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Charlie Kirk - Martyr or Political Activist?

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The first martyrs said there was no King but Christ and that all the Emperor's claims to divinity were false. For that, they were called atheists and killed. But Kirk and Trump were friends, so where was the tension between Caesar and Christ? If the devil is a Democrat, then the marriage of politics and faith makes more sense, but I suspect neither major American party can make an exclusive claim on God.
You're misrepresenting what Kirk was about. Just because he was friends with Trump, doesn't
mean Kirk abandoned his faith or values. He in fact spoke of his faith in Jesus Christ, and
spoke of his beliefs against abortion, his support for marriage and family values. He lived his faith.
He was killed for these beliefs.
 
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Interesting answer, and I was completely unaware of this while at the same time being worried about how rich Kirk was. To me, it was a sign of the wrong kind of patronage. Do you have any links or evidence to support this claim
I saw a documentary on Kirk where one of his donors was speaking in it and described giving Charlie money to get him stated. He did not ask for it. It was offered to continue his work.

I just read this:



Turning Point Failed in the UK. Charlie Kirk Didn’t.​

The late conservative activist has amassed a surprising following across the Atlantic.
 
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Thanks for the clarification re this 'seven Mountain mandate'. It seems, optimistic. Is it widely held in America? I have not encountered it here. God Bless :)
It has been gaining steam. It is said to start with Bill Bright (Campus Crusade for Christ) and Loren Cunningham (Youth with a Mission). Some attribute it to a prophetic word from both of them. Francis Schaeffer (L' Abri, a great author too) is on record as having knowledge of this. All of them in the early 1970s if I recall) no one really heard about it though till probably the 2000s or so. Then it kind of morphed into something more extreme to an extent with a subset of charismatics that have a dominionist theology of the end times and the prosperity gospel. It crossed over enough to mainstream evangelical thought as even the Southern Baptist Convention about 6 years ago preached and prayed for some of the same things. Now it is getting put to the test, as there are serious changes that some espouse and the culture conflict is now even more front and center. I have myself read some of the early books promoting the seven mountain mandate. I like the idea of Christian influence but I think it has its limits until you get people saved and on board with it. This review of an upcoming book that even outlines the role of Kirk, I think is worth reading as it gives a more broad historical picture of Christian influence in politics even though it is decidely against some of the things that Trump is trying to do. Though I am not 7th Day Adventist, this article is from one of their publications. God bless you too! The Seven Mountains Mandate: Christian Dominionism's Playbook - Spectrum Magazine
 
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The death of Charlie Kirk shocked Americans and also people further afield across the world. He was a devout Christian out there sharing his faith. He was killed for his view that transsexuality is mentally delusional and a symptom of very unbiblical notions of what gender is. So since he was opposed to a culture of lies and wearing the mantle of faith when he was shot, does this make him a martyr? The question has to be considered from a more global perspective than just an American one as there is much wrong with the American culture.


The case for him being a martyr is that much of what he said reflects the deepest Christian teaching:

1. Jesus Christ is His Lord and Savior
2. A woman is what God made her; killing one's babies contradicts motherhood.
3. It is wrong to assert one's sexuality over one's relationship with God
4. Transsexuality is a symptom of a culture of lies and delusions about gender and identity.
5. The seven mountain vision of bringing Christianity into the center of society was a good and healthy one.
6. He spoke about a restoration of masculinity in an age that would prefer to emasculate men
7. What he said about the triumph of excellence and merit over quotas to remedy inequality
8. His bible based support of Israel alongside his opposition to the anti-Christian agenda of cultural Marxism

More controversial viewpoints:
1. He put a religious filter on immigration, saying people of false religions should not be allowed into the country. But he inconsistently applied this to Hispanic catholics, even though married to a catholic.
2. His views on COVID were unscientific and false
3. His view on the Ukraine war lacked geopolitical awareness of its significance to US national interest.
4. His view on global warming (that it was mainly not manmade) was scientifically false.
5. He and his family made considerable amounts of money out of his activism which provides questions about his actual motives.
6. He repeated the Big Lie that Trump peddled about the stolen election:

He was both a martyr and an activist. He always spread Christianity but also explained his faith basically informed his politics. The out of context quotes, etc. flying about have no effect on the majority and it’s not an excuse as if he deserved what happened to him.
 
