ABC pulls Jimmy Kimmel Live after comments on Charlie Kirk

[NxNW]

I made a mistake. I should have said 30 years ago.

Clinton was elected because Bush Sr got us into a recession and raised taxes. The economy under Clinton was good, and he eliminated the deficit.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Bill Clinton committed no such crimes.

Bill Clinton would have been sent to jail for life if he was a regular person who lied about adultery in the workplace.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Bill Clinton committed no such crimes.

His sperm stain on Monica's dress says otherwise.

 

[Chesterton]

Especially auto racing.

You're the third person to do this. There's a reason a thread is called a "thread". You're supposed to follow it. If some of you are incapable of reading posts you should probably find a simpler hobby.

 

[Chesterton]

That was 27 years ago, not 30 years ago. Your phrasing was very unclear.

I honestly don't know if you're joking or not.

 

[NxNW]

You're the third person to do this.

If so many people are refuting your false claims, perhaps you might consider posting accurate information?

 

[Chesterton]

If so many people are refuting your false claims, perhaps you might consider posting accurate information?

I earlier made a post which said almost the exact same thing you said. I said yacht racing, you said auto racing. Try to keep up.

 

[rjs330]

Calling me disingenuous presupposes that I'm not speaking frankly and honestly. But I am.

Unfortunately you aren't. You made two statements that were not complete. You made it sound like the left were all

People on the left have expressed the sentiment that this was a tragedy, what I'm seeing on the right is seeing this as an opportunity to exploit--and it's morally repugnant.

So you made the left all sound like they thought it was a tragedy while saying nothing about the right think so and making it sound like they are just using it as an opportunity.

Totally disingenuous. There are SO many on the left who celebrated his death AND so many who said it was bad, but then tried excusing it with a bunch of buts.

For the most part that is the view I've seen most people on the left express: Charlie Kirk was a horrible person who said horrible things, but his death was an evil act.

Yeah this is the but, I'm talking about. He's such a terrible person. He's so terrible that someone killed him for it.

Are there some people out there on Twitter or in YouTube comments actively celebrating his death? Maybe? I don't know.

Yes there are. Many of them.

So what I do see is a condemnation of political violence, and a pushback against the claim that the left is more violent than the right (this is, objectively and factually false, based purely on raw data).

Yeah I dont believe that for a minute. Especially over the last 10 years or so. Anytime the left does violence everyone goes out of their way not to count that.

 

[rjs330]

With the rising tide of fascism in this country under Donald Trump, I am legitimately fearful for what the rest of these four years will bring. I don't know what is going to happen, but all I see is a dark cloud covering this nation.

There is no racism. The dark cloud has been growing ever since Obama took over and the left got more and more crazy and violent. They moved on from simply wanting to help.poor people and moved further and further left until the right became such a threat that the only way to end it is to.equate them with the worst people out there in history and killing them became the only option for some.

 

[JSRG]

I honestly don't know if you're joking or not.

I'm not joking. When someone says "30 years ago" I think "30 years ago". So I looked at things that were 30 years ago and couldn't find anything. Then it turned out you were talking about something that happened several years after 30 years ago. This might not have been an issue if you had specified what you were talking about, but you just said "30 years ago" and so I took you at that, hence my confusion.

 

[NxNW]

I earlier made a post which said almost the exact same thing you said. I said yacht racing, you said auto racing. Try to keep up.

Well, you can scale down to a rowing crew boat, so you even failed at refuting yourself.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Yeah this is the but, I'm talking about. He's such a terrible person.

That's not a but. It's an and.

He's so terrible that someone killed him for it.

I don't know why he was killed. I would also consider the why meaningless when it comes to the wrongness of the killing. It doesn't matter how bad Charlie Kirk was, his death was a tragic event and the act of an evil person. There is nothing that can justify his murder.

If you want to try and force me to justify Kirk's murder, it won't happen because I consider it a morally repugnant act by an evil person.

If you regard disagreeing with someone morally as defense of their murder, then that is a matter for your conscience to have to wrestle with. Namely, why you'd have that mindset.

That isn't my mindset. I think Kirk's murder was wrong. No buts about it.

I also think that, in life, Kirk was a very nasty person.

That's not a but, that's an and.

Yes there are. Many of them.

Okay. I'll believe you.

I haven't seen it.

And does that, in anyway, excuse those on the right who have celebrated, excused, and justified violence (e.g. the attack on Paul Pelosi, the January 6th insurrection, the violent treatment against immigrants by ICE agents going on right now)?

Yeah I dont believe that for a minute. Especially over the last 10 years or so. Anytime the left does violence everyone goes out of their way not to count that.

Well the thing about facts is that whether you believe them or not is irrelevant. Disagreeing with a fact simply makes you wrong.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[JSRG]

Bill Clinton would have been sent to jail for life if he was a regular person who lied about adultery in the workplace.

Definitely not true. Lying isn't a crime. Lying under oath (perjury) is, but the maximum prison sentence for perjury is 5 years in prison.

