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You haven't seen the actual clip of Kimmel's statement? I suppose you might argue that he technically didn't say the shooter was MAGA, but he very heavily implied it. Here's the actual quote:

"We had some new lows over the weekend, with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points for it".
This is pretty weak evidence in support of the claim but that Kimmel is saying the shooter is MAGA. What he does imply, however, is that MAGA is desperate to avoid any implication that the shooter is one of them.

This is definitely not the same thing as an implication that the shooter is indeed MAGA.
 
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This is definitely not the same thing as an implication that the shooter is indeed MAGA.
Strongly disagree. It sounds even stronger when you hear him say it, and the emphasis he puts on certain words.
 
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Strongly disagree. It sounds even stronger when you hear him say it, and the emphasis he puts on certain words.
Kimmel: "I don't think the murderer who shot Charlie Kirk represents anyone".
 
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I just did a peak in wiki & found out this guy has been on since 2003. I never heard of him until about maybe 5 years ago & never beyond a basic fact. The current wall to wall presence is probably orchestrated to try to salvage a low rated political platform venue of the entertainment ideology complex. Some other guy like him, Joe Colbert or whatever, was also cancelled for low ratings & somehow the MAGA voting block is guilty of something for that. I’m just a random shmoe of course
 
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Kimmel: "I don't think the murderer who shot Charlie Kirk represents anyone".
I imagine there were many folks like me who had not been Kimmel viewers before the controversy but watched the comeback out of curiosity to see what was going to happen without intention of becoming a regular viewer.
 
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Kimmel: "I don't think the murderer who shot Charlie Kirk represents anyone".
That's great, but that's from his "comeback" speech. I wouldn't call it an apology, but he actually seemed to show some contrition, which to be honest I didn't really expect. I guess it was part of his deal with Disney to get back on the air. I do agree with him though, I don't think the murder represents anyone. The problem with the murderer is that he seemed to buy into left wing attempts at dehumanization and the spin they put on twisting Charlie Kirk's words to make it sound like "hate speech".
 
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I imagine there were many folks like me who had not been Kimmel viewers before the controversy but watched the comeback out of curiosity to see what was going to happen without intention of becoming a regular viewer.
I heard his ratings were like three or four times greater than normal. I didn't watch it myself.
 
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That's great, but that's from his "comeback" speech. I wouldn't call it an apology, but he actually seemed to show some contrition, which to be honest I didn't really expect. I guess it was part of his deal with Disney to get back on the air. I do agree with him though, I don't think the murder represents anyone. The problem with the murderer is that he seemed to buy into left wing attempts at dehumanization and the spin they put on twisting Charlie Kirk's words to make it sound like "hate speech".
I didn't watch the show. I think the Robinson guy was in a relationship with a trans and he didn't like Kirks' anti-trans statements. But to murder someone though, it seems to me he had some psychological issues. Same with the guy who burned down the Mormon church.
 
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I didn't watch the show. I think the Robinson guy was in a relationship with a trans and he didn't like Kirks' anti-trans statements. But to just go shoot the guy, that's entertaining some dark thoughts.
I didn't watch it either, I just picked it up on the news and social media. You are correct the murderer was in a relationship with a trans person, but I'm not so sure Kirk made "anti-trans" statements. Unless you count him saying that trans behavior is sinful, as Kirk was a Christian. I'm sure Kirk was against puberty blockers and sex change operations for children. That sounds like simply reasonable thinking to me, but to some on the left, that counts as hate speech.
 
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I didn't watch it either, I just picked it up on the news and social media. You are correct the murderer was in a relationship with a trans person, but I'm not so sure Kirk made "anti-trans" statements. Unless you count him saying that trans behavior is sinful, as Kirk was a Christian. I'm sure Kirk was against puberty blockers and sex change operations for children. That sounds like simply reasonable thinking to me, but to some on the left, that counts as hate speech.
I know Charlie Kirk had a lot of harsh words for LGBTQ+.
 
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If calling out sin is harsh words, then so be it.
Since Jesus said God will judge us according to what measure we use to judge others, and Jesus even qualifies it by saying that the merciful shall receive mercy, it will be so.
 
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Since Jesus said God will judge us according to what measure we use to judge others, and Jesus even qualifies it by saying that the merciful shall receive mercy, it will be so.
People should not condemn people for their sin, that's not our job. But we should call a sin a sin. The argument with the LGBTQ activists is they do not want to admit such behavior is a sin, but according to Christian doctrine it is. Jesus forgave the adulteress, but He told her to "Go and sin no more". Being against puberty blockers and mutilating children's bodies is not an example of judging others. Charlie Kirk was welcoming to gay and trans people into the conservative movement, while at the same time making it clear that as a Christian he viewed homosexual behavior as sin.
 
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People should not condemn people for their sin, that's not our job. But we should call a sin a sin.
I'm not compelled to call a sin a sin. I've done it before when I was young, and I regretted it even because I had not removed the log from my own eye. Having been corrected according to God's grace, I now see that sin is a condition not just an action, which is why the bible speaks of sinfulness and why Jesus said that the sick need a doctor. My calling a sin a sin was based on the belief that people chose to sin, and this implied that people could simply choose not to. <-- Old Testament ten commandments

The argument with the LGBTQ activists is they do not want to admit such behavior is a sin, but according to Christian doctrine it is.
Mt experience is that it was The Holy Spirit that convicted me of sin and still does. My testimony is that without the Holy Spirit I do not even see my own sin.

