Israel and the New Covenant.

[SabbathBlessings]

To be saved, Christ had to go through the law keeper Jews to only care about our Lord Jesus Christ offending them if Jesus or anyone was on the cross on the sabbath high day, that was their love and concern, total wickedness.

John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.


But to be saved, Jesus Christ is a stumblngblock to that hatred, because the cross is foolishness to all who dont believe in Jesus Christ being dead then risen again.


The commandment of Christ is to love as He did, not as the Jews were to be concerned by nothing, but to be concefrned by others suffering, and to lay our lives down for our friends/the brothers.


1 Corinthians 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;



John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

1 John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.



As for rest, it is by belief, not ours by that of Christ to confirm the promises given to Abraham, which he also had being uncircumcised. To be saved is not what was done in the law, but what Jesus Christ did and for us to believe in that, that is the rest that Christ entered into and what was glorious, after He suffered and rose again.



Romans 4:12And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

Romans 4L20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Isaiah 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Love does not delete the commandment to not worship other gods. Love does not delete the commandment to not bow to false idols. Love does not delete the commandment not vain His holy name. Love does not mean we can profane God and break His holy Sabbath day.

Love to God is keeping His commandments

1 John5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Sadly, what people have been taught that we can define love instead of God is leading people down the wrong path of sin, unbelief and rebellion Heb3:7-19

 

[childeye 2]

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Okay, so yes, I have no place to boast for it is the Spirit of God that sanctifies me, not my flesh performing the works of the letter of the law.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

 

[Delvianna]

Abraham believed God and obeyed and went into the land of Canaan. Abraham is given the promises, and this is what is important, because Christ confirmed those promises. Abraham also offered his only son to God when called to offer hm as sacrifice on the alter, receiving him as a figure. ( to Christ.)

These parts are important, because all is about Christ, this is here the blessing from the curse comes from, and why we are to believe in Christ having to be made a curse for us, while hanged on the tree. So without Abraham offering Isaac, the faith would not be perfect as it would be incomplete, and voided. The same as Jesus Christ, if He did not come into the world to confirm the promises made to the fathers, no righteousness would matter for Abraham or anyone else, as it is all in what our Lord Jesus Christ did.

in that same respect, Jesus commands us to love as He loved us, by the greater love to lay our lives down for our friends/the brothers, so faith that saves has to all go together, or it is incomplete and cannot work at all unless it is finished. ( all things are what saves)

Sure but that doesn't negate the fact that Jesus said, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments." (John 14:15). To argue that you can be "saved" by ignoring God's moral law and sin on a regular basis, is to ignore an array of verse that warn about lawless acts. The church of Laodicea is a prime example of people who think they are saved and need nothing, but aren't. He calls them "wretched".

 

[Abraham1st]

Love does not delete the commandment to not worship other gods. Love does not delete the commandment to not bow to false idols. Love does not delete the commandment not vain His holy name. Love does not mean we can profane God and break His holy Sabbath day.

Love to God is keeping His commandments

1 John5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Sadly, what people have been taught that we can define love instead of God is leading people down the wrong path of sin, unbelief and rebellion Heb3:7-19

Love does all, that is why we are saved from all curses in the law.

The love/work of God is to believe in Jesus Christ, that He died and rose again.

John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


That belief in your heart unto HIs righteousness, not the righteousness of the law the Jews go about to establish, means you also love others the way Christ loved us, as we are dead to sins in baptism and alive to God through the faith of Christ and quickened with Him in the Spirit ( the Spirit is the law written in the heart, through love and faith, the LAW ENDED.)


Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Galatians 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

 

[Delvianna]

Lawlessness cant increase without the law being in place, lawlessness was because of the law, that is why a new law went out from God, of the law written in the heart by the Spirit the new covenant from God, following/believing in Christ is to see how God from heaven loves us, while we are sinners/enemies in our mind to God by wicked works ( done by being under the law) but we become friends to God by believing He sent His Son to redeem us from the law, that held us dead.

You're conflating Jewish Law with Moral Law, just like Childeye. Moral law is what we write on our hearts, not the Jewish law. Lawlessness is literally sin IE: Breaking God's moral law.

"Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness." 1 John 3:4

 

[Abraham1st]

Okay, so yes, I have no place to boast for it is the Spirit of God that sanctifies me, not my flesh performing the works of the letter of the law.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

OK, if we do any law, it is to love, because as the love of God is shed into our hearts by the Spirit given to us, we know by heart how to not work ill against others, and do not need to be told again any more.

 

[Abraham1st]

Sure but that doesn't negate the fact that Jesus said, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments." (John 14:15). To argue that you can be "saved" by ignoring God's moral law and sin on a regular basis, is to ignore an array of verse that warn about lawless acts. The church of Laodicea is a prime example of people who think they are saved and need nothing, but aren't. He calls them "wretched".

