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What is the significance of seven?

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Apologies if this is in the wrong section, please move or educate me, as required.

I have asked if the chaplains are the place to go with these questions, because I don't know what a chaplain is, so while I'm awaiting response I hoped you all might be able to assist.

So, the bible makes so many references to the number 7. Everything happens in 7s, e.g. 7 days and I just wondered what the reason was for this?

There was a gentleman who I used to talk to who highlighted this and I scoffed at him telling him that the bible wasn't some mystical text filled with numerology so, if he explained it to me, I missed out due to my arrogance as I wasn't actually reading the Bible at the time and thought he was misguided about seeing a pattern of instances. But, as I read, he is correct and I have no idea why the number features so heavily.

Thanks for your help, as always, God bless.
 

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Apologies if this is in the wrong section, please move or educate me, as required.

I have asked if the chaplains are the place to go with these questions, because I don't know what a chaplain is, so while I'm awaiting response I hoped you all might be able to assist.

So, the bible makes so many references to the number 7. Everything happens in 7s, e.g. 7 days and I just wondered what the reason was for this?

There was a gentleman who I used to talk to who highlighted this and I scoffed at him telling him that the bible wasn't some mystical text filled with numerology so, if he explained it to me, I missed out due to my arrogance as I wasn't actually reading the Bible at the time and thought he was misguided about seeing a pattern of instances. But, as I read, he is correct and I have no idea why the number features so heavily.

Thanks for your help, as always, God bless.
Numbers mean something in Scripture

7 represents perfection and completeness- it is God's number God rested on the seventh day from all His work. God blessed the seventh day and made it holy.

6 represents mans number. Man was made on the 6th day

2 represents witness- Jesus would often send people in pairs 3 represents the Godhead 4 represents the whole earth His created world (four corners of the earth). 10 represents God’s order and authority- the Ten Commandments, 12 represents God's people (12 disciples, 12 tribes) 40 represents a generation etc
 
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Numbers mean something in Scripture

7 represents perfection and completeness- it is God's number God rested on the seventh day from all His work. God blessed the seventh day and made it holy.

6 represents mans number. Man was made on the 6th day

2 represents witness- Jesus would often send people in pairs 3 represents the Godhead 4 represents the whole earth His created world (four corners of the earth). 10 represents God’s order and authority- the Ten Commandments, 12 represents God's people (12 disciples, 12 tribes) 40 represents a generation etc
Thank you so much!

I assume this is not written in black and white, in scripture, but has been ascertained via patterns in scripture?

Do you know who originally saw the pattern or what other patterns there are?

I don't want to tell the family anything that's not correct (I read the bible to them almost nightly and they have asked this and so many other questions that I don't have the answers to), so really appreciate your help, thank you!
 
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I kind of agree we shouldn't read too much into the significance of certain numbers just b/c the number's in the Bible. 7 is common, but so is, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 9, 10, 0, 12, etc. You can find a meaning for any number in it if you look hard enough. They are sign-posts to God & his sovereign plan more then anything.

I think a lot of it is secular people studying the Bible looking for numerical patterns to come up w/ ways it's all metaphor
 
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I kind of agree we shouldn't read too much into the significance of certain numbers just b/c the number's in the Bible. 7 is common, but so is, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 9, 10, 0, 12, etc. You can find a meaning for any number in it if you look hard enough. They are sign-posts to God & his sovereign plan more then anything.

I think a lot of it is secular people studying the Bible looking for numerical patterns to come up w/ ways it's all metaphor
Thanks!

I, and correct me if I'm wrong, believe the bible states that numerology etc is a sin and I didn't know if this fell under that definition or if there was a genuine pattern that God followed that man just picked up on or what.

I'm very hesitant to say anything concrete to my family, as they are not saved yet and I don't want to steer them incorrectly, so could really use some guidance on a lot of things and this is one of those things that came up for which I had no answer.

Part of me thinks its manmade superstition, part of me wonders if I'm just ignorant of the Hebrew customs from where this might have come, part of me thinks it's not literal, part of me thinks it is and part of me thinks I'll never have the answer but not sure what to do with that for the family.
 
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Apologies if this is in the wrong section, please move or educate me, as required.

I have asked if the chaplains are the place to go with these questions, because I don't know what a chaplain is, so while I'm awaiting response I hoped you all might be able to assist.

So, the bible makes so many references to the number 7. Everything happens in 7s, e.g. 7 days and I just wondered what the reason was for this?

