Multiple victims in Michigan church shooting; church on fire

[JosephZ]

Happening now:

An active shooter was reported at a church Sunday morning, Sept. 28, in Grand Blanc Township, police said.

The incident happened at The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

There are multiple victims – it’s not clear how many – and the shooter is down, police said. The church is actively on fire.

Active shooter reported at Michigan church with multiple victims

Police said the church is actively on fire.

www.mlive.com

 

[caffeinated hermit]

Oh, my GOSH! That is horrible... Covenant Christian School, Annunciation, now this... Christ, have mercy.

 

[Desk trauma]

Another normal day in the USA.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Happening now:

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An active shooter was reported at a church Sunday morning, Sept. 28, in Grand Blanc Township, police said.

The incident happened at The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

There are multiple victims – it’s not clear how many – and the shooter is down, police said. The church is actively on fire.

Active shooter reported at Michigan church with multiple victims

Police said the church is actively on fire.

www.mlive.com

Regardless of the who, this is truly horrendous. People should never be targeted for violence like this, not ever. My prayers are with all the victims and their families.

 

[JosephZ]

From the live press conference:

• Shooter is a 40 year old male from Burton, MI, and is deceased.
• Suspect rammed front door with vehicle, started shooting.
• Shooter used an assault-style weapon.
• 1 dead, 9 injured including victims with critical injuries. Search efforts ongoing for others reported missing. Expecting to find additional victims after the fire is out and scene is safe to enter.
• Hundreds of people were inside the church at the time of the shooting/fire.

 

[RileyG]

Another normal day in the USA.

Sad how common it is no words are left

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Sad how common it is no words are left

Agreed. This is what happens to a nation that no longer has the fear of the Lord. The ultimate result is a loss of human value. I have said it before, and I will say it again. Things are going to get worse before they get better. But it will not get better until the nation repents and returns to the Lord.

 

[durangodawood]

Agreed. This is what happens to a nation that no longer has the fear of the Lord. The ultimate result is a loss of human value. I have said it before, and I will say it again. Things are going to get worse before they get better. But it will not get better until the nation repents and returns to the Lord.

No longer?

When is the era when we did have proper fear of the Lord?

 

[iluvatar5150]

No longer?

When is the era when we did have proper fear of the Lord?

When we were massacring natives and lynching blacks?

 

[durangodawood]

When we were massacring natives and lynching blacks?

Some do think we were a more righteous nation back then, despite the massive evidence to the contrary. But I wont assume this is Mr Loompas position.

 

[Servus]

My guess is he was an excommunicated member of that particular church.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

No longer?

When is the era when we did have proper fear of the Lord?

When the left took God out of the schools.

 

[durangodawood]

When the left took God out of the schools.

Name a year when God was in the schools and things were better due to our fear of the Lord.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Name a year when God was in the schools and things were better due to our fear of the Lord.

Why does that matter? Can you name a single mass school shooting prior to Columbine? Obviously, the pattern shows that the further a nation becomes more secular, human life has less value.

 

[JosephZ]

Thomas Jacob Sanford, has been identified as the shooter according to the New York Post.

Iraq War veteran Thomas Sanford ID’d as gunman who attacked Grand Blanc LDS church, killing 2 and setting it ablaze

Sanford, a US Marine veteran, according to his mom’s Facebook page, rammed his Chevy Silverado truck into the building before unleashing the assault on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Grand Blanc Township, Michigan, armed with a semi-automatic rifle.

 

[Sir Joseph]

Agreed. This is what happens to a nation that no longer has the fear of the Lord. The ultimate result is a loss of human value. I have said it before, and I will say it again. Things are going to get worse before they get better. But it will not get better until the nation repents and returns to the Lord.

For 300 years, using the New England Primer, McGuffey Reader, Blue Back Speller, and Holy Bible, the nation's schools taught Christian doctrine pervasively. That ingrained upon all children a sense of objective moral values, individual responsibility, respect for others, law and order, and eventual judgement before God. That all changed in the second half of the 20th century with the removal of God, the Bible and prayer from the classrooms.

Since the secularization of America's educational system, the number of teen pregnancies, teen suicides, and school shootings have skyrocketed. The number of Christians have declined each decade as the culture has worsened, and now it's also affecting the churches, pregnancy centers, and outspoken Christian agencies.

Is this coincidence? I don't think so. I agree that America has to regain it's Christian heritage to solve the cultural problems, but I don't see it happening. We have too many professing Christians siding with the Devil on the nation's sins - advocating a separation of church and state, embracing evolution teaching over creationism and opposing the death penalty while supporting abortion rights, gay marriage, transgender ideology, critical race theory, and other moral relativism values.

God help America. In the meantime, I'd suggest that CCW's be welcomed in all churches. Most one-time shooters, like career criminals, don't really want to face a gunfight or die. A little more self protection would not only reduce future casualties but might also deter some prospective shooters contemplating the idea.

 

[bèlla]

My guess is he was an excommunicated member of that particular church.

That’s probably the case. LDS church shootings are rare.

~bella

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

It's sad for the victims and their family.

 

[durangodawood]

Why does that matter? Can you name a single mass school shooting prior to Columbine? Obviously, the pattern shows that the further a nation becomes more secular, human life has less value.

If you cant name a year, then you are talking about a myth - not reality.

If youre right, it should be easy.

 

[bèlla]

Two mass shootings in public settings on the same day by veterans. Let’s see if they say he had mental health problems too.

~bella