If we walk by love/faith we dont do as the examples of people still working ill to others, but if we walk by law we will hurt others, as the law always hurt others, it was by the faith of Christ that, that law ended which worked wrath.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The letter is broken by faith, as the law is not of faith.


Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

There are more than one law in Scripture. We need to be careful with Paul's writings 2Peter3:16 especially plucking a verse here and there, never harmonizing with Jesus or the rest of Scripture including Pauls own writing.

The law that is SIN when breaking is the Ten Commandments 1John3:4 James 2:11 Rom7:7 which can't be the same law that was ADDED because of sin. If you read your bible in context this was the animal sacrifices because of sin that was added. That was written by Moses in a book placed outside the ark of the covenant as a witness against Deut31:24-26

Most who use Gal3:24 have never even kept God's laws as the schoolmaster to lead them to Christ,. They skip it and think they are in Christ. If we are in Christ, does Christ say we can break His commandments? He taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat5:19 and keeping our rules over obeying the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Jesus said, one worships Him in vain Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-19. This is not faith, but rebellion. Jesus could not condemn this practice more He said it leads one who teaches and follows into a ditch. Mat15:14 Faith is someone who hears the word of God and does it. James1:22 Rev22:14 1John 2:5

Jesus Christ shows us what righteousness is, it is His righteousness that is declared, not that of the law.


Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Another Paul verse taken out of context.

Is Paul teaching to be an enmity to God and not keep His laws Rom8:7-8

Just keep reading a bit further, this cannot be made any clearer

Rom3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Jesus Christ by the same faith shows us what sin is, sin is unbelief in the Lord Jesus Christ..


John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

To love another is the fulfilling of the law, it is the law of Christ. ( which is what He fulfilled and what we are to believe in, how He loved us and died for us to redeem us from the CURSE of law)


Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Yes, Jesus came to save us from our sins Mat 1:21 no one is saved in there sins Heb 10:26-31. Sin is the transgression of God's laws 1John3:4

Why would someone in Christ want to stay in their sins any longer is beyond me considering what it did to Jesus on the Cross. We need a conversion in Christ. We can't profess Lord Lord and than live for the devil 1 John 3:8 its why the devil hates God's laws so much and has taught churches and billions of people we don't need to obey God. That we can re-write what it means to love God by being disobedient to Him, loving God on our terms, not God's. This is a popular doctrine, but its not Scriptural

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.


Lets get back to the topic!

 

[Abraham1st]

You're conflating Jewish Law with Moral Law, just like Childeye. Moral law is what we write on our hearts, not the Jewish law. Lawlessness is literally sin IE: Breaking God's moral law.

"Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness." 1 John 3:4

we dont have the law any more,, we have faith, and when we do not have faith we have sin, sin may be the transgression of the law, but the law is gone, so now sin is unbelief in the Lord Jesus Christ, and is what damnation is also.

 

[Delvianna]

we dont have the law any more,, we have faith, and when we do not have faith we have sin, sin may be the transgression of the law, but the law is gone, so now sin is unbelief in the Lord Jesus Christ, and is what damnation is also.

So if the law is gone, that means I can go be hitler and kill millions of people and still be saved?
If the law is gone, when Jesus says he will tell people who commit sin on the regular he never knew them, what is the point of that if there is no law anymore?
If the law is gone, then every single person is now going to heaven and there is no more narrow gate then?

Your argument conflicts with the majority of scripture.

 

[Abraham1st]

The law that is SIN when breaking the Ten Commandments 1John3:4 James 2:11 Rom7:7 can't be the same law that was ADDED because of sin. If you read your bible in context this was the animal sacrifices because of sin that was added.

The royal or law of faith is to love our neighbour as ourselves. It is of faith because we cant love our neighbour without faith. That faith comes only by believing that Jesus Christ died for our sins ( in the law) and took the curse of the law ( to continue in it) away from us. Then the law to love our neighbour is written in our heart by the Sprit being given to us.)

Now here is the bit you dont understand, it is no talking to people as if still under the law, to be even convinced of the law as transgressors, as they will be transgressors without that faith, even if you think you are under a law and can keep a law, you cant. ( also cursed under the law)


James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

 

[Abraham1st]

Most who use Gal3:24 have never even kept God's laws as the schoolmaster to lead them to Christ,. They skip it and think they are in Christ. If we are in Christ, does Christ say we can break His commandments? He taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat5:19 and keeping our rules over obeying the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Jesus said, one worships Him in vain Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-19. This is not faith, but rebellion. Jesus could not condemn this practice more He said it leads one who teaches and follows into a ditch. Mat15:14 Faith is someone who hears the word of God and does it. James1:22 Rev22:14 1John 2:5

The least of the commandments is the law magnified and made honourable, here it is, the law is for the Gentiles/the people..



Isaiah 51:4 Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.

Isaiah 42:21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.


Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Love does all, that is why we are saved from all curses in the law.

The love/work of God is to believe in Jesus Christ, that He died and rose again.