Jesus forgave the adulteress, but He told her to "Go and sin no more".
He also said why -> lest worse come upon you.
Being against puberty blockers and mutilating children's bodies is not an example of judging others.
No, it really is not an example of judging others. But when we condemn those actions, it should be based on informed and reasonable arguments. You can't just say it's sin and expect to be taken seriously.
Charlie Kirk was welcoming to gay and trans people into the conservative movement, while at the same time making it clear that as a Christian he viewed homosexual behavior as sin.
But since conservatives sin and have sinful flesh too, it looks hypocritical.
 
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No, it really isn't. But when we condemn those actions, it should be based on informed and reasonable arguments. You can't just say it's sin and expect to be taken seriously.
I don't think the burden of proof in that particular instance should be on those who are against them, but making informed and reasonable arguments is just the sort of thing Charlie Kirk did. And he got shot for it. Are we not supposed to preach the Word of God? Or are we just supposed to leave the parts out about homosexuality? I think there are warnings about leaving out parts of God' Word - or adding to it.

Nothing hypocritical about pointing out that homosexuality is sinful though - we are in a culture war where the other side is trying to argue that it isn't - or worse yet, that Christianity is irrelevant altogether. Any Christian knows that we are all sinners and in need of salvation. Kirk was not saying homosexuals were any better or worse than any of us. If someone wants to hate Kirk for speaking the Bible truth, that is their prerogative. But they should be sure they are hating him for the right reasons, and not for some spun version of what he was saying by using edited videos or outright lies about his message.

For instance, he was not advocating that we stone gays in 2025, although I've heard that lie repeated a lot in the last few weeks. And others have said he doesn't like anyone who isn't white, straight, and cis.
 
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I don't think the burden of proof in that particular instance should be on those who are against them, but making informed and reasonable arguments is just the sort of thing Charlie Kirk did. And he got shot for it.
God knows why Kirk was shot, and I don't feel it is wise to comment on Charlie Kirk's words. Whose burden is it to prove? I believe God is going to hold those who see more accountable for their words than the blind who can't see. Informed would mean things like understanding what intersex means and that some surgeries are performed because a person was born with atypical chromosomes or genitalia.
Are we not supposed to preach the Word of God?
Some plant, some water, but it is God that gives increase. What exactly are we preaching? Do we speak from the Jerusalem on earth or do we speak from the Jerusalem from above? Do we speak as if God's children are born through the works of the law or by the promise of God?
Or are we just supposed to leave the parts out about homosexuality? I think there are warnings about leaving out parts of God' Word - or adding to it.
It sounds here like you're referring to the scriptures as the Word. The scriptures are full of testimonies to the Word of God written by men who heard from God, but the Word of God is actually the energy of creation and God is the Eternal Power. Hence, we can read in scripture this testimony to the Word of God.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

We can see that the Word of God is the energy of creation, not the scriptures themselves. Even the Holy Spirit does not testify to Himself but to the Father and the son. The book of revelations speaks about not adding to or taking away from that particular book, but The Word is actually a Living Spirit not a book.

As for speaking about homosexuality, I use Romans 1 because it shows there how homosexuality started. There it is describing how mankind was given over to uncleanness and vile affections because when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.

Nothing hypocritical about pointing out that homosexuality is sinful though
Homosexuality is like the second level of depravity in Romans 1. God first gave mankind over to lust, then came dishonorable affections like homosexuality, then came a reprobate mind and then mankind became filled with all manner of unrighteousness ->fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful. <-- all of this is what sinful flesh is comprised of when deprived of God's Spiritual virtue.

So yes, we can say homosexuality is a "state of sin", but we should first say that "sinfulness is more than homosexuality". And we should portray it that way because one of the devices of the devil is to make the preacher of the Gospel appear like the accuser.

Is it hypocritical? The Holy Spirit searches our hearts. He knows if when we debate political opponents, we cherry pick only the sins of the other to point to for the purpose of worldly carnal vanity. This is what I meant about the Holy Spirit having to remove the beam from my own eye.
- we are in a culture war where the other side is trying to argue that it isn't - or worse yet, that Christianity is irrelevant altogether. Any Christian knows that we are all sinners and in need of salvation. Kirk was not saying homosexuals were any better or worse than any of us. If someone wants to hate Kirk for speaking the Bible truth, that is their prerogative. But they should be sure they are hating him for the right reasons, and not for some spun version of what he was saying by using edited videos or outright lies about his message.
Like I said, I don't think it is wise for me to comment on Charlie Kirk's sentiments. I don't believe we're in a culture war, I believe we're in a spiritual war. Christianity is a Spirit that bears a cross and forgives those who would crucify you. Devil=accuser/slanderer. Slander is saying bad things about others without proof. The Spirit of Christ is loving one's enemies and praying for them; the spirit of slander is telling us who to blame and hate.
For instance, he was not advocating that we stone gays in 2025, although I've heard that lie repeated a lot in the last few weeks. And others have said he doesn't like anyone who isn't white, straight, and cis.
I really don't know what all he said. I can tell you that there is a flood of lies ruling in the minds of those unsealed, so another reason I don't want to comment is because the devil is in the air and people right now need to have the Holy Spirit to check the thoughts in their head and identify what is not of the Spirit of Christ.

3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds

5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
 
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