Which Groups Are More Likely To Believe That Violence Is Sometimes Necessary To Gain Political Aims?

[mark46]

This is a very detailed set of poll results. Note the sectioned where we see which groups are most likely to support violence to get their political aims.

Majorities would never accept violence as a political strategy. Who is shocked that liberals are much MORE likely to condone violence? Those who are "very liberal" are at about 25% as are 18-44 year old liberals. The more liberal, the more accepting of violence. I certainly would have expected the opposite, but then I just watched documentary for an hour that focused on Mandela.

What Americans really think about political violence | YouGov

Most Americans say political violence is never justified, but younger and more liberal Americans are more likely to say it can be.

today.yougov.com

 

[rambot]

Not surprised that when you are so much more often the victim of political violence that you would condone it to extract revenge.

 

[Yttrium]

How come nobody ever asks about us crazed centrists? We're just time bombs waiting to go off, and all the polls keep asking about liberals and conservatives.

Nobody takes us seriously. Man, sometimes I just wanna whap somebody offside the head with a wiffle bat.

 

[Perpetual Student]

How come nobody ever asks about us crazed centrists? We're just time bombs waiting to go off, and all the polls keep asking about liberals and conservatives.

Nobody takes us seriously. Man, sometimes I just wanna whap somebody offside the head with a wiffle bat.

What about a fish slap?

 

[Larniavc]

Note the sectioned where we see which groups are most likely to support violence to get their political aims.

Yeah but have you looked at the side that actually DOES the political violence?

That’s right; you knew the answer all along.

 

[Nithavela]

If you go through statistics long enough, you'll find a data point that will support your opinion.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

This is a very detailed set of poll results. Note the sectioned where we see which groups are most likely to support violence to get their political aims.

Majorities would never accept violence as a political strategy. Who is shocked that liberals are much MORE likely to condone violence? Those who are "very liberal" are at about 25% as are 18-44 year old liberals. The more liberal, the more accepting of violence. I certainly would have expected the opposite, but then I just watched documentary for an hour that focused on Mandela.

What Americans really think about political violence | YouGov

Most Americans say political violence is never justified, but younger and more liberal Americans are more likely to say it can be.

today.yougov.com

My thoughts are that for so many years liberals were able to get away with acts of violence and destruction with little to no consequences when things are not going their way. We have seen this multiple times such as the Seattle summer of love, BLM protests, anti-maga attacks of 2016, and even after the 2024 presidential election. Like a parent taking their child out for ice cream because the child threw a temper tantrum, the liberals have implicitly told these leftists that violence is not only acceptable, but encouraged as long as it advances their anti-Trump agenda.

@rambot so no, it is not because liberals are the victims of more violence, it is because liberals were able to get away with so much for so many years without consequences. Their actions were excused and justified because they hated Trump more than they loved their country or the rule of law.

 

[rambot]

My thoughts are that for so many years liberals were able to get away with acts of violence and destruction with little to no consequences when things are not going their way. We have seen this multiple times such as the Seattle summer of love, BLM protests, anti-maga attacks of 2016, and even after the 2024 presidential election. Like a parent taking their child out for ice cream because the child threw a temper tantrum, the liberals have implicitly told these leftists that violence is not only acceptable, but encouraged as long as it advances their anti-Trump agenda.

@rambot so no, it is not because liberals are the victims of more violence, it is because liberals were able to get away with so much for so many years without consequences. Their actions were excused and justified because they hated Trump more than they loved their country or the rule of law.

Soo many years hey? According to what exactly. You have some data to fill that in? You me think what, 4 protests over 20-30 years?

Keep in my mind I'm talking about data....not just "I remember protests"

As I pointed out in another thread right wingers are more likely to murder lefties. Them lefties proteat about some of those murders and you don't like that.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I get it. You are speechless. I assume it was a posting error, but I thought I would have a little fun.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Soo many years hey? According to what exactly. You have some data to fill that in? You me think what, 4 protests over 20-30 years?

Keep in my mind I'm talking about data....not just "I remember protests"

As I pointed out in another thread right wingers are more likely to murder lefties. Them lefties proteat about some of those murders and you don't like that.

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/list-of-violent-protests-since-vk9kItx.QDaTooV4x1CXeQ

 

[Fantine]

Hard for liberals to be violent when the conservatives own most of the guns. Hmm.

And another amazing statistic--in urban areas, only 19% of people own guns, far less than in rural areas.

Among those who live in rural areas, 46% say they are gun owners, compared with 28% of those who live in the suburbs and 19% in urban areas. There are also significant differences across parties, with Republican and Republican-leaning independents more than twice as likely as Democrats and those who lean Democratic to say they own a gun (44% vs. 20%).

