other teachings of Jesus Christ Mat5:19-30 John14:15 John15:10 1John5:3 Exo20:6

How do we believe in Jesus but not His teachings? I am pretty sure that's what we have been warned against Heb3:7-19 Rev14:12 John 12:48

The Bible explains what it means to believe. Jesus explains it too

John 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?

Ok, so it does not fit in the paradigm in your OP. Understood.

Thanks for clarifying!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Ok, so it does not fit in the paradigm in your OP. Understood.

Thanks for clarifying!

Can you explain what you mean? Are you indicating that I do not believe that we need to believe in Jesus? You never addressed anything. Can you answer how does one believe in Jesus but not His teachings? Seems like an oxymoron.

This is what Jesus says

John 12:48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

How do we believe Jesus but not His spoken (and written) words? Did Jesus teach we just need to keep one commandment and can profane all of His others, including the ones under His mercy seat in heaven? His own written and spoken Testimony?

Thats something we will have to stand before Jesus one day soon. Sadly many reduce belief as in I just need to believe and be saved. Jesus in His own words said many believers- those calling Him Lord Lord, will not enter His Kingdom only those who does the will of the Father Mat7:21-23 Psa40:8

Rev22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Can you explain what you mean? Are you indicating that I do not believe that we need to believe in Jesus? You never addressed anything. Can you answer how does one believe in Jesus but not His teachings? Seems like an oxymoron.

This is what Jesus says

John 12:48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

How do we believe Jesus but not His spoken (and written) word?

Thats something we will have to stand before Jesus one day soon. Sadly many reduce belief as in I just need to believe and be saved. Jesus in His own words said many believers- those calling Him Lord Lord, will not enter His Kingdom only those who does the will of the Father Mat7:21-23 Psa40:8

I dont understand your concern. This has nothing to do with our core belief in Jesus Christ of Nazareth. This has to do with the law and the New Covenant.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I dont understand your concern. This has nothing to do with our core belief in Jesus Christ of Nazareth. This has to do with the law and the New Covenant.

The OP addressed this clearly. There is not just a law in the NC- God wrote His laws and what changed is the location and better promises. 2Cor3:3 Heb8:6,10 God always keeps His promises Psa89:34 Mat5:18 wished more people believed His words. Unbelief is a huge issue, that's spoken of a lot in Scriptures. It relates to sin, disobedience and rebellion Heb3:7-19

Who defines God's laws, God or man. God declared His laws in the most awesome way, not written by a human being, written by God Himself Deut4:13 Exo31:18 under His mercy seat where I personally would not want to remove a jot or tittle on what He covers. Exo20:6 James2:11-12 Rev15:5 Rev11:19 If we can't believe God's own Testimony, not sure the point of the Bible as that's what its for to testify of God through the apostles and prophets,

 

[Maria Billingsley]

The OP addressed this clearly. There is not just a law in the NC- God wrote His laws and what changed is the location and better promises.Heb8:6,10 God always keeps His promises Psa89:34 Mat5:18 which more people believed His words.

Ok. What laws did He write in our hearts?
All 613 or just the 10?
Thank you in advance for clarifying, because this has always been a stumbling block for me when discussing the Law and the New Covenant.
Blessings

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Ok. What laws did He write in our hearts?
All 613 or just the 10?
Thank you in advance for clarifying, because this has always been a stumbling block for me when discussing the Law and the New Covenant.
Blessings

613 is an un-Biblical number- God only numbered one set of laws. God tells us plainly what is His covenant

Exo 34: 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

God promised He would not alter the words of His covenant

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

The New Covenant is established on better promises, not new or better laws.

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

God keeps His promises not altering His words - how could He, its settled in heaven Psa119:89 where God's Testimony is, the Ten Commandments under His mercy seat, Rev 15:5 Rev 11:19 His standard of Judgement Ecc12:13-14 James 2:11-12 Rev 11:18-19 Rev22:14-15

They went from written on stone (eternal) to written on the heart (internal) being kept based on what God will do Heb8:10 John14:15-18 if we do not rebel Rom8:7-8

2 Cor 3:3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

The Ten Commandments are exceedingly broad Psa 119:96 as Jesus explained quoting from the Ten Mat5:19-30

The law of Moses is everything else placed outside the ark Deut26:24-26 added because of sin Gal3:19. If everyone was keeping the Ten Commandments the way Jesus explained them as He came to magnify the law Isa 42:21 there would be no more sin in the world. Its why the devil attacks God's laws so much, he wants to keep us in sin 1John3:8 Jesus came to save us from sin Mat1:21 and we can through abiding in Him and His word. John15:5-10 1 John2:3-6 following His example 1John2:6 1Peter 2:21-22 Heb4:15

 

[Maria Billingsley]

613 is an un-Biblical number- God only numbered one set of laws. God tells us plainly what is His covenant

Exo 34: 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

God promised He would not alter the words of His covenant

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

The New Covenant is established on better promises, not new or better laws.