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Here’s a few pieces on funding I stumbled upon. The organization keeps their donor list private but a few were mentioned in the article.

Kirk launched Turning Point USA (TPUSA) in 2012 rather than attend college after the 18-year-old received encouragement from Tea Party activist Bill Montgomery. Later that year, Kirk met Republican donor Foster Friess, who helped finance the nascent political organizing group.


………..

The second one is interesting and gets into bigger names that fund movements.

When someone deposits money into a donor-advised fund, they immediately earn a charitable tax deduction; plus, they can transfer appreciable assets such as stock into the account without having to pay the capital gains tax that would normally accompany the sale of one’s earnings. For a fee, financial professionals reinvest the money to make it grow. Whenever clients feel like it—as in, many years later, if ever—they can “advise” the fund manager on how much and to which organizations their donations should go. The fund manager almost always obliges.

But here’s the catch: When someone puts money or assets into a donor-advised fund, it’s no longer their money. They get the charitable tax deduction, since they’re actually donating to the donor-advised fund sponsor, a 501(c)(3) charity that then legally owns the money and has full discretion over where it goes. That also allows the donors to remain anonymous, both to the public and even to the IRS. So if someone wanted to fund, say, a white nationalist hate group but didn’t want the media or the government to catch wind of it, they’d use a donor-advised fund.



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The last piece echoes what I shared earlier. It may not be available to some and I’m pasting the parts that apply to our discourse as a courtesy. :)

Charlie Kirk was only a teenager when he launched a scrappy conservative student group out of his parents’ suburban Illinois home. A decade later, that group—Turning Point USA—has grown into a political juggernaut, generating nearly a half-billion in total revenue in the 13 years since its inception, creating a sprawling network of campus chapters, and building a media machine that rivals legacy establishments.

Turning Point USA netted $85 million in revenue in 2024 alone, up more than 142% over the last five years. The vast majority, 99.2%, of that revenue comes from charitable contributions, including at least $350,000 from Kirk himself in 2024.

How exactly Turning Point spends its money, and who benefits from the organization’s hefty annual revenue, is unclear. Like many political advocacy groups, it’s organized as a 501(c)3 non-profit; the IRS does not require such groups to publicly disclose detailed expenditure accounts. The lack of clarity is compounded by the fact that many of Turning Point’s largest vendors are limited liability companies registered in states that do not mandate public ownership disclosure.

Within Turning Point’s organizational structure, there are also several interconnected nonprofit groups, political action committees, and a for-profit merchandise company, none of which are required to publicly report their finances. One branch, the Turning Point Endowment, held $64.3 million in 2024, having grown from $7.2 million in 2020.

$10,000 and a dream

Kirk often described his political awakening as Barack Obama’s presidency. As he told his podcast listeners last year, “In my local high school, progressive, left-wing Marxist ideas were widespread, and I looked around and I was unimpressed by the conservative organizations that were out there.”

His first taste of political involvement, aside from classroom debates, came in 2010 when he began volunteering for the campaign of Illinois Senator Mark Kirk (no relation) while still in high school.

The trajectory of Kirk’s life, and his future business endeavors, changed dramatically after he met William “Bill” Montgomery, a retired Tea Party activist and marketing entrepreneur.

Montgomery encouraged Kirk to drop out of college entirely, and within one month of their meeting, they launched Turning Point.

Montgomery provided Kirk with the Republican rolodex and access to investors he would need to build his empire. The first person to cut a check to Turning Point was investment manager turned Republican donor Foster Friess, whom Kirk met at the 2012 Republican National Convention.