There was a gentleman who I used to talk to who highlighted this and I scoffed at him telling him that the bible wasn't some mystical text filled with numerology so, if he explained it to me, I missed out due to my arrogance as I wasn't actually reading the Bible at the time and thought he was misguided about seeing a pattern of instances. But, as I read, he is correct and I have no idea why the number features so heavily.

Thanks for your help, as always, God bless.
Although certain numbers in the bible do have meanings, (7 is perfection or completeness, for example), there are some people who take it much further, and claim that (for example) by using the number associated with each letter in a biblical name (in Hebrew or Greek), and adding up the numbers associated with all the letters in the name, one can get more understanding of God's word. I certainly don't agree with that. God would have made it clear to us that such numerology was needed in order to study the bible.
 
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Thank you so much!

I assume this is not written in black and white, in scripture, but has been ascertained via patterns in scripture?
Some things are written in black and white.

For example, God created the earth in six days and rested and sanctified the seventh day.

The seventh day is written three times in this passage and in the bible to emphasize something of importance, they do not get louder, they repeat it.

Exo 20:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Then we see this pattern again and is literally written by the finger of God in the Ten Commandments Exo 31:18 and God showing the Sabbath day being holy started from Creation- so it was always part of His perfect plan before the fall of man and sin entered.

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.


You also see this repeated later in Hebrews

Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”
Do you know who originally saw the pattern or what other patterns there are?
There is a pattern you will see when you start reading the Bible. Its not just numbers that mean something colors have meaning as do words- like a women in the Bible often refers to a church Eph 5:25. There are two women in revelations so the women clothed in light (or righteousness) means God's holy church, verses the adulteress women (harlot) represents the apostate church. The most important thing is to let the Bible define and explain Itself, which is does. Keep reading the Bible and ask for the presence of the Holy Spirit to help you understand His holy word. The more you read His word, the deeper understanding you will receive. It's important if someone else is telling you something different than what the Scriptures teach, the Scriptures are to be our guide and path Psa 119:105
I don't want to tell the family anything that's not correct (I read the bible to them almost nightly and they have asked this and so many other questions that I don't have the answers to), so really appreciate your help, thank you!
I think everything God does is in perfect design and there are lots of layers to God's word, while its something I find interesting the patterns being used, but what's more important is what is the message God is trying to teach us though His word. I personally would not fixate on numbers too much and like anything we can take what God gave us and use it for our reasoning and make something good into something that was never God's intention.


I pray this helps a little!

God bless
 
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Apologies if this is in the wrong section, please move or educate me, as required.

I have asked if the chaplains are the place to go with these questions, because I don't know what a chaplain is, so while I'm awaiting response I hoped you all might be able to assist.

So, the bible makes so many references to the number 7. Everything happens in 7s, e.g. 7 days and I just wondered what the reason was for this?

There was a gentleman who I used to talk to who highlighted this and I scoffed at him telling him that the bible wasn't some mystical text filled with numerology so, if he explained it to me, I missed out due to my arrogance as I wasn't actually reading the Bible at the time and thought he was misguided about seeing a pattern of instances. But, as I read, he is correct and I have no idea why the number features so heavily.

Thanks for your help, as always, God bless.

The number seven was important in the ancient near east and often associated with divinity, for example the idea that there were seven heavens (we get a glimpse into this when St. Paul refers to the "third heaven"). One theory is that ancient people noticed there were seven "planets", or "wandering stars"--the sun, the moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn; for ancient cultures that spent a lot of time revering the stars the fact that there were objects in the sky that moved was significant. Of course for the ancient Jewish people, while the stars, sun, moon, etc were disenchanted from their divine status and presented as God's creation (rather than worshiped as divine), ancient Israel existed in the cultural context of that world. And so a seven day week, seven wanderers, etc all were present and the number already had a culturally significant meaning. That meaning is recontextualized in Jewish religion, and the Old Testament provides us with that recontextualization, where themes are subverted and reinterpreted with the truth of God's revelation over and against the surrounding pagan beliefs.

Seven, therefore, still conveys significance as having association with the divine, with the heavens, and therefore with Divine Perfection. And thus biblical writers use that number with intention. So, in the Apocalypse, St. John for example writes of God's judgments in sevens: seven bowls of wrath for example.

