Does "equality" even matter to Jesus?

[Godcrazy]

Fair wages yes... But equal living no. I believe scripture supports that notion.
To put it another way.
Children in school, have differing abilities. Then there are those with disabilities that need special help. But there are those within normal ability ranges, which differ due to behaviour. Someone capable of getting a's gets d". They don't study, they drink, smoke pot dont do himework. Then those that study, do their homework, don;t drink, or smoke pot. Their education is important to them, they work for that grade. Are you going to take the A from the one, to give credit the D so they equal out?
So far they just made it so they are all equal in low standards for learning in school. Equalling them out in what they don't learn.

We do not do that. If someone does not want to go to school they are left to their own in school they do get picked up to school anyway. Then they are sent to specialist class where they usually can choose to learn or not they do get support, or they are made to re do school or go to a more practical learning school learn a trade or something. As well as those who do their home work do get the grades they deserve but those who does not do not. It is more the treatment not be treated badly.

 

[Godcrazy]

Fair wages yes... But equal living no. I believe scripture supports that notion.
To put it another way.
Children in school, have differing abilities. Then there are those with disabilities that need special help. But there are those within normal ability ranges, which differ due to behaviour. Someone capable of getting a's gets d". They don't study, they drink, smoke pot dont do himework. Then those that study, do their homework, don;t drink, or smoke pot. Their education is important to them, they work for that grade. Are you going to take the A from the one, to give credit the D so they equal out?
So far they just made it so they are all equal in low standards for learning in school. Equalling them out in what they don't learn.

There is also a acknowledgement that some students need more years or time to learn something as brains develop differently different talents, usually they try to find something they like and are good with

 

[ralliann]

Fair wages yes... But equal living no. I believe scripture supports that notion.
To put it another way.
Children in school, have differing abilities. Then there are those with disabilities that need special help. But there are those within normal ability ranges, which differ due to behaviour. Someone capable of getting a's gets d". They don't study, they drink, smoke pot dont do himework. Then those that study, do their homework, don;t drink, or smoke pot. Their education is important to them, they work for that grade. Are you going to take the A from the one, to give credit the D so they equal out?

There is also a acknowledgement that some students need more years or time to learn something as brains develop differently different talents, usually they try to find something they like and are good with

Yes I did address those that need special help. in whatever capacity that exists.

 

[ralliann]

We do not do that. If someone does not want to go to school they are left to their own in school they do get picked up to school anyway. Then they are sent to specialist class where they usually can choose to learn or not they do get support, or they are made to re do school or go to a more practical learning school learn a trade or something. As well as those who do their home work do get the grades they deserve but those who does not do not. It is more the treatment not be treated badly.

The dumbing down of standards has happened here in this ideal for equality. Which is a deceptive term. It really is equity. taking the out the abilty for differing outcomes.

 

[Godcrazy]

The dumbing down of standards has happened here in this ideal for equality. Which is a deceptive term. It really is equity. taking the out the abilty for differing outcomes.

If they do that then yes

 

[ralliann]

If they do that then yes

I think it the same for income though. It is equity. People who are Able, driven, hard working to make a better living. If the abilty to have that living, is taken away, why work your tail off to do it? Scripture speaks of rewards, along with fairness, and then charity. The other is just equity.
I don't speak of these things because I have wealth, I do not. Never have had it. I get by...I am fine with that. If it were less though I would not.

 

[timothyu]

It is equity.

It till all belongs to God though. He watches how we use it in accordance with His commandments.

 

[Godcrazy]

I think it the same for income though. It is equity. People who are Able, driven, hard working to make a better living. If the abilty to have that living, is taken away, why work your tail off to do it? Scripture speaks of rewards, along with fairness, and then charity. The other is just equity.
I don't speak of these things because I have wealth, I do not. Never have had it. I get by...I am fine with that. If it were less though I would not.

well in scandinavia we distribute in a fair share you do not see poverty like other countries neither do you see anyone that have little or a lot, and you are not allowed to flaunt it should you have. High taxes pay for the most and a lot low price and free. Same for housing very high standard and everyone basically live the same give or take, goes to material stuff as well. It`s what we call "equality". It is a typical nordic thing. Personally I have never been materialistic and content with comfortable.

 

[timothyu]

It is a typical nordic thing.

And makes it less tempting to adapt Christianity to fit capitalism

 

[Meowzltov]

God decides who he will bless. Envy, and covetousness of what he entrusts to another is a problem with the we here.

I suppose you have just as much right to your belief as anyone else to theirs.

My view on this, however, is shaped by the Bible. Specifically, the Torah commands in so many way that society is obligated to care for the poor. It's actually pretty radical--God calls for periodic redistribution of wealth.

However, the same concept of obligatory care for the poor is present in Jesus' teachings (Sheep and the Goats, Lazarus and the Rich man). That really shouldn't come as a surprise given that Jesus was a Jew.

 

[bèlla]

Specifically, the Torah commands in so many way that society is obligated to care for the poor. It's actually pretty radical--God calls for periodic redistribution of wealth.

Can you cite your sources please? Caring for the poor isn’t the same as redistributing wealth. They’re different concepts entirely. Which contradicts what He said elsewhere about the poor always being with us.