“I was 18 at the time and Turning Point USA had zero donors, no real presence, and I was just a kid from Chicago with a dream & energy to try and change the world,” Kirk later wrote about meeting and pitching Friess. His proposal, according to Kirk, was simple: “I felt young people needed to hear the conservative message.”

A few weeks later, Friess sent Turning Point $10,000, an investment Kirk would turn into many millions of dollars.

*I forgot the link.


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The speaker at the event said the money came from the same person and the checks were given in person.

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You're misrepresenting what Kirk was about. Just because he was friends with Trump, doesn't
mean Kirk abandoned his faith or values. He in fact spoke of his faith in Jesus Christ, and
spoke of his beliefs against abortion, his support for marriage and family values. He lived his faith.
He was killed for these beliefs.

He’s entitled to his opinion as are you. At the end of the day no one discussing the topic knew him personally. You can’t honestly say who he was or not. You can only share what you believe. Much like others have done.

~bella
 
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It has been gaining steam. It is said to start with Bill Bright (Campus Crusade for Christ) and Loren Cunningham (Youth with a Mission). Some attribute it to a prophetic word from both of them. Francis Schaeffer (L' Abri, a great author too) is on record as having knowledge of this.

I thought it was mentioned in the Netflix series The Family or something like it. Ai chimed in and I wasn’t off base. There were definite similarities. I’ll share what it said in case you’re interested.

The Netflix documentary series The Family explores a secretive conservative Christian organization, also known as the Fellowship Foundation, which aims to discreetly wield influence in American and global politics. While the documentary does not focus on the "Seven Mountains Mandate," the philosophy and actions of the Fellowship are related to the larger Christian dominionist movement, of which the mandate is a component.

What the Netflix series The Family covers
  • A secretive organization: The 2019 five-part miniseries investigates the inner workings of the Fellowship Foundation, a group that uses its influence to promote its conservative Christian agenda.
  • The National Prayer Breakfast: The documentary examines how the group uses events like the annual National Prayer Breakfast to connect with and recruit powerful figures, including members of Congress and other world leaders.
  • The Fellowship's goals: The series portrays the organization as seeking power and influence "in the name of Jesus," with a mission that its members refer to as "God-led government".
  • Source material: The series is based on the books The Family and C Street by journalist Jeff Sharlet, who also served as an executive producer.
The connection between The Family and the Seven Mountains Mandate

Though the documentary does not explicitly feature the Seven Mountains Mandate, the philosophies are comparable because both:
  • Are a part of a larger Christian dominionist movement that emphasizes gaining power and influence in society.
  • Target influential people and institutions to achieve their goals.
  • Seek to shape government and culture according to their own religious and political beliefs.
The Seven Mountain Mandate and The Family
  • Dominionist goal: The Seven Mountain Mandate is a dominionist idea within the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) that seeks to "take dominion" over seven societal "mountains" to instill Christian values in every aspect of culture.
  • The Family's shared ideology: While not identical, the Family's goal of placing its members in positions of power and influence aligns with the mandate's aim of penetrating the highest levels of government and other social pillars.
  • Influential figures: Both the Family and the NAR have prominent figures who promote dominionist goals. For example, televangelist Lance Wallnau is a proponent of the Seven Mountain Mandate and was a speaker at the conservative Values Voter Summit.
  • Missing context: According to critics, the Netflix series, while based on the books of journalist Jeff Sharlet, does not fully detail the Seven Mountain Mandate. This lack of specific detail on the mandate's tenets can make it harder for viewers to fully grasp the broader context of Christian nationalism.
In short, while the Netflix series is about a specific organization called "The Family," the documentary explores themes related to the same broader movement as the Seven Mountains Mandate.

