The Law of God

[St. Helens]

ADVISOR HAT ON

ADVISOR HAT OFF​

 

[HIM]

Not at all. Rather, before I provide my rebuttal I wish for you to answer my question, in order to put things in their proper context.

Nonsense…take care

 

[Saber Truth Tiger]

Hi there,

I appreciate the message. That's the best thing to do, is not listen to what popular man says, prayerfully look to see what the Bible says. You will find there is not one Scripture that says the Sabbath commandment was abrogated. Jesus in His own words said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 and Scripture tells us why, God made the earth in six days and rested on the seventh day, not because He needed rest, because He is the example for man and man was made in His image and likeness Gen 1:26 to follow Him 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22, not to do something different. The Sabbath is meant to be a blessing Isa 56:1-6 and a sign of God's sanctification Eze 20:12 because man can't sanctify themselves Isa 66:17 despites ones best efforts.

Jesus never taught not to keep the Sabbath, He Himself kept the Sabbath Luke 4:16 and taught its lawful to do good on the Sabbath Mat 12:12 meaning, its still Law and its unlawful to profane the Sabbath as He stated over and over again in Scripture all with a thus saith the Lord. He even went on to say breaking the Sabbath profanes Him Eze 22:26 Jesus kept the Sabbath and He is our example in all ways 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22

God wrote His laws in the New Covenant Heb 8:10 they went from written on stone, to written on the heart 2 Cor3:3 so the only change to the Ten Commandments was the placement and the better promise of Him being the one to help us keep His commandments John 14:15-18 if we are not rebelling against God's law Heb 3:7-19 Rom 8:7-8. To claim the Sabbath is not one of God's commandments and He accidently meant to say forget the only commandment that He said Remember, that uses the word holy and is blessed by God, is not a doctrine of Scripture but sadly, the counterfeit always comes after the original. God personally numbered His commandments by design- Ten Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 not nine, nor 8, He promised He would not alter His words Psa 89:34, not a Jot or Tittle Mat 5:18, it is God personal Testimony, written personally by the God of the Universe Exo 31:18. The earthy temple was a miniature of the heavenly Temple, where lies the Ten Commandments Rev 15:5 Rev 11:19 in heaven where His word is settled Psa119:89 as it is God's standard of Judgement James 2:11 Rev 11:18-19 Mat 5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-15 why His Commandments sits under His mercy seat, which I would be leery of removing something He covers Exo 20:6. The whole Bible is about the testimony of God though the prophets and apostles, yet when it comes to God's own personal Testimony Exo 31:18 Deut 4:13 Exo 34:18 written personally by our Savior, sadly most refuse to believe. Its not the first day that the saints will come before Him to worship in the New Heaven and New Earth, its continues to be the Sabbath Isa 66:23 because it is the holy day of the Lord thy God Isa 58:13 and He changes not Mal 3:6, why Jesus in His own words said the Sabbath would be kept by His faithful some 40 years after the Cross Mat 24:20. Why we see the apostles all keeping every Sabbath decades later Acts 15:21 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 16:13 Acts 18:4 etc because His faithful follow Him and keep His commandments, His version, not the popular traditions of man. Mat 15:3-14

Regarding how to keep the Sabbath according to Scripture the Sabbath is from Friday evening to Saturday evening Lev 23:32. It’s when God asks us to put away all of our secular work and activities and focus on Him on His holy day, the only day in the entire Bible He claimed as His Isa 58:13. The Sabbath is a holy convocation Lev 23:3 or gathering (church) which again we see in the life of Jesus Luke 4:16 and apostles Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 Acts 15:21 and continuing on Isa 66:23. To me the Sabbath is about resting in Christ on the only day God set aside from Creation that He blessed and sanctified for holy use to spend time with His creation on the day He commanded to keep holy. Exo 20:8-11. I spend my Sabbath going to church, reading the bible, praying, singing praise songs, sharing my faith and try to help others in need. I have found since I have made a priority to put aside all of the secular activities and keep God's Sabbath He has blessed me ten-fold.

