Multiple victims in Michigan church shooting; church on fire

[RileyG]

Should the government be forcing religion onto children?

No. 1st amendment

 

[iluvatar5150]

What I see being filmed all over the place, is the same as what I experience firsthand but it's all marketing. And that goes for everyone else that sees what they themselves are experiencing happening all over the the country. You can even go to google street views and see how bad it is. But that's all supposed to be bogus. It seems like it would be a lot harder to stage all that, than to put out graph based on who knows what. It's easy to skew data like that by being selective about what's entered. That's where data is factual, but not thorough enough.

I don't know how you can sit there and argue that peer-reviewed data is being entered selectively while simultaneously denying that your media diet and personal experiences, by their very nature, do just that.

Again, it's not being "staged". Do you really not understand what I'm saying?

 

[Servus]

Its not manipulation at all. Its just a natural combination of corporations chasing revenue plus the way humans tend to reward shocking news with elevated clicks and attention.

Plus people tend to give alarming things more space in their own heads than good or stable things.

So does that apply to what we know about Jan 6th? And every other event? From what I'm being told all the time, even if you were there in person while it was happening, that's just anecdotal rather than factual.

 

[Servus]

I don't know how you can sit there and argue that peer-reviewed data is being entered selectively while simultaneously denying that your media diet and personal experiences, by their very nature, do just that.

Again, it's not being "staged". Do you really not understand what I'm saying?

Not entirely because what you're saying isn't particularly sensable. For example how do you know what happened Jan 6th? Do you disbelieve it really took place the way you saw, heard and read about it?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

If you cant name a year, then you are talking about a myth - not reality.

If youre right, it should be easy.

Can you name the year Mount Rainer was built? No? I guess Mount Rainer is a myth-not reality.

 

[durangodawood]

So does that apply to what we know about Jan 6th? And every other event? From what I'm being told all the time, even if you were there in person while it was happening, that's just anecdotal rather than factual.

This church murder / arson in MI is absolutely as bad as it looks in my opinion. Its horrific.

But my earlier point applies to making judgements about the times we're in generally. It alway been too easy for us humans to think we're in the worst time yet. Even more so in our current techno-capitalist society where the bad stuff get delivered to our attention like never before.

However..... things might actually be trending badly. But to know it, we have to step back and correct for the biases we're swimming in. Often this involves data. Its not sufficient in this environment to say things feel real bad with doing some broader analysis.

 

[durangodawood]

Can you name the year Mount Rainer was built? No? I guess Mount Rainer is a myth-not reality.

I can name a year when Mount Rainier was a thing... therefore its not a myth.

Tell us any year when a clearly more moral America was a thing.

 

[Servus]

But the bad stuff still does exist. For example why is so much merchandise in stores locked up when it never was before? There's whole isles where everything is behind locked glass doors or in cages. I literally can't even buy underwear in the middle of the day, unless I find someone with a key.

 

[durangodawood]

But the bad stuff still does exist. For example why is so much merchandise in stores locked up when it never was before? There's whole isles where everything is behind locked glass doors or in cages. I literally can't even buy underwear in the middle of the day, unless I find someone with a key.

I agree. And that goes onto my tally of the bad trends. And, big picture, I do see some real negative trends at play, mainly around social media, cost of living for the median and below, and the destruction of the natural environment. The latter is more closely linked to human affairs and our state of mind than we appreciate, I think.

What do you make of Ecclesiastes 7:10?
Do not say, “Why were the old days better than these?”
For it is not wise to ask such questions.

(my underline)

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I can name a year when Mount Rainier was a thing... therefore its not a myth.

Tell us any year when a clearly more moral America was a thing.

That was not the question. What year was Mount Rainer built? How about when the Mississippi River was created? Can you name the exact date the first humans walked the Earth? Can you even name the date the earth was created. No? Then they all must be myths according to your standards.

 

[Servus]

But ignore that. It's not really happening because this says otherwise:

 

[durangodawood]

.....But ignore that. It's not really happening because this says otherwise:

If the data is carefully measured, then yes its more indicative of actual trends than what your chosen media might select or what you see in your specific neighborhood.

Where I live hardly anything is behind lock and key at the stores - for example.

 

[rambot]

Can you name the year Mount Rainer was built? No? I guess Mount Rainer is a myth-not reality.

"built"?.... a mountain?

 

[Servus]

I agree. And that goes onto my tally of the bad trends. And, big picture, I do see some real negative trends at play, mainly around social media, cost of living for the median and below, and the destruction of the natural environment. The latter is more closely linked to human affairs and our state of mind than we appreciate, I think.

What do you make of Ecclesiastes 7:10?
Do not say, “Why were the old days better than these?”
For it is not wise to ask such questions.

(my underline)

Ecclesiastes 7:10 means it's unwise to sulk over how carefree childhood seemed compared to being an adult. Or to sulk over how much more energetic and vigorous I was in my 30s compared to my 60s.

 

[rambot]

Why does that matter? Can you name a single mass school shooting prior to Columbine? Obviously, the pattern shows that the further a nation becomes more secular, human life has less value.

I'm not sure that is an actual pattern....

 

[durangodawood]

That was not the question. What year was Mount Rainer built? How about when the Mississippi River was created? Can you name the exact date the first humans walked the Earth. Can you even name the date the earth was created. No? Then they all must be myths according to your standards.

My standard: I can name a year when Mount Rainier was a thing.

All I ask of you: Tell us any year when a clearly more moral America was a thing.

Same standard. Now, go for it.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Where I live hardly anything is behind lock and key at the stores - for example.

Same here, even in the neighborhoods that are a little more dicey.

 

[Servus]

If the data is carefully measured, then yes its more indicative of actual trends than what your chosen media might select or what you see in your specific neighborhood.

It's all across the country.

Where I live hardly anything is behind lock and key at the stores - for example.

I used to be able to say the same a few years ago. It just hasn't caught up to where you are yet.

What's with the denial from people though? Does admitting there's a significant degradation mean having to admit that progressive liberalism isn't working?

 

[Servus]

Same here, even in the neighborhoods that are a little more dicey.

If things keep going the way they are, you won't be able to say that a few years from now.

 

[Bradskii]

This didn't start yesterday.

It has to stop at some point. Why not start now?