Elon Musk says he canceled his Netflix account — and urges his followers to as well

[seeking.IAM]

I am keeping Netflix. It allows me to see content I want to watch without getting inundated with what Big Brother wants me to see.

 

[Servus]

Why don't you show us, if you know so much about this show.

Us will just say "so what?" and support it as usual.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

In order to to shift public perception of gay people the strategy centered on a concept the authors called "jamming," which involved repeatedly broadcasting positive, non-threatening images of gay people into the media to crowd out and "jam" negative stereotypes.

The book's goal was to make homosexuality seem less menacing and more ordinary to the general public. Tactics included portraying gay people as victims of prejudice and highlighting their mainstream qualities rather than focusing on more radical ideas or sexual politics.

If it were just a matter of making it less threatening to the public, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

I don't particularly see gay people as a "threat".

That's why I cited the Captain in the show Brooklyn Nine Nine... yeah, he's gay, it's a known thing in the show.

But it's not central to the story line, like the show doesn't have to be predicated on that premise.

I mentioned one quote from the author before...

Here's another:
Steele describes this as not just being simple representation, describing it as “meant to be in the structure and the bones of the show.”

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I don’t know anything about this new show but I wouldn’t say they’re being duplicitous or trying to hide what the show is about. The description pretty much gives it away this show is trying to normalize such a scenario. Where do you feel they are hiding the show’s true intentions?

I think the defenders of the show are doing some deflection (evidenced by some posts in the first few pages of this thread)...

Whenever this subject seems to come up, the pattern is:
- Conservative backlash to a show, claiming it's advancing an agenda (it's about a 50/50 in terms of whether or not it really is, the conservatives didn't do themselves any favors by crying wolf so much)
- Progressives defend by chalking it up to "what's so bad about there being a gay character?, that's just making it match societal representation"


Basically, attempting to pretend the reason for some people objecting to it is non-existent.



If a well-known conservative made a show for ages 10-14 and the characters were:
- A de-transitioner (who was portrayed as being much happier now)
- A Muslim-to-Christian convert (who talks about how they have much more freedom after they got away from their family's oppressive religion)
- A Cuban refugee who regularly talks about the failures of collectivism and why it's important to be skeptical of government

...and they rode around in a van solving mysteries (but half the time, they were delving into all that other stuff). Would progressives buy the defense of "what? This is just a show about solving mysteries like Scooby Doo...no different. People like the characters do exist in society, so we just wanted to make the characters representative of people that exist"

It doesn't even have to be that "on the nose" to stir up ire for that matter.

Is ‘VeggieTales’ Racist? A College Project Suggests The Show is “Dangerous” for Children

“When kids see the good white character triumph over the bad person of color they are taught that white is right and minorities are the source of evil.”

decider.com

The people who dismiss "indoctrination concerns" about shows like the one in question, are some of the same folks who thought that "Veggie Tales" was problematic.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

For all those other shows in Illuvatars list, the creators could well have said hetero-normative sensibility is built into the DNA and of the story. And they would have been correct.

No, there is a distinction to be made...

A good example I would point to would be the difference between Father Dowling Mysteries vs. 7th Heaven

While both shows involved members of the Christian clergy as their main characters, the former didn't evangelize and his clerical role was a thematic element used as a means to explain how he was able to get certain elevated access in order to solve crimes, as opposed to the latter, which directly injected Christian scriptural themes into the dialog and storytelling.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I don't know. I didn't go looking for the ideologies of the writers. However, subverting the wishes of one's parents is a recurring theme in many of them. Sometimes those parents are legitimately evil (e.g. Snow White, Cinderella, Tangled, and the grandfather in Frozen 2); sometimes they're just overbearing (e.g. Moana, The Little Mermaid, Brave, Elemental, the parents in Frozen 1-2 to a lesser degree), but either way, that, by definition, is "something that their parents aren't exactly keen on."

I'm not referring to the parental characters in the movies, I'm referring to the writer trying to overrule the real life parental figures of the media consumer.

If I knew most of the parents in my area were opposed to guns, and I put on a play that creatively instilled the idea that "guns are practical, cool, and solve a lot of problems", the parents would have some understandable critiques about that.

Keeping in mind, we're talking about the same group of people who didn't even trust other adults to be able to listen to a Joe Rogan podcast because they were afraid of how much it could influence their decision making process.

Kids and adolescents are even dumber and more impressionable than most adults.



And while I've seen a few in the thread post things to the effect of "it's on the parents to restrict their kids from watching XYZ, if you don't like it, don't let your kids watch it". We all know that's BS right? lol

I saw my first Playboy Wet & Wild VHS at 13 because a buddy knew where his dad hid his tapes, and I borrowed it, snuck the tape down to the basement TV and watched it on mute while my parents were sleeping in the middle of the night. That "sneaking to watch something" or "watching something at a friends house" has to be 1000x easier now in the era of streaming services when everyone has a TV (in the form of a cell phone or tablet) in their pocket.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Us will just say "so what?" and support it as usual.

Deflection noted. Posters in this thread have offered actual information about the show. Why can't you? Or do you know less than the people that you assert don't know what's going on?

 

[Servus]

Deflection noted. Posters in this thread have offered actual information about the show. Why can't you? Or do you know less than the people that you assert don't know what's going on?