~bella
 
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"The Family" on Netflix is a 2019 American documentary miniseries, not a single true story, that explores the secretive and influential conservative Christian group known as "The Family" or "the Fellowship". The series, based on author Jeff Sharlet's work, investigates the group's history, its significant influence on American politics, and its global ambitions through its use of events like the National Prayer Breakfast and private residences like C Street to build power and network with world leaders.



It is based on Jeff Sharlet's books, "The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power" and "C Street: The Tax-Exempt Church at the Heart of the Christian Right".
 
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In August 2019, Netflix released a five-part, original documentary series titled The Family which features Coe as the central figure of what it describes as "an enigmatic conservative Christian group ... [that] wields enormous influence in Washington, D.C."[22]He is portrayed by James Cromwell.[23] The series is based on the 2008 book The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power by Jeff Sharlet.

In 1978, Coe was portrayed by Ned Wilson in the film, Born Again, concerning his work in converting Charles Colson to Christianity and supporting him through his incarceration following Watergate.

 
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I thought it was mentioned in the Netflix series The Family or something like it. Ai chimed in and I wasn’t off base. There were definite similarities. I’ll share what it said in case you’re interested.

The Netflix documentary series The Family explores a secretive conservative Christian organization, also known as the Fellowship Foundation, which aims to discreetly wield influence in American and global politics. While the documentary does not focus on the "Seven Mountains Mandate," the philosophy and actions of the Fellowship are related to the larger Christian dominionist movement, of which the mandate is a component.

What the Netflix series The Family covers
  • A secretive organization: The 2019 five-part miniseries investigates the inner workings of the Fellowship Foundation, a group that uses its influence to promote its conservative Christian agenda.
  • The National Prayer Breakfast: The documentary examines how the group uses events like the annual National Prayer Breakfast to connect with and recruit powerful figures, including members of Congress and other world leaders.
  • The Fellowship's goals: The series portrays the organization as seeking power and influence "in the name of Jesus," with a mission that its members refer to as "God-led government".
  • Source material: The series is based on the books The Family and C Street by journalist Jeff Sharlet, who also served as an executive producer.
The connection between The Family and the Seven Mountains Mandate

Though the documentary does not explicitly feature the Seven Mountains Mandate, the philosophies are comparable because both:
  • Are a part of a larger Christian dominionist movement that emphasizes gaining power and influence in society.
  • Target influential people and institutions to achieve their goals.
  • Seek to shape government and culture according to their own religious and political beliefs.
The Seven Mountain Mandate and The Family
  • Dominionist goal: The Seven Mountain Mandate is a dominionist idea within the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) that seeks to "take dominion" over seven societal "mountains" to instill Christian values in every aspect of culture.
  • The Family's shared ideology: While not identical, the Family's goal of placing its members in positions of power and influence aligns with the mandate's aim of penetrating the highest levels of government and other social pillars.
  • Influential figures: Both the Family and the NAR have prominent figures who promote dominionist goals. For example, televangelist Lance Wallnau is a proponent of the Seven Mountain Mandate and was a speaker at the conservative Values Voter Summit.
  • Missing context: According to critics, the Netflix series, while based on the books of journalist Jeff Sharlet, does not fully detail the Seven Mountain Mandate. This lack of specific detail on the mandate's tenets can make it harder for viewers to fully grasp the broader context of Christian nationalism.
In short, while the Netflix series is about a specific organization called "The Family," the documentary explores themes related to the same broader movement as the Seven Mountains Mandate.

~bella
Thanks, I had not heard of that group or netflix series. I sure hope their brand of Christianity is biblical.
 
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He’s entitled to his opinion as are you. At the end of the day no one discussing the topic knew him personally. You can’t honestly say who he was or not. You can only share what you believe. Much like others have done.

~bella
Kirk had Christian values and preached them which he was killed for. That makes him a martyr.
He had political beliefs which the left hate and that too he was killed for.

So, he was both a martyr and political activist.
 
