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No reasonable deal would be accepted when those "across the aisle" (Schumer and his friends) are willing to play politics with the paychecks of 750,000 workers.
Johnson & Trump want to get rid of them altogether, so it's not like the GOP cares about the workers in the slightest.

Schumer is trying to prevent the GOP from taking away people's healthcare, which is a bigger battle. Those paychecks wouldn't be delayed if the GOP were reasonable.
 
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Neither side can make a moral claim to anything. They are so entrenched in their polarization they cannot even communicate anymore, much less cooperate. And the president only makes it worse. This is such poor leadership I really doubt there is much hope for anything anymore. He is too focused on revenge and the “enemy within”. And the Republican just enable his childish behavior. The Dems cannot do much else but refuse to participate. They certainty need new leadership also.

Vance wants slimmer generals, good grief!
 
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Yay! Let's use warped MAGA politics to UNWIND centuries of progress towards a gracious, caring welfare state!
Centuries? The welfare state didn't start until after 1925.

We dont need or want a welfare state.

We need to help those who are truly needy. Far too many Americans aren't really needy and are still on the taxpayers dole.

Compassion is not in handouts when they cause dependency.

There are those that REALLY need our help. I'm happy to give it. But I bet we could cut our welfare in half through work and education programs. We could end up not needing all those illegals.
 
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Quick question - if the Republicans are in control of both houses of Congress, how could the Democrats force a shutdown?

Why not just vote to keep it open?
Their majority isn’t large enough.
 
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Centuries? The welfare state didn't start until after 1925.

We dont need or want a welfare state.

We need to help those who are truly needy. Far too many Americans aren't really needy and are still on the taxpayers dole.

Compassion is not in handouts when they cause dependency.

There are those that REALLY need our help. I'm happy to give it. But I bet we could cut our welfare in half through work and education programs. We could end up not needing all those illegals.
Quite right. It is a basic tenet of Neoliberalism that a worker should receive no benefits except from the hand of his employer.
 
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I bet we could cut our welfare in half through work and education programs.
Shame those are also eroded over the years isn’t it? Someone should do something about it.
 
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States won by Trump in 2024 have received more ACA premium tax credits, and had more enrollment growth, since the subsidies were expanded. This year, 18.7 million (77%) of the total 24.3 million ACA Marketplace enrollees live in states President Trump won in the 2024 election.

Additionally, 80% of all premium tax credits ($115 billion) went to ACA Marketplace enrollees in Trump-won states.

 
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Johnson & Trump want to get rid of them altogether, so it's not like the GOP cares about the workers in the slightest.
Attempting to get the budget under control by getting rid of wasteful spending is what's needed. Non-essential government employers aren't needed.

Schumer is trying to prevent the GOP from taking away people's healthcare, which is a bigger battle. Those paychecks wouldn't be delayed if the GOP were reasonable.
People who aren't here legally, yes. At a cost of 1.5 Trillion dollars.
 
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Quite right. It is a basic tenet of Neoliberalism that a worker should receive no benefits except from the hand of his employer.
I didn't say anything about benefits from employers. In fact I said we SHOULD help those who are truly needy.
 
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Shame those are also eroded over the years isn’t it? Someone should do something about it.
I agree. Helping people to get the occupational education and experience is critical in getting people involved in their own life. Real compassion is helping people to be independent and not dependent. When one is dependent it creates an atmosphere where they can be taken advantage of by those who want to encourage their victimhood. This builds resentment, insecurity, and a feeling they cannot succeed and are helpless. Being independent builds confidence, security, self esteem and helps them see the opportunities before them.
 
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I didn't say anything about benefits from employers. In fact I said we SHOULD help those who are truly needy.
But not routine benefits like health care. It's pretty clear that you think health insurance should be an employment benefit or a private purchase but not a government program.
 
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I agree. Helping people to get the occupational education and experience is critical in getting people involved in their own life. Real compassion is helping people to be independent and not dependent. When one is dependent it creates an atmosphere where they can be taken advantage of by those who want to encourage their victimhood. This builds resentment, insecurity, and a feeling they cannot succeed and are helpless. Being independent builds confidence, security, self esteem and helps them see the opportunities before them.
Are you sure you want that? Confidence and self esteem is what helps workers form unions and see the opportunity to stick it to their employers.
 
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Are you sure you want that? Confidence and self esteem is what helps workers form unions and see the opportunity to stick it to their employers.
If they truly felt confident, they wouldn't need to form a "union", which is often simply a mob meant to bully their employer into things that puts them out of business, and the employees out of jobs. Confidence means being able to stand on your own two feet and take your skills to a different job if you're so confident.
 
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But not routine benefits like health care.
Not necessarily.
It's pretty clear that you think health insurance should be an employment benefit or a private purchase but not a government program.
I think that the majority of the problem of the cost of health care is BECAUSE of health insurance.

No I'm not sold on government healthcare in the US. Its a very big country and the cost would be ENORMOUS. I dont think Americans are ready for the tax structure it would take to make it work or the other issues that would surround it.

I certainly don't have all the answers to this issue. And simply saying, well it works in Denmark, doeant mean it would here.
 
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I didn't say anything about benefits from employers. In fact I said we SHOULD help those who are truly needy.
And. of course, the working poor are not truly needy--is that it?
 
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No I'm not sold on government healthcare in the US. Its a very big country and the cost would be ENORMOUS. I dont think Americans are ready for the tax structure it would take to make it work or the other issues that would surround it.
The cost would be enormous, but we're already paying an enormous amount for healthcare. As an example, my health insurance costs about $700/month, and it's not even that good - I have a fairly high deductible. My employer covers most of it as a benefit to me, but that doesn't change the amount being spent.
 
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