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Can you imagine love in heaven?
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You can comprehend that?
Honestly, I have a hard time understanding what exactly you derive love from here. But I am open minded about it.
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Are you sure you are not deriving love from the idea of harmony being compared to disharmony? Seems like it's still suffering/pain contextual in this regard.
That the joy of finally being in harmony will fade as the comparisons of not being in harmony also fades?
That the joy of finally being in harmony will fade as the comparisons of not being in harmony also fades?
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Sure. It's about being more fully one's self without the damage done in this world. Let's say that you're God for a moment. You've created the universe, every natural process, and every molecule in it. Within that creation lives a man named Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. Wolfgang like to write music. In Heaven, he might continue writing music. However, there is injustice in this world. Others have lived who also share a similar love of writing music but maybe they died of the plague while still a child, were born into slavery, or suffered in some way that did not allow them to fulfill their potential. Perhaps they even turned to a life of crime for a while and beat up musicians before making amends with God. The destructive part of them will be gone. I don't think a loving creator is going to frustrate the creations that he designed for all eternity. At least not the ones that want to be with him.
This requires harmony with the creator, harmony with ourselves, and harmony with each other if we are to share a functional society. A society that supports most definitions of love, and perhaps some that we aren't aware of yet.
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The way I see it, the absence of suffering is a foundation on which most kinds of love can be built. Although I've experienced suffering that I wouldn't wish on anyone, it didn't make the time after feel better than before. It also didn't make me think the times before were idyllic. If anything, it just made me feel anxious.
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