~bella

 

[ralliann]

I suppose you have just as much right to your belief as anyone else to theirs.

My view on this, however, is shaped by the Bible. Specifically, the Torah commands in so many way that society is obligated to care for the poor. It's actually pretty radical--God calls for periodic redistribution of wealth.

However, the same concept of obligatory care for the poor is present in Jesus' teachings (Sheep and the Goats, Lazarus and the Rich man). That really shouldn't come as a surprise given that Jesus was a Jew.

And? jews are Capitalists.

 

[ViaCrucis]

And? jews are Capitalists.

Ummm. I'm confident that you didn't mean it to be antisemitic, but that statement is like, textbook antisemitism.

Economic antisemitism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

-CryptoLutheran

 

[bèlla]

And? jews are Capitalists.

Wealth is handled differently in judaism. The arguments you see in christianity concerning plenty don’t exist. They don’t downplay their success or talk around it. Giving is encouraged and there‘s always a box in the synagogue or drive for the needy during high holy days. But you’re not expected to give your resources away to level the playing field.

~bella

 

[ralliann]

Wealth is handled differently in judaism. The arguments you see in christianity concerning plenty don’t exist. They don’t downplay their success or talk around it. Giving is encouraged and there‘s always a box in the synagogue or drive for the needy during high holy days. But you’re not expected to give your resources away to level the playing field.

~bella

But they are Capitalist non the less.

 

[Dan1988]

I am curious to hear you guys' thoughts on the issue of "equality", and whether it even matters to Jesus. I've heard many on the political left argue that it does, though I've heard many others (usually on the political right!) say it doesn't matter, that it's all just "woke" and "Marxism"; and that the only justice important to Christians is that we'll see when Jesus returns.

What do you guys think? I'd encourage everyone to check out this 4-minute video before you reply, as I think it sets good context for some of the dilemma I'm trying to get at with my question. And then let me know what you think, thanks:

The video begins by claiming that Jesus taught, in Matthew 23 that we are all brothers. But Matthew 23 doesn't teach that at all, Jesus actually exposed the Scribes and Pharisees as not being brothers. He warns the brethren about their hypocrisy, and confirms that they are the sons of hell.

So the video misinterpreted Matthew 23, the chapter confirms that we are not all equal. Some are the Devils children (sons of hell) and others are Gods children.

We're only equal, in the sense that we're all born with a fallen sin nature. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

The video then mentions the rich young ruler in Luke 18:22 and seems to suggest that Jesus would have all rich people sell what they have and give to the poor, if they want to enter heaven. But that's not what Jesus was teaching here, He said that because the young man claimed to have kept all the commandments and that's when Jesus told him the bad news (to sell all he has and give it to the poor).

Jesus doesn't expect all rich people to sell what they have and give it to the poor, the only reason He said it to the young man was because the young mans riches were keeping him from serving the Lord. But this doesn't apply to the rich Christians, who are not serving the god of Mammon.

God never created anyone to be equal in anything other that our sin nature. Jesus promised that we will always have the poor with us, it's just the way it is, some are born into rich families and others are born into poor families. That's the way God preordained it to be.

The reality is that there is no equality in anything, some are born sick and others healthy, some are born strong and other weak, some are born highly intelligent and others are born with intellectual disabilities, some are academically gifted, others are athletically gifted. Everyone has different gifs and talents, so we're not all equal.

If we look at the Church, we see that nobody is equal there either, some are Shepherds, some are Sheep but everyone is at a different stage of their journey and everyone in the Church has different gifts. If everyone in the Church was equal, why does the Bible forbid women to speak in Church.

 

[Robban]

I am curious to hear you guys' thoughts on the issue of "equality", and whether it even matters to Jesus. I've heard many on the political left argue that it does, though I've heard many others (usually on the political right!) say it doesn't matter, that it's all just "woke" and "Marxism"; and that the only justice important to Christians is that we'll see when Jesus returns.

What do you guys think? I'd encourage everyone to check out this 4-minute video before you reply, as I think it sets good context for some of the dilemma I'm trying to get at with my question. And then let me know what you think, thanks:

" I want" v "I need" is the differemce, example, what bird builds a bigger nest than needed?

 

[timothyu]

sons of hell

Meaning sons of death, representing what leads us all to death since the Garden instead of representing the Kingdom which brings life.

 

[Godcrazy]

And makes it less tempting to adapt Christianity to fit capitalism

and yet scandi`s they are very keen to include everyone to have.

 

[RDKirk]

The Christian lifestyle described by Jesus only applies to Christians. Nowhere does scripture place into the mouth of Jesus or any apostle that the mission of the Church is to make pagans act like Christians.

We can show in scripture that within the Body of Christ, the status of persons should be very much as Marx paraphrased, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."

But achieving the equality of resources within the Body of Christ presumes, first, that the Holy Spirit abides within everyone and, second, that God will provide the Body of Christ with all the resources necessary to support the Body of Christ...we need only disburse them properly within the Body of Christ. I can give you the scripture on that.

If pagans observe the fruit of our provision and grace and attempt emulate it, we will find them unable--except by putting people to the point of the sword and allowing them to starve. That's because they lack the Holy Spirit and the Lord's promise of resources. And we find, historically that that has been true.