Left-Wing Terrorism Is on the Rise

[rjs330]

Okay, so yes, leftist violence has been catching up with the right’s.
Destroying property is ”violence”.
Now, what’re we going to do about it?

1. Quit trying to excuse it by continuing to say, "well the right is worse".
2. Quit claiming the right hates everyone and they don't agree with and are just relying to take e away all their rights.
3. Quit claiming that the right is a bunch of Nazi, misogynistic racists
4. Quit claiming that Trump's administration is an authoritarian government using gestapo tactics.

Just those 4 things would tone down the rhetoric that has led to so much violence from the left. The permission structures for violence need to be ended. Because if ANY of those are true then violence is justified in order to defend oneself self and defend the nation against people who want to take away your rights and and act like Nazis and set up some sort of authoritarian government and destroy the constitution.

 

[Hazelelponi]

 

[rjs330]

Do you believe every right-wing perpetrator of violence meets the above criteria?

The vast majority, yes. The right wing perps often belong to groups and there are MANY actual groups. The left has fewer groups because thats a typical difference in operations. For an unknown reason the right like to have a group and affiliate themselves with one. The left doesn't so its harder to pin them down. The right also is more likely to do big brazen in your face stuff. The left more likely to be sneaky, behind your back stuff or something quick and run away making it harder to catch them.

Right wing organizations are much more likely to be designated terrorist groups due their proclivity toward organized groups. It wasnt until Trump designated ANTIFA as a terrorist group that they were one. A right wing guy with Nazi tats who.committed a murder (not even on a minority) is going to be labeled with right wing murder.

The same could be said about many white supremacists and other right-wing perpetrators of violence. .

Rarely. Happens all the time with the left.

The PIRUS database is the most comprehensive and respected resource available in regard to tracking violent extremism in the US, and while its methodology for inclusion in the dataset isn't perfect, incidents by all ideologies are going to be undercounted, not just left-wing ideologies like ANTIFA.

The reasons why its not accurate as to the actual amount of violence by the left has been stated. How many Tesla Owners had their cars vandalized? How many Tesla dealers were vandalized. Are any of them on that chart? What about all the pregnancy caring centers that have been attacked? Are any of them included in that chart? Thats why it's misleading.

Anyway I'm done now. At least now its being g recognized that left wing violence has increased and is now more rampant than right wing violence. I believe its going to get worse. But I could be wrong. We'll see.

 

[JosephZ]

Right wing organizations are much more likely to be designated terrorist groups due their proclivity toward organized groups. It wasnt until Trump designated ANTIFA as a terrorist group that they were one.

Acts of violence by ANTIFA have been included in the PIRUS database and reports on violent extremism since 2018, so designating ANTIFA as a terrorist group doesn't make a difference one way or another when it comes to acts of violence by ANTIFA being counted.

A right wing guy with Nazi tats who.committed a murder (not even on a minority) is going to be labeled with right wing murder.

Not in the PIRUS database or studies and reports on violent extremism in the US. The ADL has included such events in their reports because the purpose is to show that those with right-wing ideologies are more likely to commit acts of violence than those with left-wing ideologies, whether the crime is ideologically motivated or not.

The reasons why its not accurate as to the actual amount of violence by the left has been stated. How many Tesla Owners had their cars vandalized? How many Tesla dealers were vandalized. Are any of them on that chart? What about all the pregnancy caring centers that have been attacked? Are any of them included in that chart?

Yes, all of the above examples above are included if there is a conviction. For example, if a rock is thrown through the window of an abortion clinic and the person is convicted and found to adhere to a right-wing ideology, they will be counted. It would be the same if a person who adheres to a left-wing ideology threw a rock through the window of a Tesla dealership and was convicted. If either is not charged or is later found not guilty, they will not be counted. The inclusion criteria for the PIRUS database is consistant regardless of ideology.

At least now its being recognized that left wing violence has increased and is now more rampant than right wing violence.

This isn't true. While there has been an increase in left-wing violence in recent years, there is no evidence that it has become more rampant than right-wing violence.

 

[Larniavc]

4. Quit claiming that Trump's administration is an authoritarian government using gestapo tactics.

To be fair this one is real. Masked armed state operatives snatching people off the streets. Armed soldiers patrolling the streets. People who criticise the administration forced out of their jobs. Data critical of the politics of the administration deleted.

Seems pretty clear cut.

 

[Chesterton]

Excellent talk. Thanks for introducing me to him.

 

[Chesterton]

Okay, so yes, leftist violence has been catching up with the right’s.
Destroying property is ”violence”.
Now, what’re we going to do about it?

I don't know what we're going to do because I'm not in charge. But if I were in charge, what we'd do would be legal, but look similar to Chicago 1968, after which the streets got more peaceful for a few decades.

 

[essentialsaltes]

While this current trend is of interest, a White House Deputy Press Secretary Abigail Jackson helpfully offered a graph to put it in context.

(Note, it's not (yet) a 30 year high, but 30 years since the last time left wing terrorism outweighed right wing terrorism.)