Charlie Kirk shooting suspect Tyler Robinson could face firing squad

[rjs330]

Finland is not very russian, in any sense (culturally, no, politically, no, linguistically no, economically no). So in what sense is Finland very russian?

I don't know. It wasn't discussed.

Of course it is not a reason to kill him, I didn't say or imply that. However, it shows that Kirk says offensive things.

So? Lots of people say things that others take offense to. Not sure what point you are trying to make in response to his death. And the topic.

 

[rjs330]

Ok, We are all free to chose what we want to respond to. How about the question about affirmative action beneficiaries then?

What's that got to do with his assassination? Are you making some sort of claim here?

 

[rebornfree]

Russia have been waging hybrid warfare against all the countries around the Baltic sea, for the duration of the war in Ukraine. Actively targetting navigation systems daily, and destroying underwater cables (both power and communications) until surveillance was ramped up. So to say that the the one attacked is akin to the attacker is offensive to many people.

I didn't know about that until I heard about the incursion of Russian drones into Poland.

Because Putin is willing to invade other countries, I think he thought European nations would do the same to Russia. So he became neurotic about Nato troops along his Western border, whereas all we want is to live peacefully either side of the border. Of course I expect he wanted Ukraine back too.

I was part of an internet chat with someone from Eastern Europe. One day, instead of posting about the usual subject, she wrote that the Russians were bombing her city. It turned out that she was in Kyiv. When you hear of events like that first-hand it is so annoying to hear people blame both sides.

 

[Larniavc]

Society can change all that by not celebrating murder. Let's see if society really wants to change or not.

American society. America really is exceptional in its habit of killing each other.

 

[Larniavc]

Over here we're treated like we're adults.

A mistake it seems.

 

[7thKeeper]

A ten and a half minute video, and that's what you came up with to nitpick at?
It's pretty obvious when people are desperately looking to find fault with someone.

Oh no, please DO comment on that specific part. I await your thoughts on it with bated breathe.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

What's that got to do with his assassination? Are you making some sort of claim here?

No, I'm showing that it is easy to find examples of Kirk being offensive in contrast to what was said in this post.

Charlie Kirk shooting suspect Tyler Robinson could face firing squad

 

[Hazelelponi]

I remember it too. (I'm in my seventies). However, I've come to profoundly disagree with it.

I cry over things people say and do, I actually cry a lot actually - more than anyone realizes.

But the words hurt not because of the words themselves, but because of personal expectations or desires surrounding them.

To give an example I had desperately wanted to find others with my same religious beliefs online, waited 10 years to find them, but when I actually did I found they don't like me or particularly accept me / want me around them - I certainly cried, utterly heartbroken but it wasn't because the words themselves had any power.

A word doesn't spill my blood or do anything physically to me and taking my leave from where I'm not wanted isn't anything but a thing - life goes on.

The only pain there is, is in the pain of losing the hope, the hope of finding my brother's and sisters, the hope of having people to speak about my faith with who won't hate me the second I do, the hope of actually fitting in with people I share a faith with.

It was all stupidity as I'm absolutely and utterly alone, I feel like Elijah, wasn't it? when he lamented of being the last one and the people sought even his life.

People often seem to only love you if you give them fealty and agree with every thought, if you don't, they simply hate you.

But none of that actually matters at all. It's just personal expectations gone wrong. They were unrealistic, and it's the disappointment from unrealistic expectations that makes us cry and breaks our heart.

Wanting a faith peer group online that I can participate in? Unrealistic.

Finding brothers and sisters in the faith who might love me more than most other people - very stupid and unrealistic.

The second I open my mouth I will be rejected and hated by someone, or even by everyone, whether they share my faith or not I am just a hated thing by every one.

But that's okay because it's just words, and we can choose what we do with those words. If I cry it's because I allowed it to hurt me, and I don't have to allow it.

I can realize that my friends don't have to share my faith or even that maybe they do if they are even remotely willing to be friends with someone like myself, even if I can't talk to them about my faith and rejoice with them in my God.

We are all just alone, we live alone, even in a crowded room, and we will die just as alone and the only thing that even can hurt us in a word is what we allow it to do.