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

God keeps His promises not altering His words - how could He, its settled in heaven Psa119:89 where God's Testimony is, the Ten Commandments under His mercy seat, Rev 15:5 Rev 11:19 His standard of Judgement Ecc12:13-14 James 2:11-12 Rev 11:18-19 Rev22:14-15

They went from written on stone (eternal) to written on the heart (internal) being kept based on what God will do Heb8:10 John14:15-18 if we do not rebel Rom8:7-8

2 Cor 3:3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

The Ten Commandments are exceedingly broad Psa 119:96 as Jesus explained quoting from the Ten Mat5:19-30

The law of Moses is everything else placed outside the ark Deut26:24-26. If everyone was keeping the Ten Commandments the way Jesus explained them as He came to magnify the law Isa 42:21 there would be no more sin in the world. Its why the devil attacks God's laws so much, he wants to keep us in sin 1John3:8 Jesus came to save us from sin Mat1:21 and we can through Him. John15:5-10

Ok so just the 10 which are part of the 613.
That clears that. So if a Christian keeps all 10 Commandments does this indicate they are saved? Or is it a result of being saved because His Holy Spirit directs the believer to do so?

 

[Abraham1st]

2 Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Thats right. God took His laws from tables of stone to tablets of the heart, the New Covenant Heb8:10. The placement changed, not the words God keeping His promises Psa89:34 Mat5:18 based on what He will do Heb8:10 through our faith and love John14:15-18 John15:10 Rev 14:12 which reconciles us Rev22:14

Why its sin to break the least of these commandments in the NC and one would be in fear of sin and judgement Mat5:19-30 1John3:4 James 2:11 Rom7:7 Rev11:18-19 Mat7:23 Rev22:14-15 1John2:4

God took the epistle of Christ, to our heart, which is Christ to our heart, and the law of Christ is the law of faith. ( there is no place for a table of stone in the heart of flesh, that table of stone only belongs in those with hearts of stone/those under the law)


Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Galatians 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

 

[Abraham1st]

Paul needed to see it, are you saying Paul didn't have faith?

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

if we do not have God's laws written in our hearts, who are we serving? Theres only two choices. Rom6:16 Mat12:30

Paul also says the law is gone in Romans 7.

Romans 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

 

[Abraham1st]

The devil often uses semantics to cause division. I'm saying that the distinction should be made that in the New Covenant we don't need the letter of the law telling us how to love others as a tutor, but we do need the Holy Spirit telling us how to Love others as ourselves.

2 Corinthians 4:7
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

We already know how to love ourselves, by our own love, now that the love of God is given into us by the Holy Ghost we know how to love others as well, that was the purpose of the love of God shed into our hearts, not telling us, ( as we dont need to be told how to love ourselves) but so we feel love to all others as God does, and is not self seeking but is charity.


Romans 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Romans 12:16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

1 Corinthians 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

Philippians 2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

Philippians 4:2 I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche, that they be of the same mind in the Lord.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Ok so just the 10 which are part of the 613.

The Ten Commandments is a standalone unit. Not written by man- written by God. What was placed inside the ark under His mercy seat Exo 25:21 Exo 40:20


Exo 34: 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

No more was added to the Ten Commandments

Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Its Gods Testimony, not Moses and our perfect God wrote a perfect Law- how could He not.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.
Psa 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul;
The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;

The law of Moses was added because of transgression placed outside the ark of the covenant as a witness against as it held all the curses for breaking God's laws Deut 31:24-26. God gave Moses the other laws, and of course the law of Moses includes the Ten Commandments because God's saints (saved) keep God's commandments Rev 14:12

That clears that. So if a Christian keeps all 10 Commandments does this indicate they are saved?

The law can't save us as we have all sinned and broke God's laws. The law shows us what is right and wrong Psa 119:172 and shows us our sins Rom 3:20 Rom7:7 and shows we need a Savior. The law points us to Christ and though Him and our love and faith we can keep the commandments John 14:15-18 abiding in Him John15:10. That said no one is saved in their sins Pro28:13 Heb10:26-30 We need a conversion in Christ turning from our old ways of sin, living a new life of Christ having our Fathers laws written in our hearts and minds, keeping them because of our great love of Him, and through His power

Or is it a result of being saved because His Holy Spirit directs the believer to do so?

The commandments are kept as a result of salvation, not a means to it.

Rev 14:12 Here is the [a]patience of the saints; here[b] are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

This is the faith that reconciles us

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Paul also says the law is gone in Romans 7.

