Political Pawns

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

I served in the military under six presidents myself. There was only President I liked as my Commander-in-Chief...and yet I despised that same man's politics.

They all expect to do 30 or 40 years in government and work for a variety of White House "short-timers."

People in government, particularly in organizations like the FBI and CIA, tend to be classically conservative. They tend to be people who uphold the status quo. Yes, they will tend to resist extreme changes, both from the left and the right, but generally those changes had been more from the left than the right. So, yeah, I'd guess that most people in the FBI and CIA, not to mention the military, were and are Republicans.

But they're not extreme right-wing activists, and that's where Trump rubbed them raw. Let's face it, James Mattis is certainly nobody's liberal, but not even he could stomach working for Trump.

Thank you for your service. From your previous post, I understand that you have dedicated many years to serving our country and have worked at the Pentagon. I appreciate your commitment and contributions.

Historically, most LEO in America have been conservative, while most educators lean liberal—a pattern seen over the past 50 to 60 years. Despite their views or political affiliations, LEOs serve the nation impartially, though they generally resist extreme changes.

Historically, most American conservatives aimed to preserve existing institutions, while progressives sought to reform them according to their own ideologies. Since President Trump entered politics in 2015, however, many conservatives—especially those aligned with MAGA—now advocate for dismantling and rebuilding these institutions, a stance previously associated with progressives since the late 1960s.

 

[Vambram]

Many career public servants, regardless of political affiliation, have worked under five, six, or even seven presidents from both major parties, without being labelled as a "deep state" opposing the president.

Perhaps the issue does not lie with them, but rather with the individual referring to them as the "deep state."

James Clapper held senior intelligence roles under Presidents H. Bush, Clinton, W. Bush, Obama, and Trump. Only President Trump referred to him as "deep state".

There is a deep state that is working steadfastly against President Trump. IMO, to say otherwise is to deny reality. These career "public servants" have their own agendas. I have no doubts about this.

 

[Vambram]

I served in the military under six presidents myself. There was only President I liked as my Commander-in-Chief...and yet I despised that same man's politics.

They all expect to do 30 or 40 years in government and work for a variety of White House "short-timers."

People in government, particularly in organizations like the FBI and CIA, tend to be classically conservative. They tend to be people who uphold the status quo. Yes, they will tend to resist extreme changes, both from the left and the right, but generally those changes had been more from the left than the right. So, yeah, I'd guess that most people in the FBI and CIA, not to mention the military, were and are Republicans.

But they're not extreme right-wing activists, and that's where Trump rubbed them raw. Let's face it, James Mattis is certainly nobody's liberal, but not even he could stomach working for Trump.

I have served in the military under Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden. The only one whom I liked as my Commander in Chief is President Trump.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

There is a deep state that is working steadfastly against President Trump. IMO, to say otherwise is to deny reality. These career "public servants" have their own agendas. I have no doubts about this.

Have these career public servants pursued different agendas in previous administrations? Did they ever act against a sitting president? Many of them have served under multiple presidents from both major parties.

Consider Director James Clapper. President Trump accused him of being part of the "deep state." Do you believe he has an agenda separate from his service to the nation?

If you think James clapper has his personal agenda, do you think he worked against H Bush or W Bush or Obama?

Did Director Clapper ever act against President H. Bush while leading the DIA, or against President W. Bush as director of NIMA from 2001–2006? From 1991 until retirement, he served under two Republican and two Democratic presidents, consistently earning promotions. Do you think he opposed any of them? If he had his own agenda, as some claim, he would likely have worked against at least one president, since all four had very different foreign policy ideologies.

Some on the right claim that public servants like James Clapper and others are part of a "deep state" opposing the current administration. However, these officials worked without issue for multiple previous administrations, suggesting the problem might lie with the current administration rather than with the public servants themselves.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

I have served in the military under Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden. The only one whom I liked as my Commander in Chief is President Trump.

Thank you for your service.