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If anyone wants to see some personal communication between Charlie Kirk and a friend this public blog posts some of their texts. It showed me that Charlie Kirk was serious about God. Before his death I had never even heard of him. Like most of us I think he was finding his way, but he had alot going for himself in God. The Inspiring Charlie Kirk: My Friendship with a Great Man - by Bill Federer

I have a thought of justice in heaven that suggests everyone's rewards in heaven are not based on just what we do in this life, but if a believers life is cut short, then God's foreknowledge might reward us on what we would have done had we completed the race fully. Otherwise, how would a baby or even the unborn share in any rewards? But no worries, God is entirely just however he does it. He is longsuffering and merciful.
 
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You're misrepresenting what Kirk was about. Just because he was friends with Trump, doesn't
mean Kirk abandoned his faith or values. He in fact spoke of his faith in Jesus Christ, and
spoke of his beliefs against abortion, his support for marriage and family values. He lived his faith.
He was killed for these beliefs.

Political sponsors and coercive donors are an important consideration and especially when the baggage they come with is evident in the life of the one they support. Kirk repeated lies about COVID and the stolen election, for example, which gained him favor with Trump. Candace Owens has said some really nasty and unfounded things about Macron's wife, which may serve a political agenda but do not serve a Christian one.

Kirk was a Christian, and yes, he lived and died for it. He died because someone disagreed with the Christian convictions he expressed about LGBTQ/Trans matters. That is the grounds for him being considered a martyr and is despite the dross that he has acquired by association.
 
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I saw a documentary on Kirk where one of his donors was speaking in it and described giving Charlie money to get him stated. He did not ask for it. It was offered to continue his work.

I just read this:



Turning Point Failed in the UK. Charlie Kirk Didn’t.​

The late conservative activist has amassed a surprising following across the Atlantic.

I realise that politics and activism in the USA is all about money, and however if there were no strings to the donations, then you can take the organisation's efforts at face value. Overall, Turning Point USA is a good influence in my view.

The article about the UK was interesting. The organisation Turning Point UK did not connect with students in UK Universities, but Kirk did on trans issues, especially. Right-wing politics in the UK has been a toxic mix of outdated toffs and extreme yobs for too long now, and Kirk's approach offered a third way that was actually working.
 
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It has been gaining steam. It is said to start with Bill Bright (Campus Crusade for Christ) and Loren Cunningham (Youth with a Mission). Some attribute it to a prophetic word from both of them. Francis Schaeffer (L' Abri, a great author too) is on record as having knowledge of this. All of them in the early 1970s if I recall) no one really heard about it though till probably the 2000s or so. Then it kind of morphed into something more extreme to an extent with a subset of charismatics that have a dominionist theology of the end times and the prosperity gospel. It crossed over enough to mainstream evangelical thought as even the Southern Baptist Convention about 6 years ago preached and prayed for some of the same things. Now it is getting put to the test, as there are serious changes that some espouse and the culture conflict is now even more front and center. I have myself read some of the early books promoting the seven mountain mandate. I like the idea of Christian influence but I think it has its limits until you get people saved and on board with it. This review of an upcoming book that even outlines the role of Kirk, I think is worth reading as it gives a more broad historical picture of Christian influence in politics even though it is decidely against some of the things that Trump is trying to do. Though I am not 7th Day Adventist, this article is from one of their publications. God bless you too! The Seven Mountains Mandate: Christian Dominionism's Playbook - Spectrum Magazine
The names you mentioned at the start of your post are solid people who have been a positive influence on my own faith, especially Francis Schaeffer.

Dominionism is false theology, but it is also naive when only a minority supports its goals. You cannot force people to behave like Christians in a democracy. Is the goal a movement from freedom of religion to theocratic rule? Is that goal even achievable in the USA? If not, then the backlash could be horrendous, and a less power-hungry approach is preferable.

From what I saw of Kirk, he seemed less like a Dominionist than someone genuinely engaged in the task of winning hearts and minds.

I think we broadly agree that Christian influence is desirable. As you say, people need to be on board with that for it to actually work.
 