I would be happy to discuss any difficult Scripture about the Sabbath. You are free to ask any questions or PM if you like. I would recommend praying to Jesus and ask Him to help you with the Scriptures and I always pray to replace my will with His.

God bless!

I would like to discuss the Sabbath with you one day. Just not now. But one day.

 

[Saber Truth Tiger]

I'm here when you're ready. I'll PM you and you can reply when you're ready.

God bless!

How do I PM you?

Thanks,
STT

 

[DamianWarS]

I find it perplexing that so many people relate the Ten Commandments as the law of Moses when the Law itself has nothing to do with Moses, but has everything to do with our relationship with God

The term "Law of Moses" is a reference of utility, not of origin (in terms of who made it). The NT does not refer to a terminology that can uniquely isolate the 10 commandments but when it does reference the law it often simply uses "the law". This isn't to isolate the 10 but a reference to entire Torah which includes the 10. The NT also uses the term "The Law of Moses" which is probably why the Church uses it so often and biblically speaking it is used even as a reference to laws found in the 10 commandments. For example, John 7:23 "Now if a boy can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses may not be broken, why are you angry with me for healing a man’s whole body on the Sabbath?" Although there are laws outside the 10 that detail sabbath requirement, for example Lev 23:3, the way Jesus uses the reference should not be seen as omitting the 10 but rather including it. In fact, all the laws in the 10 are referenced outside the 10 so there is complete overlap if you're trying to contrast the two. You may see the term as too ambiguous, but like I mentioned, the NT does not isolate the 10, and feels it is responsible enough to just say "law" or use "law of Moses".

It does depend on how the term is being used of course. If in a diminutive sense, to rank it lower because it's "just from the man Moses" then this is something that would need to be clarified, but generally speaking, it's overly pedantic to say using "the law of Moses" to reference the 10 is irresponsible on some level. It's a misnomer at best, but misnomers are not irresponsible to use, provided the reference is clear (just try to ask for some tin foil and I guarantee what you get will not be tin at all, but aluminum). Within context, the law of Moses should be clear enough but if you think the term is being abused, then it's best to ask the intended meaning first.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The term "Law of Moses" is a reference of utility, not of origin (in terms of who made it). The NT does not refer to a terminology that can uniquely isolate the 10 commandments but when it does reference the law it often simply uses "the law". This isn't to isolate the 10 but a reference to entire Torah which includes the 10. The NT also uses the term "The Law of Moses" which is probably why the Church uses it so often and biblically speaking it is used even as a reference to laws found in the 10 commandments. For example, John 7:23 "Now if a boy can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses may not be broken, why are you angry with me for healing a man’s whole body on the Sabbath?" Although there are laws outside the 10 that detail sabbath requirement, for example Lev 23:3, the way Jesus uses the reference should not be been seen as omitting the 10 but rather including it. In fact, all the laws in the 10 are referenced outside the 10 so there is complete overlap if you're trying to contrast the two. You may see the term as too ambiguous, but like I mentioned, the NT does not isolate the 10, and feels it is responsible enough to just say "law" or use "law of Moses".

It does depend on how the term is being used of course. If in a diminutive sense, to ranking it lower because it's "just from the man Moses" then this is something that would need to be clarified, but generally speaking, it's overly pedantic to say using "the law of Moses" to reference the 10 is irresponsible on some level. It's a misnomer at best, but misnomers are not irresponsible to use, provided the reference is clear (just trying to ask for some tin foil and I guarantee what you get will not be tin at all, but aluminum). Within context, the law of Moses should be clear enough but if you think it is being abused, then it's best to ask the intended meaning first.

You will have to take this up with God. Why He isolated the Ten Commandments from all others laws, hence the number Ten. The only law thats sits under His mercy seat, where He wrote Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.


Deu 4:13 So He (God) declared to you His (God) covenant which He (God)commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He (God) wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

John 7:23 If read in context is referring to circumcision in the law of Moses that they were doing on the Sabbath one of the Ten Commandments thus saith the Lord. Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28

John 7:23 If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath, so that the law of Moses should not be broken (getting circumcised) , are you angry with Me because I made a man completely well on the Sabbath?

