Kamala Harris says picking a gay man for VP was too big of a risk

[RileyG]

Or maybe it's time for another civil war or a massive succession of states. Not that I'm promoting either. But the rumblings are already audible. California is talking exit, and not just there. And look at Canada, where Alberta has already called the question of leaving Canada, with Sask and BC and Manitoba not far behind. Healing is not guaranteed.

I doubt they will exist despite all the talk. I’ve heard there should be a cascade sort of state making up of that region. Doubtful it will ever occur.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

The Democrats blew it bad by supporting Biden well into his dotage, and then not having an open convention to pick a replacement for Biden instead of having Biden in his dotage pick his electoral successor. So they got the candidates they deserved. I think mayor Pete was more electable than governor Walz any day of the week though.

Biden at his worst is still better than Trump at his best, but I do wish we'd put up somebody who could have gone the full 8 years in 2020 instead of just the short-term 4. Pete was a good candidate who wasn't going to be elected because he's gay. The people who have made targeting LGBTQA+ people with unfriendly legislation their reason for getting up in the morning wouldn't have condoned or supported his election, much less voted for him. They'd have seen him as an automatic trans ally and they'd have lost their minds.

Waltz was fine, a perfectly nice guy who I'd have like to see what he'd do. If I couldn't have Pete, though, I'd have actually taken Shapiro who was a better strategic choice than Waltz, who I think is a better person.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

You could say the same thing about a business. It has to appeal to as wide a swath of people as possible.

More or less, sliding a bit heavier on the "less" than the "more."

 

[BPPLEE]

And this right here is what she was talking about when she said what she said. A certain demographic who enjoys lambasting men for being not masculine enough would never get past their biases in order to see the policies or the candidates. Y'all went there with a guy who's been married to a woman for 31 years, she can't expect people would behave better with a gay candidate.

In this case the gay candidate presents better than her pick

 

[Tropical Wilds]

So she picked Walz instead and probably lost more votes that way.

I doubt it. The people who didn't vote for her because of Waltz certainly weren't going to vote for her if she chose Pete.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

In this case the gay candidate presents better than her pick

You realize how insane it sounds to say that she should have chosen the gay candidate because the heterosexual candidate she chose acted too gay?

 

[BPPLEE]

Biden at his worst is still better than Trump at his best, but I do wish we'd put up somebody who could have gone the full 8 years in 2020 instead of just the short-term 4. Pete was a good candidate who wasn't going to be elected because he's gay. The people who have made targeting LGBTQA+ people with unfriendly legislation their reason for getting up in the morning wouldn't have condoned or supported his election, much less voted for him. They'd have seen him as an automatic trans ally and they'd have lost their minds.

Waltz was fine, a perfectly nice guy who I'd have like to see what he'd do. If I couldn't have Pete, though, I'd have actually taken Shapiro who was a better strategic choice than Waltz, who I think is a better person.

Walz is an automatic trans ally,

 

[BPPLEE]

You realize how insane it sounds to say that she should have chosen the gay candidate because the heterosexual candidate she chose acted too gay?

I know, but she went from bad to worse

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Walz is an automatic trans ally,

Another point in the "if they wouldn't vote for Waltz, they won't vote for Pete" column.

I think her mistake was hoping that people's love for their country and its people overall would outweigh its desire to rabidly hate specific minorities.

 

[BPPLEE]

I doubt it. The people who didn't vote for her because of Waltz certainly weren't going to vote for her if she chose Pete.

She probably wouldn’t have done any worse

 

[Tropical Wilds]

I know, but she went from bad to worse

Again, you're just reaffirming the supreme level of prejudice that exists with a certain group of people when it comes to gay people. They hate them SO MUCH that despite being married for 31 years and indisputably heterosexual, they don't like him because he emotes and goofs around, and as we all know, emoting and goofing around is gay. And gay is bad.

 

[chevyontheriver]

I doubt they will exist despite all the talk. I’ve heard there should be a cascade sort of state making up of that region. Doubtful it will ever occur.