You are fully entitled to your personal preference regarding who should serve as Commander in Chief. That is your constitutional right. Nevertheless, I believe you have served this country admirably under every president, regardless of whether you voted for them or liked them. This commitment is shared by the majority of public servants in America. Public servants may have their own preferences for president and may participate in politics when appropriate, but ultimately, they are Americans dedicated to serving their nation.

 

[Vambram]

Have these career public servants pursued different agendas in previous administrations? Did they ever act against a sitting president? Many of them have served under multiple presidents from both major parties.

Consider Director James Clapper. President Trump accused him of being part of the "deep state." Do you believe he has an agenda separate from his service to the nation?

If you think James clapper has his personal agenda, do you think he worked against H Bush or W Bush or Obama?

Did Director Clapper ever act against President H. Bush while leading the DIA, or against President W. Bush as director of NIMA from 2001–2006? From 1991 until retirement, he served under two Republican and two Democratic presidents, consistently earning promotions. Do you think he opposed any of them? If he had his own agenda, as some claim, he would likely have worked against at least one president, since all four had very different foreign policy ideologies.

Some on the right claim that public servants like James Clapper and others are part of a "deep state" opposing the current administration. However, these officials worked without issue for multiple previous administrations, suggesting the problem might lie with the current administration rather than with the public servants themselves.

If they worked so well for previous administrations which were in favor of the elite globalists agendas, then why could they obey and work well with President Trump and the agendas of the American people who voted Trump?

 

[RDKirk]

I have served in the military under Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden. The only one whom I liked as my Commander in Chief is President Trump.

But the question is: Did you find yourself unable to faithfully carry out your missions under the other presidents?

 

[RDKirk]

If they worked so well for previous administrations which were in favor of the elite globalists agendas, then why could they obey and work well with President Trump and the agendas of the American people who voted Trump?

Are you saying that you were unable to carry out your own missions under Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Biden? Did you foment dissent under them?

 

[Vambram]

Are you saying that you were unable to carry out your own missions under Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Biden? Did you foment dissent under them?

But the question is: Did you find yourself unable to faithfully carry out your missions under the other presidents?

Are you saying that you were unable to carry out your own missions under Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Biden? Did you foment dissent under them?

I was able to perform all my missions as a soldier and as an NCO. I did foment dissent because I faithfully adhered to my oaths. Unfortunately, during both of the Trump administrations, far too many career bureaucrats are undermining the will of the President and therefore the will of the people.

 

[RDKirk]

I was able to perform all my missions as a soldier and as an NCO. I did foment dissent because I faithfully adhered to my oaths. Unfortunately, during both of the Trump administrations, far too many career bureaucrats are undermining the will of the President and therefore the will of the people.

How do you know that?

What makes you think those career bureaucrats, who had been through several Republican administrations before, white men--old white men--were suddenly willing to risk their careers for any particular White House short-timer any more than you were?

What is your firsthand information about each of those individuals?

 

[BCP1928]

If they worked so well for previous administrations which were in favor of the elite globalists agendas, then why could they obey and work well with President Trump and the agendas of the American people who voted Trump?

There is considerable controversy over what those agendas are, so it's hard to tell. Plus that, Trump has shown a regrettable tendency to overstep his powers of office.

 

[Vambram]

How do you know that?

What makes you think those career bureaucrats, who had been through several Republican administrations before, white men--old white men--were suddenly willing to risk their careers for any particular White House short-timer any more than you were?

What is your firsthand information about each of those individuals?

The career bureaucrats have admitted in polling by Harris/Harvard polls that they will follow their own ideology and work to undermine the elected government administration in charge of various government agencies.

 

[Vambram]

There is considerable controversy over what those agendas are, so it's hard to tell. Plus that, Trump has shown a regrettable tendency to overstep his powers of office.

President Trump has not overstepped the powers of the office of the POTUS.

 

[RDKirk]

The career bureaucrats have admitted in polling by Harris/Harvard polls that they will follow their own ideology and work to undermine the elected government administration in charge of various government agencies.