Acts 15:1 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.

 

[DamianWarS]

You will have to take this up with God. Why He isolated the Ten Commandments from all others laws, hence the number Ten. The only law thats sits under His mercy seat, where He wrote Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.


Deu 4:13 So He (God) declared to you His (God) covenant which He (God)commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He (God) wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

John 7:23 If read in context is referring to circumcision in the law of Moses that they were doing on the Sabbath one of the Ten Commandments thus saith the Lord. Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28

John 7:23 If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath, so that the law of Moses should not be broken (getting circumcised) , are you angry with Me because I made a man completely well on the Sabbath?

Acts 15:1 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.

You've confused my point and focused on something I never brought up. My point is not about how the 10 are treated in the old covenant, it's about how they are treated in the new and that using "Law of Moses" to reference them is fine. Sure the 10 were placed in the ark but what does that have to do with if it's proper or not to reference them as the law of Moses?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You've confused my point and focused on something I never brought up. My point is not about how the 10 are treated in the old covenant, it's about how they are treated in the new and that using "Law of Moses" to reference them is fine. Sure the 10 were placed in the ark but what does that have to do with if it's proper or not to reference them as the law of Moses?

The law of Moses is not the Ten Commandments in old or new testament according to the Testimony of God. Deut 4:13 Mat 15:3-14 The law of Moses of course includes the Ten as it is for all people in all times. Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14 but it is indeed separated by God. Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 Deut 31:24-26

 

[DamianWarS]

The law of Moses is not the Ten Commandments in old or new testament according to the Testimony of God. Deut 4:13 Mat 15:3-14 The law of Moses of course includes the Ten as it is for all people in all times. Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14 but it is indeed separated by God. Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 Deut 31:24-26

what is John 7:23 referencing?

the NT doesn't use terminology to isolate the 10. the law of Moses is used in the NT as well as just "the law" but never to isolate the 10, rather to reference the whole law (torah). So why protest this so much? What is your motivation?

 

[HIM]

what is John 7:23 referencing?

the NT doesn't use terminology to isolate the 10. the law of Moses is used in the NT as well as just "the law" but never to isolate the 10, rather to reference the whole law (torah). So why protest this so much? What is your motivation?

John 7:23 does not prove your point my friend. Nor is it a direct rebuttal to her post. SB can show you that. The protesting and motivation comes from the fact that an overwhelming majority of people who profess Christ are not keeping the Sabbath as God put forth and we are called to bring people back into our Creators arms because they are living in sin.

 

[DamianWarS]

John 7:23 does not prove your point my friend. Nor is it a direct rebuttal to her post. SB can show you that. The protesting and motivation comes from the fact that an overwhelming majority of people who profess Christ are not keeping the Sabbath as God put forth and we are called to bring people back into our Creators arms because they are living in sin.

My protest is that it isn't irresponsible to the use the term the "law of Moses" to reference the 10 commandments. Even without John 7:23 the NT does not use a special qualifier for the 10. It is always the law and often times even broader saying the law and the prophets. the 10 are certainly within, but the point is the 10 are not separated from the law.

To this day Jews are very dependant upon oral tradition/oral torah over written Torah as to them the oral is required to understand the written (the oral is actually written down). Many Jews don't know the written Torah very well or more broadly the Tanakh. Christians probably know OT scripture better than most Jews. The pharisees where able to gain influence by imposing oral tradition to interpret the written. We comment often counting all the 613 laws and say this is the sort of stuff pharisaical influence imposed but it's not the written stuff that was their influence it was through the unwritten stuff in oral tradition over the 613 laws.

Christ comments to scholars, Sadducees, pharaisees, etc.. is often pointed at these oral traditions, and he quotes from law to defend himself. His goal was not to isolate the 10 separating them from the rest of law (in whatever terminologies you want to call law) his goal was to show he is the living Torah, the written Torah points to him and it all should be interpreted through him (yes even the Sabbath). This is why the pharaisees and the like were the antithesis to Christ because they implicitly opposed him as the living Torah through conflicting oral traditions. If Christ himself is the true interpretation of Torah then conflicting oral traditions would be akin to an anti-Christ.