My guess is Alberta votes to go independent, Saskatchewan votes to join the USA, and Manitoba eventually exits too, with all of them joining up to be a new independent country with some affinity to the USA. BC and Yukon may also go along but maybe not right away. As to the Arctic provinces they receive more from Ottawa and may be reluctant to leave. But if Manitoba leaves there is zero land link from Ottawa to those arctic territories. I think the devolution of Canada is to some extent guaranteed at this point. This is a happening thing. Much faster than I would have predicted.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

She probably wouldn’t have done any worse

This is turning into a thread where you want to remind everybody that you have an issue with Harris, gay people, and Democrats, not a discussion of the nuances of picking a VP. We all know, my guy. At this point, to keep bringing it up is just boring.

 

[BPPLEE]

Again, you're just reaffirming the supreme level of prejudice that exists with a certain group of people when it comes to gay people. They hate them SO MUCH that despite being married for 31 years and indisputably heterosexual, they don't like him because he emotes and goofs around, and as we all know, emoting and goofing around is gay. And gay is bad.

No, it’s just the irony of not picking a gay man. because he’s gay, then picking one who could pass for gay.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

My guess is Alberta votes to go independent, Saskatchewan votes to join the USA, and Manitoba eventually exits too, with all of them joining up to be a new independent country with some affinity to the USA. BC and Yukon may also go along but maybe not right away. As to the Arctic provinces they receive more from Ottawa and may be reluctant to leave. But if Manitoba leaves there is zero land link from Ottawa to those arctic territories. I think the devolution of Canada is to some extent guaranteed at this point. This is a happening thing. Much faster than I would have predicted.

This is a republican fantasy, not a reality. Canada has no desire to join the US, especially right now, when we are so intent on repeatedly humiliating ourselves on the world stage. Last spring it was Greenland, this fall it's Canada. Literally none of those countries want anything to do with joining us.

 

[BPPLEE]

This is turning into a thread where you want to remind everybody that you have an issue with Harris, gay people, and Democrats, not a discussion of the nuances of picking a VP. We all know, my guy. At this point, to keep bringing it up is just boring.

I have no issue with gay people. This thread is about one who was discriminated against

 

[Tropical Wilds]

No, it’s just the irony of not picking a gay man. because he’s gay, then picking one who could pass for gay.

Only a very, very, very specific subset of people with a very particular bias look at Tim Waltz and reach such a conclusion. The irony being I highly doubt he cares if people think he's gay because he doesn't believe there's anything wrong or shameful about it, nor is he keen to ingratiate himself to the people who think there is.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

I have no issue with gay people. This thread is about one who was discriminated against

You very, very, very clearly do. I've seen billboards less subtle.

Interesting to see that you're advocating for DEI standards, though. That's a new development.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Biden at his worst is still better than Trump at his best,

That's your opinion. Others might disagree.

but I do wish we'd put up somebody who could have gone the full 8 years in 2020 instead of just the short-term 4.

Biden promised to be a one term president. Guess he lied. Or forgot, or something.

Pete was a good candidate who wasn't going to be elected because he's gay.

He WAS elected as a mayor. So I question your staement.

The people who have made targeting LGBTQA+ people with unfriendly legislation their reason for getting up in the morning wouldn't have condoned or supported his election, much less voted for him. They'd have seen him as an automatic trans ally and they'd have lost their minds.

Who are these people? Do you have actual names?

Waltz was fine, a perfectly nice guy who I'd have like to see what he'd do. If I couldn't have Pete, though, I'd have actually taken Shapiro who was a better strategic choice than Waltz, who I think is a better person.

Walz was goofy. Not gay but goofy. He has his niche in Minnesota and is favored to be re-elected governor there. Shapiro had the big problem of being Jewish and the antifa and Hamas wings of the Democratic party would NEVER EVER have approved of that. Shapiro would actually be a better than most candidate for 2028 but he will never be approved by the Democratic Party to have that chance. Maybe he could run as an independent and have a shot.

 

[BPPLEE]

Only a very, very, very specific subset of people with a very particular bias look at Tim Waltz and reach such a conclusion. The irony being I highly doubt he cares if people think he's gay because he doesn't believe there's anything wrong or shameful about it, nor is he keen to ingratiate himself to the people who think there is.

I would have no problem voting for him if he reflected my values