John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


That belief in your heart unto HIs righteousness, not the righteousness of the law the Jews go about to establish, means you also love others the way Christ loved us, as we are dead to sins in baptism and alive to God through the faith of Christ and quickened with Him in the Spirit ( the Spirit is the law written in the heart, through love and faith, the LAW ENDED.)


Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Galatians 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

How do we believe in Jesus but not what He taught and lived.

Jesus said this.

Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Is this our version of what God's laws are or God's? I am going with God's Deut4:13 Rev11:18-19 Rev22:14-15

There are a million threads about using Paul to make a case of lawlessness. Which is sad, because Paul never taught to dishonor God Rom2:21-23 or to be an enmity to God Rom8:7-8 He said what matters is keeping the commandments of God1Cor7:19 and Paul came after Jesus ratified His covenant at the Cross. Nothing can be altered, it would cause Jesus to have to be crucified all over again to change His laws. Why do so many people insist on making God out to not keep His promises Psa89:34 Mat5:18

You keep quoting Paul and misunderstanding him comes with a salvation warning 2Peter3:16. I would suggest you read his writings on how we can reconcile them with Jesus and not against Jesus.

 

[Abraham1st]

Is Paul teaching to be an enmity to God and not keep His laws Rom8:7-8

Just keep reading a bit further, this cannot be made any clearer

Rom3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

The law of God is the law that Christ did, by being on the cross, it is what saves, nothing else, and that also is the law of faith, to love in the same way, which is the only law we see Paul keeps.



2 Corinthians 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
3 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:
4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
5 In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
6 By pureness, by knowledge, by long suffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
8 By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;
9 As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;
10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The royal or law of faith is to love our neighbour as ourselves. It is of faith because we cant love our neighbour without faith. That faith comes only by believing that Jesus Christ died for our sins ( in the law) and took the curse of the law ( to continue in it) away from us. Then the law to love our neighbour is written in our heart by the Sprit being given to us.)

Now here is the bit you dont understand, it is no talking to people as if still under the law, to be even convinced of the law as transgressors, as they will be transgressors without that faith, even if you think you are under a law and can keep a law, you cant. ( also cursed under the law)


James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

And where does the He said Law come from. I'll give you a hint its in God's Testimony Exo 20:1-17

11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

LETS GET BACK ON TOPIC!!! I will only respond to those who address the OP. If you want to make a case for lawlessness, please start a new thread.

 

[Abraham1st]

Yes, Jesus came to save us from our sins Mat 1:21 no one is saved in there sins Heb 10:26-31. Sin is the transgression of God's laws 1John3:4

Why would someone in Christ want to stay in their sins any longer is beyond me considering what it did to Jesus on the Cross. We need a conversion in Christ. We can't profess Lord Lord and than live for the devil 1 John 3:8 its why the devil hates God's laws so much and has taught churches and billions of people we don't need to obey God. That we can re-write what it means to love God by being disobedient to Him, loving God on our terms, not God's. This is a popular doctrine, but its not Scriptural

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.


Lets get back to the topic!

Sin was the transgression of the law, now it is not believing that Jesus is Christ.


Being baptized into the death of Jesus is not by the works of the law but by the hearing of faith.



Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

 

[Abraham1st]

So if the law is gone, that means I can go be hitler and kill millions of people and still be saved?
If the law is gone, when Jesus says he will tell people who commit sin on the regular he never knew them, what is the point of that if there is no law anymore?
If the law is gone, then every single person is now going to heaven and there is no more narrow gate then?

Your argument conflicts with the majority of scripture.

the law is gone but faith appeared, it means we would kill i the law as those in Israel are doing right now and the world is witness, but if we are in Christ, which they are not, we kill nobody

 

[Abraham1st]

How do we believe in Jesus but not what He taught and lived.

Jesus said this.

Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Is this our version of what God's laws are or God's? I am going with God's Deut4:13 Rev11:18-19 Rev22:14-15

There are a million threads about using Paul to make a case of lawlessness. Which is sad, because Paul never taught to dishonor God Rom2:21-23 or to be an enmity to God Rom8:7-8 He said what matters is keeping the commandments of God1Cor7:19 and Paul came after Jesus ratified His covenant at the Cross. Nothing can be altered, it would cause Jesus to have to be crucified all over again to change His laws. Why do so many people insist on making God out to not keep His promises Psa89:34 Mat5:18

You keep quoting Paul and misunderstanding him comes with a salvation warning 2Peter3:16. I would suggest you read his writings on how we can reconcile them with Jesus and not against Jesus.

to work iniquity is to not believe in Jesus, it is as simple as that..


Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Sin was the transgression of the law, now it is not believing that Jesus is Christ.


Being baptized into the death of Jesus is not by the works of the law but by the hearing of faith.



Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

There is no "was" in Scripture.
1 John3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [g]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Belief is related to our obedience Heb3:7-19 why Jesus says why do you call me Lord Lord and not DO what I say. Luke6:46 Not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter into the Kingdom of heaven Mat7:21-23.

Guess all will get sorted out in God's time.