The broader argument from the OP hinges on the idea the 10 should be separated citing examples like the finger of God, written on stone, or they were put in the ark, etc... these are all anecdotal, they can be used to show high value but there is no instruction to elevate them above the rest of Torah.

Onlevels this is no better than oral tradition telling us how we should interprete these details and events and what they actually mean which is missing the point. We should not be concerning ourself with layering interpretation on law to impose doctrine. Christ is the living Torah and it is he we should be looking too. The NT is not concerned with separating the 10 from the rest of law, it is about showing how Christ is that which law points to, including the 10 and that our focus should be on him. If the take away is Christ and the 10 commandments then we have grossly missed the point.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

There is nothing anecdotal about God telling us

• What His covenant consist of i.e. Ten Commandments Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13
• Whose covenant it is- Moses or God? God answers this clearly MY Covenant Deut 4:13
• Where the Ten Commandments are placed- inside the ark of the covenant Exo 25:16 Exo 40:20 under His mercy seat Exo 25:21
• The location of His covenant- which is shown both on earth and in heaven Heb 8:1-5 Rev 15:5 Rev 11:19
• And what change took place in the NC- the location of God's Laws from tables of stone to tablets of the heart 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10 Jer 31:33 keeping God's promise Psa 89:34 Mat5:18

What is sad is trying to use the God of the Old Testament against the God of the New Testament as if they are different when God said He does not change. Mal 3:6 Heb 13:8

The issue is trying to use our own man-made logic against the clear word of God. Sadly, its where most people go wrong. The whole Bible is about the testimony of God through the prophets and apostles, yet when it comes to God's own Testimony written personally by God Exo 31:18, people want to lower His Testimony to make it equal or less than the testimony of man, in essence breaking the very first commandment Exo 20:3

 

[DamianWarS]

There is nothing anecdotal about God telling us

Anecdotal doesn't mean unture it just means it's not responsible enough to form final conclusions from it. I may interview 3 people to ask them if they like apple pie and if 2 of the 3 like it I can conclude 66% of people like apple pie. That may or may not be true, but 3 people is not enough to make that statement. You've got some support for the 10 that shows they are indeed from God and with high value during a specific time. What it doesn't show is that we still need to approach them in the exact same way as Moses did.

Your knee jerk reaction may be to accuse me of not valuing things like don't steal or murder, etc... I value those those, but not because the 10 told me but because Christ told me to love my neighbour. Christ's charge for love of neighbour calls us to a higher standard then the 10 ever goes. But let's be honest, this isn't a discussion about if we think murdering, stealing, or idolatry is wrong. It's a discussion about the Sabbath.

Sabbath is not innate moral instruction and we need to be told it's rules to understand how to keep it, otherwise it is not clear. Sure we have need for rest but our physical needs do not calibrate with a 7 day cycle, where the 7th has special resting conditions. I'm not saying the Sabbath is arbitrary but if all we see in the Sabbath is the surface commandment of the 4th then we are doing a gross disservice to it.

Sabbath points to Christ and it's where our focus should be on, not on a day. Christ's issues with the pharaisees was their oral interpretation they imposed on others that conflicted with what Jesus taught. Christ was not trying to do away with the Torah, but he was trying to do away with these oral traditions that distracted from the purpose of the Torah which is to reveal Christ.

Even Sabbath reveals Christ yet I only see a distracted message here in these forms and I'm not interested in it. I'm only interested in how Sabbath reveals Christ so let's talk more about that.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Anecdotal doesn't mean unture it just means it's not responsible enough to form final conclusions from it.

If we don't have God's Testimony as final word, then whose word are we replacing His with. Isa8:20 I am not interested in debating our ideas over God's word- either His word is final or its not, not much more I can say other than agree to disagree.

