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Your video didn’t make your point.
All I saw were some politicians bemoaning the fact that ICE agents were “disappearing“ people off the streets, while hiding their own (the ICE agent’s) indentities.
You didnt hear the gestapo references? You didnt hear the last guy attacking them say we need to stop them by any means necessary? Thats the rhetoric dude. More references to Nazis.

If you cant see tgat then I give up.
 
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For the first time since the 90! Kudos.
Yes Kudos. As it should be. Left wing violence is up. Shame.
IT's disappointing when "observations" are classified as attacks.
Calling someone a racist dictator is not an observation. Neither is doing everything in your power to put them in jail.
Or was the 2nd one proven? The one that didn't get the shot out; where he was rooting around in a hedge?
The second one was.
For the last 3 years we've been putting up data that show an increase in Far Right violence
The increase is from the left not the right.
 
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Nice try. For the last 3 years we've been putting up data that show an increase in Far Right violence
Let's test this. Am increase you say. Give us the incidents of the right wing violence since 2022.

I'll even spot you the Buffalo killings. We are talking all incidents of violence. Not just murders.
 
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Trumps rhetoric is based on personal attacks by the left. The attacks to destroy him and his family. REAL attacks from democrats to destroy his life and put him in jail.
He deserves to be in jail. That's where criminals belong.
Including two attempts on his life.
One by a Republican, another by ... a nut?
When you start decrying the violence and rhetoric from the left I'll take you seriously.
What violence? Just over the last two weeks it's mostly from the right.
 
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Let's test this. Am increase you say. Give us the incidents of the right wing violence since 2022.

I'll even spot you the Buffalo killings. We are talking all incidents of violence. Not just murders.
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National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START), University of Maryland. (2024). Profiles of Individual Radicalization in the United States (PIRUS) [Data file]. Retrieved from http://www.start.umd.edu/data-tools/profiles-individual-radicalization-united-states-pirus
 
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National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START), University of Maryland. (2024). Profiles of Individual Radicalization in the United States (PIRUS) [Data file]. Retrieved from http://www.start.umd.edu/data-tools/profiles-individual-radicalization-united-states-pirus
Irrelevant. Its only considering offenders who have been convicted. Its bad methodology. What about all the leftist violence where no one was convicted. Like all the antifa violence? Rhe violence against Tesla. The violence against pregnancy caring centers. None of that is included. So, no this chart doesn't give an accurate picture. Is this chart only counting homicides? Then its not complete. Does this chart only count where the violence was directed at a certain group, like minorities or governement agents? Or does it include those who murdered someone and the offender is meets a criteria, but its actually not the reason for the murder?

I'm talking incidents. And since 2016 leftist violence has increased to the point where its greater than right wing violence. And since 2020 its been rhe largest amount of violence. I will admit over all they have probably committed fewer murders based solely on ideology. But over all violence. The left has been worse.
 
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He deserves to be in jail. That's where criminals belong.
Really? Is that where Hillary Clinton belongs?
One by a Republican, another by ... a nut?
A kid who originally registered as one, but never voted. Then gave money to democrats. Rhe other is a leftist. Leftist violence.
What violence? Just over the last two weeks it's mostly from the right.
Nope, the left.
 
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What about all the leftist violence where no one was convicted. Like all the antifa violence?
What about all of the right-wing violence where no one was convicted?

Rhe violence against Tesla. The violence against pregnancy caring centers. None of that is included.
All violence, including that against Tesla and pregnancy care centers, is included when there is a conviction and the individuals ideology played a role in the crime. All of the Tesla attacks below that result in convictions will be included in the PIRUS dataset.

In Loveland, Colorado, a Tesla dealership was targeted in a series of five attacks with graffiti and Molotov cocktails throughout January, February, and March. Two suspects have been arrested for the attacks. On January 20 and February 19, an individual attacked a Tesla dealership in Salem, Oregon, with Molotov cocktails and gunfire. On March 3, seven Tesla charging stations were set on fire at a shopping center outside Boston. On March 6 and 13, a Tesla dealership in Tigard, Oregon, was targeted with gunfire, causing damage to vehicles and the building. On March 7 in North Charleston, South Carolina, a suspect threw Molotov cocktails at a Tesla charging station, accidentally setting himself on fire before being arrested. On March 9, four Cybertrucks were burned in a parking lot in Seattle, Washington. On March 18, two separate incidents occurred. In Las Vegas, a Tesla service center was damaged with gunfire and set ablaze with Molotov cocktails and in Kansas City, Missouri, two Tesla Cybertrucks burned at a Tesla dealership.