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He was both a martyr and an activist. He always spread Christianity but also explained his faith basically informed his politics. The out of context quotes, etc. flying about have no effect on the majority and it’s not an excuse as if he deserved what happened to him.

Agreed, but some of that political activism taints his witness, like supporting the 'Stolen election' lie and his views on COVID and Global Warming.
 
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Here’s a few pieces on funding I stumbled upon. The organization keeps their donor list private but a few were mentioned in the article.

Kirk launched Turning Point USA (TPUSA) in 2012 rather than attend college after the 18-year-old received encouragement from Tea Party activist Bill Montgomery. Later that year, Kirk met Republican donor Foster Friess, who helped finance the nascent political organizing group.


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The second one is interesting and gets into bigger names that fund movements.

When someone deposits money into a donor-advised fund, they immediately earn a charitable tax deduction; plus, they can transfer appreciable assets such as stock into the account without having to pay the capital gains tax that would normally accompany the sale of one’s earnings. For a fee, financial professionals reinvest the money to make it grow. Whenever clients feel like it—as in, many years later, if ever—they can “advise” the fund manager on how much and to which organizations their donations should go. The fund manager almost always obliges.

But here’s the catch: When someone puts money or assets into a donor-advised fund, it’s no longer their money. They get the charitable tax deduction, since they’re actually donating to the donor-advised fund sponsor, a 501(c)(3) charity that then legally owns the money and has full discretion over where it goes. That also allows the donors to remain anonymous, both to the public and even to the IRS. So if someone wanted to fund, say, a white nationalist hate group but didn’t want the media or the government to catch wind of it, they’d use a donor-advised fund.



……….

The last piece echoes what I shared earlier. It may not be available to some and I’m pasting the parts that apply to our discourse as a courtesy. :)

Charlie Kirk was only a teenager when he launched a scrappy conservative student group out of his parents’ suburban Illinois home. A decade later, that group—Turning Point USA—has grown into a political juggernaut, generating nearly a half-billion in total revenue in the 13 years since its inception, creating a sprawling network of campus chapters, and building a media machine that rivals legacy establishments.

Turning Point USA netted $85 million in revenue in 2024 alone, up more than 142% over the last five years. The vast majority, 99.2%, of that revenue comes from charitable contributions, including at least $350,000 from Kirk himself in 2024.

How exactly Turning Point spends its money, and who benefits from the organization’s hefty annual revenue, is unclear. Like many political advocacy groups, it’s organized as a 501(c)3 non-profit; the IRS does not require such groups to publicly disclose detailed expenditure accounts. The lack of clarity is compounded by the fact that many of Turning Point’s largest vendors are limited liability companies registered in states that do not mandate public ownership disclosure.

Within Turning Point’s organizational structure, there are also several interconnected nonprofit groups, political action committees, and a for-profit merchandise company, none of which are required to publicly report their finances. One branch, the Turning Point Endowment, held $64.3 million in 2024, having grown from $7.2 million in 2020.

$10,000 and a dream

Kirk often described his political awakening as Barack Obama’s presidency. As he told his podcast listeners last year, “In my local high school, progressive, left-wing Marxist ideas were widespread, and I looked around and I was unimpressed by the conservative organizations that were out there.”

His first taste of political involvement, aside from classroom debates, came in 2010 when he began volunteering for the campaign of Illinois Senator Mark Kirk (no relation) while still in high school.

The trajectory of Kirk’s life, and his future business endeavors, changed dramatically after he met William “Bill” Montgomery, a retired Tea Party activist and marketing entrepreneur.

Montgomery encouraged Kirk to drop out of college entirely, and within one month of their meeting, they launched Turning Point.

Montgomery provided Kirk with the Republican rolodex and access to investors he would need to build his empire. The first person to cut a check to Turning Point was investment manager turned Republican donor Foster Friess, whom Kirk met at the 2012 Republican National Convention.