 

[DamianWarS]

If we don't have God's Testimony as final word, then whose word are we replacing His with. Isa8:20 I am not interested in debating our ideas over God's word- either His word is final or its not, not much more I can say other than agree to disagree.

You will have to unpack what you mean by "God's Testimony" and what you mean by dropping Isa 8:20 too? Are you using this expression/verse to elevate the 10 commandments because it's not clear based on the expression or verse. Can you explain how you make your connections? What of the Abrahamic covenant? Is that God's testimony too? Ultimately, isn't Christ God's perfect testimony? Are you saying I should look to Christ as the final word?

 

[HIM]

Sabbath is not innate moral instruction

That is subjective on your part.

 

[HIM]

What of the Abrahamic covenant?

Galatians couples it with the new. The blessedness that we receive is oneness in Christ. Which is through His Spirit. In this we receive the Law, His Word in our hearts, the new Covenant. And this is where our new faith is from. The new hearts. We are a new creation begotten by the word of truth. We are now people of faith.

 

[DamianWarS]

That is subjective on your part.

If you accuse me of subjectivity, then we will need a critical discussion on the objective morality within the 4th commandment. Critical discussions seem to be lacking in this subject so it will be a welcome change.

I will conceded obedience is an innate moral behaviour but obedience is a dependant action requiring instruction first in order to obey (or reject). Obedience also applies to all 613 laws equally and the Sabbath has no special authority being a better kind of obedience then that of circumcision which like Sabbath is also a sign of an everlasting covenant.

The commandments 1-3 are of monotheistic values and so long as we can agree that monotheism is naturally understood than monotheistic dependant morality like no other gods, or taking his name in vain or idolatry inherit the same.

Commandments 6-10 are all about not harming others and so long as we can agree that we can innately understand that stealing, murdering, coveting , sleeping with another man's wife are harmful then we can agree these are innately moral and do not require prompting in order to understand.

Commandment 5 is a special case for honoring parents. We can observe this phenomenon even in wildlife (a duckling follows it's mother, etc...) so know it is naturally understood and is benefitial for sustainability to preserve, protect and honor where you came from. No argument here that the 5th commandment can be innately understood.

But the 4th is different. It demands a ceremony of rest on the 7th day sundown to sundown. Although I can agree we have natural cycles that can govern routine rest, these are not innately calibrated to this 7 day system, and it widely varies from person to person.

Unlike the 5th it is not a phenomenon that we see demonstrated in wildlife. The duckling naturally follows it's mother, and even they may have natural lunar cycles that dictate resting behavioir but neither the mother nor young rest on the Sabbath as the 4th demands. They gather, eat, work, play, rest as they do any other day.

The 4th proposes special day action (or inaction) that is not the same as any other day. Stealing, murdering, or sleeping with your neighbour's wife is always immoral (even in war) but the Sabbath has boundaries where actions that are considered honourable on one day become dishonourable on another. These are not the characteristics of innately understood morality as it needs to be told first to understand and follow it.

Sundown to sundown is also inexact and changes upon seasons, even to the extreme where the sun never sets or the sun never rises in some places. Where there can be Sabbath solutions to these they are highly dependent (subjective) to the knowledge of the law in order to obey and are not naturally understood. If we only measure days by when the sun sets or rises then there are some places in the world that have 6 months of light and 6 months of darkness. The darkness is different as a sliver of sun may peak up simultaneously having a sunrise/set event so days may be counted (after a week or so of darkness) but for the period of light it would take 6 months before the day ceases. Either making a continuous Sabbath or a continuous no Sabbath (at least for 6 months). This shows us Sabbath system is a dependent system where natural order may put the days out of sync.

There is also the international date line. Although a modern boundary it is still a requirement because the earth is a sphere. Samoa and American Samoa are less than an hour flight from each other but are 24 hours different in time zones. I'm sure there are some who commute from one place to another that they may actually miss the Sabbath completely or a household on one island will have Sabbath, where the other island it's still preparation day. Who tells them which is the right Sabbath?