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The number seven was important in the ancient near east and often associated with divinity, for example the idea that there were seven heavens (we get a glimpse into this when St. Paul refers to the "third heaven"). One theory is that ancient people noticed there were seven "planets", or "wandering stars"--the sun, the moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn; for ancient cultures that spent a lot of time revering the stars the fact that there were objects in the sky that moved was significant. Of course for the ancient Jewish people, while the stars, sun, moon, etc were disenchanted from their divine status and presented as God's creation (rather than worshiped as divine), ancient Israel existed in the cultural context of that world. And so a seven day week, seven wanderers, etc all were present and the number already had a culturally significant meaning. That meaning is recontextualized in Jewish religion, and the Old Testament provides us with that recontextualization, where themes are subverted and reinterpreted with the truth of God's revelation over and against the surrounding pagan beliefs.

Seven, therefore, still conveys significance as having association with the divine, with the heavens, and therefore with Divine Perfection. And thus biblical writers use that number with intention. So, in the Apocalypse, St. John for example writes of God's judgments in sevens: seven bowls of wrath for example.

-CryptoLutheran
Thank you.

Does the numerical significance arise from God putting significance on these numbers or man?

I can't help but admit that I feel cringe and foreboding when we discuss what I view to be numerology, mysticism etc as it pertains to the symbolic nature of numbers and how they are defined and thematic throughout the Bible.

Apologies if I'm not making sense. I've just returned from a 14 day trip which started out with a cold and has ended with a cold. I'm sleep deprived and ill but hope I'm making enough sense so that you can help me with your opinion.

Thank you.
 
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Thank you.

Does the numerical significance arise from God putting significance on these numbers or man?

I can't help but admit that I feel cringe and foreboding when we discuss what I view to be numerology, mysticism etc as it pertains to the symbolic nature of numbers and how they are defined and thematic throughout the Bible.

Apologies if I'm not making sense. I've just returned from a 14 day trip which started out with a cold and has ended with a cold. I'm sleep deprived and ill but hope I'm making enough sense so that you can help me with your opinion.

Thank you.

Well let's consider this angle: When God reveals something of Himself, how does He do it? He uses people, He uses human languages. Scripture is written by ordinary people living a specific time, a specific place, with their own language, culture, and unique context. So God is always coming down to meet us where we are to share something of Himself.

In fact God's Chief Revelation is Jesus Christ, God Incarnate, God the Son taking on human nature, born of a human mother, as a human being, with a human body, a human soul, a human mind, etc. God's greatest act of telling us about Himself is the act of the Word made flesh (John 1:14); the Word who is Himself God (John 1:1), the only-begotten of the Father (John 1:18).

God doesn't tell us to climb up to meet Him in the glorious heights of His incomprehensible Divinity--but rather God climbs down to our lowliness and humanity. That is most true in the Incarnation, but it is also true of Scripture itself: God speaking to us through ordinary human beings in human history.

God has no use for letters and numbers, He's God. He's way beyond that. But things like language, the use of letters to write down words, or the use of numbers to make sense of the world around us--that's very human. God freely engages with us on a human level to tell us about Himself.

Even the Hebrew word "el" which means "mighty [one]" (and usually translated as "god", usually in Hebrew we see the plural form Elohim used, along with the occasional singular construction of Eloah) was used by Canaanite Pagans to refer to their false chief god; but the word is used freely by God's people, as God Himself reveals Himself as the true "el", the true God. So even when talking about Himself He uses words which, in the broader context, were already used. God isn't the Canaanite "El", but rather He reveals Himself as the true el, the true God, and reveals Himself with the name YHWH (the exact pronunciation is lost to us today, but possibly was pronounced something like Yahweh, which is how it is usually transcribed today). These four letters, YHWH (specifically the Hebrew letters Yod, Hah, Vav, Hah) also happen to share a semantic connection with the Hebrew verb hayah or heyeh, "to be" as in the famous phrase God spoke to Moses "'ehyeh asher 'ehyeh", ("I AM that I AM"). Which has led to a somewhat broad consensus that YHWH means something like "He is" or "The One that Is" or "The One that Exists" etc. So we see God HImself operating within the language and context of the time and people; He uses these things to say something of Himself.

So in a culture where the number 7 already had some level of meaning (and we do not need to go to number mysticism or numerology, just a recognition that numbers sometimes have a meaning within a culture), it isn't a great stretch to imagine that God, working through human writers and speakers, would use this too. Not that 7 has an innate divine significance (it's just a number), but for the people God was speaking to, the number has symbolic value, and so it is used that way.

We have number symbolism in our modern culture too, for example we often use "a million" to simply speak of "a very large number", especially for exaggeration. "I have a million things to do today" simply means "I have a lot of things to do today". We, obviously, don't literally have a million tasks that need to be accomplished. There's nothing mystical about the number, but it is culturally significant.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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