“I was 18 at the time and Turning Point USA had zero donors, no real presence, and I was just a kid from Chicago with a dream & energy to try and change the world,” Kirk later wrote about meeting and pitching Friess. His proposal, according to Kirk, was simple: “I felt young people needed to hear the conservative message.”

A few weeks later, Friess sent Turning Point $10,000, an investment Kirk would turn into many millions of dollars.

*I forgot the link.


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The speaker at the event said the money came from the same person and the checks were given in person.

~bella

If Donors are demonstrably warping agendas, then bad. If what Kirk was out there doing was broadly positive and magnified God's Kingdom, then the effect of the givers can be determined by the fruit of what they supported. I see more positive than negative fruit in Turning Point USA and Kirk's overall witness.
 
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I thought it was mentioned in the Netflix series The Family or something like it. Ai chimed in and I wasn’t off base. There were definite similarities. I’ll share what it said in case you’re interested.

The Netflix documentary series The Family explores a secretive conservative Christian organization, also known as the Fellowship Foundation, which aims to discreetly wield influence in American and global politics. While the documentary does not focus on the "Seven Mountains Mandate," the philosophy and actions of the Fellowship are related to the larger Christian dominionist movement, of which the mandate is a component.

What the Netflix series The Family covers
  • A secretive organization: The 2019 five-part miniseries investigates the inner workings of the Fellowship Foundation, a group that uses its influence to promote its conservative Christian agenda.
  • The National Prayer Breakfast: The documentary examines how the group uses events like the annual National Prayer Breakfast to connect with and recruit powerful figures, including members of Congress and other world leaders.
  • The Fellowship's goals: The series portrays the organization as seeking power and influence "in the name of Jesus," with a mission that its members refer to as "God-led government".
  • Source material: The series is based on the books The Family and C Street by journalist Jeff Sharlet, who also served as an executive producer.
The connection between The Family and the Seven Mountains Mandate

Though the documentary does not explicitly feature the Seven Mountains Mandate, the philosophies are comparable because both:
  • Are a part of a larger Christian dominionist movement that emphasizes gaining power and influence in society.
  • Target influential people and institutions to achieve their goals.
  • Seek to shape government and culture according to their own religious and political beliefs.
The Seven Mountain Mandate and The Family
  • Dominionist goal: The Seven Mountain Mandate is a dominionist idea within the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) that seeks to "take dominion" over seven societal "mountains" to instill Christian values in every aspect of culture.
  • The Family's shared ideology: While not identical, the Family's goal of placing its members in positions of power and influence aligns with the mandate's aim of penetrating the highest levels of government and other social pillars.
  • Influential figures: Both the Family and the NAR have prominent figures who promote dominionist goals. For example, televangelist Lance Wallnau is a proponent of the Seven Mountain Mandate and was a speaker at the conservative Values Voter Summit.
  • Missing context: According to critics, the Netflix series, while based on the books of journalist Jeff Sharlet, does not fully detail the Seven Mountain Mandate. This lack of specific detail on the mandate's tenets can make it harder for viewers to fully grasp the broader context of Christian nationalism.
In short, while the Netflix series is about a specific organization called "The Family," the documentary explores themes related to the same broader movement as the Seven Mountains Mandate.

~bella
A secret organization looking out for and promoting the church would be nice, though God always seems to find a way to do this in the long run anyway. Dominionism is false theology and may also be a bad fit for the USA. It is the Messiah that sends all the bad guys to hell in the end, not well-meaning vigilante groups that lack his direct mandate.

The dark side has its own shadowy influencers and puppet masters, and these are the ones we should be hunting after.
 
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Kirk had Christian values and preached them which he was killed for. That makes him a martyr.
He had political beliefs which the left hate and that too he was killed for.

So, he was both a martyr and political activist.

Agreed, but some of his political activism contradicts his status as a martyr e.g., the Stolen Election lie and repeated lies about COVID and Global Warming.
 
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