The continuing sexualization of children is what's going on. Those who gloss over the situation eithr don't know or don't care or they support it. They dismiss or advocate the sexualiztion of children in favor of being social justice warrior for lgbt. You know, the group that says they're coming for our children.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I'm not referring to the parental characters in the movies, I'm referring to the writer trying to overrule the real life parental figures of the media consumer.

I know what you're talking about. What I'm saying is that your supposed concern extends well beyond just lgbtq issues: "disregard your parents' wishes and warnings" is an extremely common theme in these movies. One could describe Moana as teaching kids to disregard their parents' warnings about water safety and The Little Mermaid as disregarding parents' warnings about trusting dangerous strangers.

"Don't go swimming when/where you're not supposed to" is WAY more salient than "don't be queer" to all but the most brainwashed parents.

The continuing sexualization of children is what's going on. Those who gloss over the situation eithr don't know or don't care or they support it. They dismiss or advocate the sexualiztion of children in favor of being social justice warrior for lgbt. You know, the group that say they're coming for out children.

The only one doing any glossing over here is you, with all of the flaws we've pointed out in your argument.

 

[Pommer]

Us will just say "so what?" and support it as usual.

Is not having an opinion “support”?

 

[Servus]

Is not having an opinion “support”?

Apathy is the next best thing.

 

[Servus]

The only one doing any glossing over here is you, with all of the flaws we've pointed out in your argument.

That doesn't even make any sense. Glossing over means to deliberately treat a problem as if it were unimportant or insignificant. That's the opposite of what I'm doing.

 

[Pommer]

Apathy is the next best thing.

Show’s been canceled for a couple years, yet we’re talking about it…why?
Because Elmo decided to save $20/mo?
Stop the Presses!

 

[Servus]

Show’s been canceled for a couple years, yet we’re talking about it…why?
Because Elmo decided to save $20/mo?
Stop the Presses!

There are several shows.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Show’s been canceled for a couple years, yet we’re talking about it…why?
Because Elmo decided to save $20/mo?
Stop the Presses!

I cancelled Netflix years ago so I can't look to see but I believe the outrage is that shows like this have a Y7 rating when it needs an MA17 rating, instead of skirting parental controls.

If Netflix is habitually doing that - letting mature LGBTQ movies skirt parental controls - then thinking parents would want to cancel their subscription.

People actually do rely on parental controls that allow your child to choose between children's shows.When mature LGBTQ material is skirting parental controls, you can't rely on the service.

Parents can choose to allow a younger child to watch a rated R film, but then it's reliant on the parents more to make that choice for their child, and not mature content snuck on as children's programming and unwittingly watched while mom is scrubbing the kitchen floor..

 

[7thKeeper]

I cancelled Netflix years ago so I can't look to see but I believe the outrage is that shows like this have a Y7 rating when it needs an MA17 rating, instead of skirting parental controls.

If Netflix is habitually doing that - letting mature LGBTQ movies skirt parental controls - then thinking parents would want to cancel their subscription.

People actually do rely on parental controls that allow your child to choose between children's shows.When mature LGBTQ material is skirting parental controls, you can't rely on the service.

Parents can choose to allow a younger child to watch a rated R film, but then it's reliant on the parents more to make that choice for their child, and not mature content snuck on as children's programming and unwittingly watched while mom is scrubbing the kitchen floor..

Out of curiosity, what "adult LGBTQ movies" are you talking about?

 

[Hazelelponi]

If it were just a matter of making it less threatening to the public, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

I don't particularly see gay people as a "threat".

That's why I cited the Captain in the show Brooklyn Nine Nine... yeah, he's gay, it's a known thing in the show.

But it's not central to the story line, like the show doesn't have to be predicated on that premise.

I mentioned one quote from the author before...

Here's another:
Steele describes this as not just being simple representation, describing it as “meant to be in the structure and the bones of the show.”

I see the agenda as a specific threat, I didn't used to, but I do now.

It's only been for a couple years now, all the trans stuff changed my mind on everything.

I have always thought homosexuality was a sin, but that didn't stop me from supporting certain social issues in broader society. I was wrong to have done so, I think that's pretty clear now.

I should have listened to those I once thought of as nutty. They aren't nutty anymore. It was a rabbit hole we opened, straight to hell.

I do see what your saying about the show. I do think shows like this need a mature rating, for sure.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Out of curiosity, what "adult LGBTQ movies" are you talking about?

I don't know. I was being general. Didn't have anything in particular in mind.

 

[7thKeeper]

I don't know. I was being general. Didn't have anything in particular in mind.

... So I don't have any idea if the whole thing you said was just made up?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I cancelled Netflix years ago so I can't look to see but I believe the outrage is that shows like this have a Y7 rating when it needs an MA17 rating, instead of skirting parental controls.

Lol, MA17?

1. That's not even a real rating. The top maturity ratings (at least that Netflix shows on its platform) are NC-17 for movies and TV-MA for shows.

2. Both of those ratings are only applied for explicit sex, graphic on-screen violence, or [excessive] crude language (there's a limit on the number of f-bombs you can drop before you get bumped to MA). Think Game of Thrones. This show, it could be argued, might be better suited to a TV-PG rating, but that's really the most that would be warranted.

http://www.tvguidelines.org/resources/TheRatings.pdf