Is this chart only counting homicides?
No, it counts all acts of violence, including vandalism.

does it include those who murdered someone and the offender is meets a criteria, but its actually not the reason for the murder?
No, there must be a direct relationship between the perpetrator's ideology and the crime.

I'm talking incidents.
I set the filters on the PIRUS tool to include all incidents of violence, not just murders.

And since 2016 leftist violence has increased to the point where its greater than right wing violence. And since 2020 its been rhe largest amount of violence.
100% not true.

I will admit over all they have probably committed fewer murders based solely on ideology. But over all violence. The left has been worse.
There is zero evidence to support your claims that left-wing violence is greater than right-wing and the largest amount of violence since 2020 has been left-wing or worse than right-wing. A recent study by CSIS does show that acts of left-wing terrorism in 2025 have outpaced that of the right for the first time in 30 years, but that only includes acts of terrorism, not all violence. It's also too early to tell if this is just a blip or the beginning of a trend.
 
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You didnt hear the gestapo references? You didnt hear the last guy attacking them say we need to stop them by any means necessary? Thats the rhetoric dude. More references to Nazis.

If you cant see tgat then I give up.
If the shoe doth fit…
 
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All violence, including that against Tesla and pregnancy care centers, is included when there is a conviction and the individuals ideology played a role in the crime.
Yeah thats the problem. Only convictions is counted. I'm talking about all the violence by the left not just convictions.

We have had far too many leftists arrested and charges dropped by leftist prosecutors.

So sorry, I think leftist violence out paces right violence since 2020 for sure.
 
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Lol, I don't think we've ever called people Nazis or gestapo.
Of course not. "Commie" is more like it. How about "blasphemous pervert?" That's what the President called the Bishop of DC.
 
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Yeah thats the problem. Only convictions is counted. I'm talking about all the violence by the left not just convictions.

We have had far too many leftists arrested and charges dropped by leftist prosecutors.

So sorry, I think leftist violence out paces right violence since 2020 for sure.
You might think that left-wing violence has outpaced right-wing violence since 2020, but there is no evidence this is true. In fact, all of the available data points to the opposite. The FBI database on violent extremism doesn't have the same criteria as PIRUS that there must be a conviction for inclusion. It even includes individuals that are only suspected of wanting to carry out an act of violence and plots that were stopped before they took place. It also shows that right-wing violence has far outpaced left-wing violence since 2020.
 
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Is there a grievance with all women of color politicians? Or is there a grievance with a few who happen to to be women of color?
Can you name a female American politician of colour Trump has opined on without any negative implication?
 
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Can you name a female American politician of colour Trump has opined on without any negative implication?
Tulsi Gabbard, Nikki Haley, Winsome Earle-Sears, Lynne Patton, Maria Salazar...
 
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Of course not. "Commie" is more like it. How about "blasphemous pervert?" That's what the President called the Bishop of DC.
I think the only person Ive ever called a communist was Mamdani. I certainly havent painted all progressives that way, not the Democrats in general nor any president or his administration. Mamdani gets the title because nearly all his policies are communistic in nature.

Yeah, Trump.says a lot of things about people and a lot of people say a lot of things gs about him. Tit for tat.

But in general, the left is far more vocal about throwing out the rhetoric against conservatives than the other way around. We see it all the time in these forums.
 
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But in general, the left is far more vocal about throwing out the rhetoric against conservatives than the other way around. We see it all the time in these forums.

Well that's simply untrue.

Perhaps you just aren't paying attention. I bet I could do a casual browse and find an assortment of antagonistic threads about liberals/leftists. These forums are themselves biased. That's not something I complain about, nor am I complaining now. But it is true. It is perfectly valid to say that "trans people have a mental disorder" on these forums. It is not acceptable to, however, defend LGBTQ+ persons, that is against forum rules. So if you want to use these forums as evidence in favor of what you're saying, you are simply failing. There is a clear and obvious political bias, certain viewpoints are censured here--and even still we all still agree to abide by the rules.

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Well that's simply untrue.

Perhaps you just aren't paying attention. I bet I could do a casual browse and find an assortment of antagonistic threads about liberals/leftists. These forums are themselves biased. That's not something I complain about, nor am I complaining now. But it is true. It is perfectly valid to say that "trans people have a mental disorder" on these forums. It is not acceptable to, however, defend LGBTQ+ persons, that is against forum rules. So if you want to use these forums as evidence in favor of what you're saying, you are simply failing. There is a clear and obvious political bias, certain viewpoints are censured here--and even still we all still agree to abide by the rules.

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I disagree. Those who speak tye truth regarding transgender mental health are called transphobic. Those who don't support the LGBT agenda are called homophobes. I could go on but I wont. Im not talking about prople saying "you are a homophobe". But they do say its homophobic or transphobic etc.
 
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