These are very dependant systems that require knowledge of the law and knowledge of global systems and even special exceptions that most definitely effect some people in order to participate in Sabbath practice. With added complexities in polar regions or international date line I'm sure there are some controversies and although I can think of some logical solutions I can't be sure everyone would agree with it and it requires some more study into it just to know what is sabbath and what is not. This does not describe a system we can naturually all come to the same conclusions about. I can't say the same about any other law in the 10, the 4th is unique in that it is not innate and needs to be told first to understand it. The Sabbath itself is inately subjective, since its subjectivity is based on what day it is to know what action or inaction is honorable making its moral component also subjective.

Galatians couples it with the new. The blessedness that we receive is oneness in Christ. Which is through His Spirit. In this we receive the Law, His Word in our hearts, the new Covenant. And this is where our new faith is from. The new hearts. We are a new creation begotten by the word of truth. We are now people of faith.

Galatians couples the spiritual promises with the new, while at the same time decoupling the physical requirement, explicitly calling circumcision nothing eg G5:6, G6:15 (in terms of abrahamic) but is the abrahamic the same convenant that Sabbath falls under or should we separate them?

Ps 105:8-11 (also 1 Chronicles 16:15-18)
He remembers his covenant forever,
the promise he made, for a thousand generations,
the covenant he made with Abraham,
the oath he swore to Isaac.
He confirmed it to Jacob as a decree,
to Israel as an everlasting covenant:
“To you I will give the land of Canaan
as the portion you will inherit.”

This passage conflates the covenants, showing us the promise remains the same. It seems there is a lot of effort to separate the covenant established upon Mt. Sinai where the 10 commandments were made (I'm too afriad to give it a name since there's too much protest here surounding a name) but this separting the 10 doesn't seem to be a biblical value or motivation, only a locallized value affirmed through Mosaic accounts. today the promise is the same, but it is not about physical land, it is a spiritual promise. As Galatians says, circumcision is nothing so too is sabbath day requirement. the value of circumcision points to the spiritual in the new and it is the spiritual that we focus on and this is the same with the sabbath.

 

[guevaraj]

I'm only interested in how Sabbath reveals Christ.

Brother, the Sabbath reveals that Jesus is our creator by showing that He was with us from the beginning. The Sabbath proves that Jesus established the Prime Meridian on Earth, as the oldest tradition, ingrained in all of us since Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve passed on the beginning of the day to us, establishing the Prime Meridian. Jesus is in control of His word, for He has consistently told us the beginning of the day, while humans have misinterpreted it since Joshua misinterpreted the earlier Sabbath given in Jerusalem 3,000 years ago. Prophets since Joshua have not altered God's word to fit Judaism's erroneous view of the beginning of the day, which is correct to this day in the word of God given by over 38 prophets after Joshua. Jesus calls us in the New Covenant book of Hebrews to correct Joshua's erroneous view of the Sabbath, confirming that Jesus was with us from the beginning by having established the Prime Meridian on Earth where the days of the week begin.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Brother, the Sabbath reveals that Jesus is our creator by showing that He was with us from the beginning. The Sabbath proves that Jesus established the Prime Meridian on Earth, as the oldest tradition, ingrained in all of us since Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve passed on the beginning of the day to us, establishing the Prime Meridian. Jesus is in control of His word, for He has consistently told us the beginning of the day, while humans have misinterpreted it since Joshua misinterpreted the earlier Sabbath given in Jerusalem 3,000 years ago. Prophets since Joshua have not altered God's word to fit Judaism's erroneous view of the beginning of the day, which is correct to this day in the word of God given by over 38 prophets after Joshua. Jesus calls us in the New Covenant book of Hebrews to correct Joshua's erroneous view of the Sabbath, confirming that Jesus was with us from the beginning by having established the Prime Meridian on Earth where the days of the week begin.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Please lets not take this off topic.

This thread is not about the Sabbath as an individual commandment. It is about it being part of the Ten Commandments the Law of God. If you wish to continue please just start your own thread.

Hoping to get back on track.

Thanks