Two points about that poll:

1. Did they poll the CIA and FBI operators (field officers/agents)? Or just the secretaries?

2. If "their own ideology" is the oath they took to uphold the Constitution, then yeah. Emphatically, yeah.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

It is not an anti Trump deep state causing Trump to screw over people who signed up for Trump U. He did that.
It is not an anti Trump deep state that caused Trump to screw over his contractors. He did that.
It is not an anti Trump deep state that caused him to housing discriminate against blacks. He did that.
It is not an anti Trump deep state that caused Trump to misuse foundation donations for personal use. He did that.
It is not an anti Trump deep state that caused Trump to skirt paying taxes for Trump org employees. He did that.
It is not an anti Trump deep state caused Trump to seek, anticipate, and use Russian assistance in his presidential campaign. He did that.
It is not an anti Trump deep state that caused Trump to try and blackmail Ukraine to interfere in our elections. He did that.
It is not an anti Trump deep state that caused Trump to be found guilty of cooking his mortgage claims. He did that;
It is not an anti Trump deep state caused Trump to try and have Georgia conduct election fraud. He did that.
It is not an anti Trump deep state that caused Trump to attempt the overturn of a presidential election replete with a coup. He did that.
It is not an anti Trump deep state that caused Trump to obstruct the FBI as they tried to recoup classified documents. He did that.

People think this nefarious conspiracy in play to take down Trump, when it reality it is again his own self inflicted gun shot wounds.
Maybe, just maybe, when one thinks it's the fault of everyone else, maybe in reality it's just you.

This is exactly what an anti Trump deep state operative would say and want us to believe.

 

[Say it aint so]

Let's one up this anti Trump deep state conspiracy theory where for political reasons the FBI was used to undermine Trump. It's Jan 6th, and the conspiracy is the FBI embedded some, what as the number? 270 agents into the crowd to stir up those loving lawful Trump supporters who showed up with zip ties. marched in stack formation, and hold a cache of weapons if and when needed.

The whole point of the Trump rally was to stop the electoral votes from being certified. So to game out this conspiracy theory one more step, the Trump FBI was used politically to help Trump try to stop the certification vote.

 

[Vambram]

Two points about that poll:

1. Did they poll the CIA and FBI operators (field officers/agents)? Or just the secretaries?

2. If "their own ideology" is the oath they took to uphold the Constitution, then yeah. Emphatically, yeah.

People with different ideology have very different understanding and ways of interpreting the US Constitution.

 

[RDKirk]

People with different ideology have very different understanding and ways of interpreting the US Constitution.

At this point, MAGA cares nothing about the Constitution. It's just a road-block for what they really want to do.

Or, considering the current Congress and Supreme Court, I should say the Constitution is just a speed bump for them.

 

[Vambram]

At this point, MAGA cares nothing about the Constitution. It's just a road-block for what they really want to do.

Or, considering the current Congress and Supreme Court, I should say the Constitution is just a speed bump for them.

That is absolutely not true. Conservatives are indeed upholding the Constitution. For you to suggest otherwise proves my point that people with different ideology have very different interpretations of our Constitution.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

People with different ideology have very different understanding and ways of interpreting the US Constitution.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions was a lifelong Republican and the first senator to endorse Donald J. Trump. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, also a lifelong Republican, was appointed by President Trump. Former FBI Director James Comey was a registered Republican, and President Trump once praised Comey’s disclosure of Clinton’s email investigation as courageous. Attorney General Bill Barr, another lifelong Republican who previously served under other Republican presidents, was also appointed by President Trump. Christopher Wray, former FBI Director, has been a lifelong Republican. He was appointed Assistant Attorney General and led the Criminal Division of the Department of Justice under President George W. Bush. In 2017, President Donald Trump selected Wray to serve as FBI Director.

If these individuals' ideologies differ greatly from President Trump and his MAGA movement, why did he appoint them to top government positions? Specifically, why did President Trump select Christopher Wray as FBI director if Wray is perceived as a deep state liberal?