Romans 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Sorry I do not use Paul's teaching isolated out of context, to teach against the promises of God. Psa 89:34 Mat5:18 -19 and Pauls other teachings Rom 7:7 Rom 7:12 Rom 7:22, Rom 7:25 Rom 8:4, 7,8 1 Cor7:19 Rom2:13, 21,22,23 etc If that's your desire and think we are better off in a man-made lawless society disregarding everything the God of the Universe said and taught though the life of Jesus, that's fine. I truly believe it’s why we have this warning 2Peter3:16. I know we won't be able to reason together so I am going to just say agree to disagree, but wish you well.

This thread is not about lawlessness. (law is gone, without law) Please start a new thread for this topic if you want to continue. Thanks

 

[Abraham1st]

According to Scripture God's laws makes up God's character. So if God is telling us what is righteous Psa 119:172 which means moral, and His laws reflect His character, which we are to become like the character of God. Either we have His character written in our minds and hearts, or we are serving another master. Rom6:16

If we are removing God's laws from our hearts and minds, which reflects the character of God- whose character are we replacing His with.

If we do not magnify the law it is not honourable, so Christ magnified it by preaching peace, correcting those of the law, rescuing those condemned by the law from those following the law, gave the parables those o the law aided in by also killing Christ as they did to their own prophets, and the cross is preached. ( a stumbling block to the Jews in al, as it is entirely faith, not law whatsoever. a new law, of Christ, of faith)

 

[Abraham1st]

So if an angel comes to me and says, "God says it's totally fine to fantasize sexually about someone because you aren't actually doing anything," by the rules in place and the standard God set, I can go to scripture and know that isn't true. I know what is wrong because God told us what is wrong. I have to know what is wrong in the first place in order to realize I'm dammed to hell without God.

What is wrong is the first law, was to be all adulterers..


Jeremiah 9:2 Oh that I had in the wilderness a lodging place of wayfaring men; that I might leave my people, and go from them! for they be all adulterers, an assembly of treacherous men.

Hosea 7:4 They are all adulterers, as an oven heated by the baker, who ceaseth from raising after he hath kneaded the dough, until it be leavened.



But now that FAITH was preached, which proves the law was NOT OF FAITH, we see how to control your eyes...



Isaiah 52:15 So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.

Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

 

[Abraham1st]

So you agree that there HAS to be a moral law then, which goes against your point that somehow, something else (God's love) supersedes the law, if by your own statement it is a testimony "against" us. God's love doesn't supersede his own law. God didn't abolish his own Jewish law, he fulfilled the requirements. So the same argument can be applied as a means of the moral law. He didn't abolish the moral law either. That means the law is still in place and if it's still in place, Jesus himself said if you love him, you will follow his commandments (aka, moral law).

The world of Gentiles has been called, and the world of Jews have their religious law, it serves nothing to do circumcision or any feast kept or sabbath days, while unbelief in Jesus Christ as Lord is stubbornly held by the world of Jews.

So faith believed in Christ was given, because God gives mercy on who He will but that mercy is not on the Jews, and why would it, enough was given they have Moses and the law....



Luke 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

 

[Abraham1st]

Paul said the law is holy, righteous and good. Rom7:12

Is God’s holiness, righteousness and goodness weak? Do you really want to stick with that narrative?

If reading in context and Paul is tricky to understand, but it doesn’t say the law is weak, it says its weak THROUGH THE FLESH meaning in our strength. When are we ever not to be holy, righteous or good. The devil always flips things and sad this is such a popular teaching.


What law is Paul referring to? He tells us. The law of SIN and DEATH- the wages of Sin (breaking God's law is death Rom6:23)

What is happening to those who walk in the Spirit according to Paul?

that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled (keeping) in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”

The right doing of the law is FULFILLED in us to those who walk according to the Spirit. Rom7:22 For I delight in the law of Godaccording to the inward man

You missed the verse below Romans 7:12, to give a better context.


How can a law that brings death to all people be good ? You either are a killer or you must be a little confused. Lets go with further consideration for you. The law is from God, God is holy, just and good, so God cant give a law that gives death forever, and no righteousness, right ?

So the law served its purpose, of the world guilty before God. It cant be a good law that also has the world guilty, can it ? That was the necessity of a new law, and that came by the PRIESTHOOD being changed, and then the old law cant exist any longer under a new priesthood, or there would not be a new priesthood. Now that righteousness and life could not be by the law, it is entirely by a new and living way, belief in the living God, which the Jews in Judiasm cant have, because we have to have belief in Christ that it is He that is the living Lord God. ( alive from the dead) That was the weakness of the law, it is not good or righteous to have us all kept guilty and in death, which is the first priesthood and the current death the Jews only have.


Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Galatians 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Hebrews 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;