The demographics of gun ownership

Understanding gun ownership in America is not as simple as knowing who does and does not own a gun. Some Americans who don’t personally own guns live with

www.pewresearch.org

It's hard to be violent when you don't possess (and don't want to possess) the means to be violent.

 

[rambot]

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/list-of-violent-protests-since-vk9kItx.QDaTooV4x1CXeQ

As I said...."you" guys shoot "us", then "we" protest.

 

[mark46]

And another amazing statistic--in urban areas, only 19% of people own guns, far less than in rural areas.

I'm not surprised at all. In rural areas, I would expect almost everyone to have a gun for hunting or for dealing with animals near their secluded homes. Obviously, these uses are much more relevant in rural areas.

 

[rambot]

If you go through statistics long enough, you'll find a data point that will support your opinion.

And yet political murders by wing, never ever seems to show anything but that the right is FAR more frequently killing the left.

Never seen a data point support the opposite of that.

 

[mark46]

And yet political murders by wing, never ever seems to show anything but that the right is FAR more frequently killing the left.

Never seen a data point support the opposite of that.

I strongly agree.

What troubles me most is that increasing numbers of young voters and liberal and very liberal voters are willing to accept violence as a political tool. The more liberal, the more accepting a voter is of political violence.

 

[mark46]

Yeah but have you looked at the side that actually DOES the political violence?

That’s right; you knew the answer all along.

I did. I also know that the primary reason for that is that right wing extremists are much more likely to have guns available to them.

CONDITION ONE
A deranged very liberal individual is outraged and egged on by left wing media. He goes out and sets fire to a Tesla or smashes windows, He might even attack folks with his car or a knife.

CONDITION TWO
A deranged very right-wing individual is outraged and egged on by right wing media. He reaches for his gun(s) and goes out looking for trouble. Or worse, he goes to a site that will help him with explosives or access to more lethal guns.

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However, it is not a good trend to see liberal and those very liberal to be much more willing to accept violence. This trend will simply lead to more and more violence.

 

[rambot]

I strongly agree.

What troubles me most is that increasing numbers of young voters and liberal and very liberal voters are willing to accept violence as a political tool. The more liberal, the more accepting a voter is of political violence.

I agree that it is a bit disconcerting.

But frankly, I am not totally of the opinion that the data represents things correctly.
For example, the chart called "

Most Americans across the political spectrum say political violence is never justified, but younger and more liberal Americans are more likely to disagree"​

Indicates that only 6% of Conservatives say violence can ever be justified. yet almost 20% of Conservatives are okay with the events of J6.

I posit that some Conservatives (MORE than liberals who do the same) have a tendency to take an ethical position, but are able to excuse or carve out some kind of "Exception" for violence from their own.

Liberals have a tendency to be more honest about their opinions.

 

[mark46]

How come nobody ever asks about us crazed centrists? We're just time bombs waiting to go off, and all the polls keep asking about liberals and conservatives.

Nobody takes us seriously. Man, sometimes I just wanna whap somebody offside the head with a wiffle bat.

as opposed to those who us automatic weapons of choice for those who commit the violence now

It would be great if all the deranged souls who do violence were restricted to wiffle bats in their attacks.

 

[mark46]

I agree that it is a bit disconcerting.

But frankly, I am not totally of the opinion that the data represents things correctly.
For example, the chart called "

Most Americans across the political spectrum say political violence is never justified, but younger and more liberal Americans are more likely to disagree"​

Indicates that only 6% of Conservatives say violence can ever be justified. yet almost 20% of Conservatives are okay with the events of J6.

I posit that some Conservatives (MORE than liberals who do the same) have a tendency to take an ethical position, but are able to excuse or carve out some kind of "Exception" for violence from their own.

Liberals have a tendency to be more honest about their opinions.

We all tend to carve out exceptions for our own. Liberals tending to be more honest (if true) doesn't account for the vast difference or for the increasing acceptance of violence, especially among the young.

The MIN Floyd demonstrations are a good example. Liberals will likely ignore most of the violence on their side, rather than accept that it happened. BTW, I am NOT in any way commenting on the events themselves.

 

[rambot]

We all tend to carve out exceptions for our own. Liberals tending to be more honest (if true) doesn't account for the vast difference or for the increasing acceptance of violence, especially among the young.

The MIN Floyd demonstrations are a good example. Liberals will likely ignore most of the violence on their side, rather than accept that it happened. BTW, I am NOT in any way commenting on the events themselves.

Oooo....BLM protests are really really REALLY tricky because it is indisputable that there were Far right provocateurs mixed within those protests. I am 100% not willing to lay ALL the blame of BLM violence on liberals.