This turns to the question of whether he committed perjury. There's little dispute that Bill Clinton lied in public in his denials about the affair with Monica Lewinsky. The question, however, is whether his specific statements under oath qualified as perjury. And the answer is... it's complicated. There's a fairly good analysis of it here. It ultimately concludes:

If Clinton is being truthful about what happened (she touched some of his enumerated body parts while he did not touch any of her listed body parts), it does seem--even though it is very counterintuitive--that he is technically correct. It goes to show that the use of a written definition, adapted from a sexual harassment statute, was a very bad idea. The definition was written like a statute, and Clinton did what many lawyers tend to do with statutes--took in apart piece by piece and interpreted every word very literally in a search for loopholes. And it looks like he found one.

Of course, Clinton's explanation requires us to believe that he never touched the enumerated parts of Lewinsky's body. Monica Lewinsky has testified under oath that Clinton kissed her breasts, for instance. If that is true, that action would clearly come within the definition, and Clinton would have perjured himself. Clinton never directly admitted kissing her breast, however, so ultimately it seems to boil down to a question of whom to believe. A classic "he said/she said" scenario. I'll let the reader make his or her own judgment.

 

[ViaCrucis]

There is no racism. The dark cloud has been growing ever since Obama took over and the left got more and more crazy and violent. They moved on from simply wanting to help.poor people and moved further and further left until the right became such a threat that the only way to end it is to.equate them with the worst people out there in history and killing them became the only option for some.

This is an imaginary narrative that does not correlate with reality. The violent rhetoric with Obama's election is firmly from those on the right who were so offended that a black man was elected president that conspiracy theories about his citizenship became part of the national discourse. Sane conservatives, like Sen. John McCain, were fortunately around at the time. However, that time has passed. The principled Republicans of 20 years ago, who I could simply disagree with, have vanished--what's left are MAGA Republicans and cowards who abandoned any principles they had and lick boots. That includes our own Vice President, who at one point was able to criticize Trump, but flushed his backbone down the toilet and now sucks mud from his shoe heel.

Don't give me this flatulent nonsense. I'm not an idiot.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[rjs330]

Well the thing about facts is that whether you believe them or not is irrelevant. Disagreeing with a fact simply makes you wrong.

Nope, facts are facts. But as you well know that facts can be manipulated. For example a transgender person kills people because they are upset, thats not considered left wing violence. A right wing person kills and its is considered right wing violence.

We see that right now with Kirk's killer. The left trying very hard not to accept it eas left wing violence, to include blaming it on the MAGA movement because its right wing. Yeah there have been a minimum of 180 left wing violence acts committed over the last 10 years. And thats not even including leftist rioting. Or even some transgender shootings. So give me a break on this.

Its patently false rhat the right has committed more violence than the left over the last 10 years. You wait, there is going to be more violence from the left in years to come.

 

[rjs330]

The violent rhetoric with Obama's election is firmly from those on the right who were so offended that a black man was elected president that conspiracy theories about his citizenship became part of the national discourse.

Never happened. Another disingenuous moment. Questioning someone's citizenship who is about to be president is neither violent nor is it racist.

The principled Republicans of 20 years ago, who I could simply disagree with, have vanished--what's left are MAGA Republicans and cowards who abandoned any principles they had and lick boots. That includes our own Vice President, who at one point was able to criticize Trump, but flushed his backbone down the toilet and now sucks mud from his shoe heel.

More hatred being spewed by the left. No wonder there were TWO assassination attempts on the president with that kind of hate filled rhetoric. And no wonder Kirk was shot.

When you spend so much time accusing the others of being Nazi, authoritarian, racists trying to erase people feom.existance its no wonder people take up arms against their perceived enemies.

Tone it down.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Never happened. Another disingenuous moment. Questioning someone's citizenship who is about to be president is neither violent nor is it racist.

More hatred being spewed by the left. No wonder there were TWO assassination attempts on the president with that kind of hate filled rhetoric. And no wonder Kirk was shot.

When you spend so much time accusing the others of being Nazi, authoritarian, racists trying to erase people feom.existance its no wonder people take up arms against their perceived enemies.

Tone it down.

The absolute audacity of this post.

Good night.

 

[RDKirk]

Nope, facts are facts. But as you well know that facts can be manipulated. For example a transgender person kills people because they are upset, thats not considered left wing violence.

Being trans does not automatically signal "left wing."

For example: Blaire White. And, interestingly, Blaire also owns a formidable arsenal--Blaire has the weapons to do it.

 

[BCP1928]

His sperm stain on Monica's dress says otherwise.

What law, specifically?

 

[BCP1928]

Never happened. Another disingenuous moment. Questioning someone's citizenship who is about to be president is neither violent nor is it racist.

More hatred being spewed by the left. No wonder there were TWO assassination attempts on the president with that kind of hate filled rhetoric. And no wonder Kirk was shot.

When you spend so much time accusing the others of being Nazi, authoritarian, racists trying to erase people feom.existance its no wonder people take up arms against their perceived enemies.

Tone it down.

Why? We think it's true. Isn't that your justification for denouncing Obama's citizenship?