In the last three weeks I have lost a dear friend, remembered the anniversary of my daughter's birthday, remembered the anniversary of 9/11 and the anniversary of someone else's death and watched Charlie Kirk's assassination.

I have been absolutely crushed with grief on top of grief on top of more grief and have few friends in life. There was so much grief this year, packed into such a short space of time it's unreal.

But in life my positive is a husband who will hold me when I fall apart if I need him to, friends who, while they don't share my beliefs, do seem to like me when I'm not talking about them well enough.

That's more than most people have in life, so it's all good.

Sticks and stones will break my bones but words can never hurt me isn't about the emotional pain or unrealistic expectations that we allowed in, it's saying someone calling you names, asking you to shut up because they don't care what you think and they certainly won't suffer 5 seconds worth of actial dialogue with you - it's saying that word or those words aren't going to severe your carotid artery and have you bleed out in front of your babies so there's more important things to be concerned about.

People do that, not words.

And people like myself, if we ever don't want to feel alone, know we aren't really alone if we have Jesus. He just occasionally allows us to feel that way, and it's to us to learn and grow from it.

Jesus says we won't be loved by the world, apparently it seems to mean anything that has flesh will hate us. So okay, I will be the hated last one, and give them a reason to hate. I don't suppose to go be a hermit then is what Jesus wanted.

I bet there's a lot of hated last one's,, and words make us cry where you can't see, but we know the difference between them and a bullet ripping through our carotid artery, and words don't stop us anymore.

 

[rebornfree]

I cry over things people say and do, I actually cry a lot actually - more than anyone realizes.

But the words hurt not because of the words themselves, but because of personal expectations or desires surrounding them.

To give an example I had desperately wanted to find others with my same religious beliefs online, waited 10 years to find them, but when I actually did I found they don't like me or particularly accept me / want me around them - I certainly cried, utterly heartbroken but it wasn't because the words themselves had any power.

A word doesn't spill my blood or do anything physically to me and taking my leave from where I'm not wanted isn't anything but a thing - life goes on.

The only pain there is, is in the pain of losing the hope, the hope of finding my brother's and sisters, the hope of having people to speak about my faith with who won't hate me the second I do, the hope of actually fitting in with people I share a faith with.

It was all stupidity as I'm absolutely and utterly alone, I feel like Elijah, wasn't it? when he lamented of being the last one and the people sought even his life.

People often seem to only love you if you give them fealty and agree with every thought, if you don't, they simply hate you.

But none of that actually matters at all. It's just personal expectations gone wrong. They were unrealistic, and it's the disappointment from unrealistic expectations that makes us cry and breaks our heart.

Wanting a faith peer group online that I can participate in? Unrealistic.

Finding brothers and sisters in the faith who might love me more than most other people - very stupid and unrealistic.

The second I open my mouth I will be rejected and hated by someone, or even by everyone, whether they share my faith or not I am just a hated thing by every one.

But that's okay because it's just words, and we can choose what we do with those words. If I cry it's because I allowed it to hurt me, and I don't have to allow it.

I can realize that my friends don't have to share my faith or even that maybe they do if they are even remotely willing to be friends with someone like myself, even if I can't talk to them about my faith and rejoice with them in my God.

We are all just alone, we live alone, even in a crowded room, and we will die just as alone and the only thing that even can hurt us in a word is what we allow it to do.

In the last three weeks I have lost a dear friend, remembered the anniversary of my daughter's birthday, remembered the anniversary of 9/11 and the anniversary of someone else's death and watched Charlie Kirk's assassination.

I have been absolutely crushed with grief on top of grief on top of more grief and have few friends in life. There was so much grief this year, packed into such a short space of time it's unreal.

But in life my positive is a husband who will hold me when I fall apart if I need him to, friends who, while they don't share my beliefs, do seem to like me when I'm not talking about them well enough.

That's more than most people have in life, so it's all good.

Sticks and stones will break my bones but words can never hurt me isn't about the emotional pain or unrealistic expectations that we allowed in, it's saying someone calling you names, asking you to shut up because they don't care what you think and they certainly won't suffer 5 seconds worth of actial dialogue with you - it's saying that word or those words aren't going to severe your carotid artery and have you bleed out in front of your babies so there's more important things to be concerned about.

People do that, not words.

And people like myself, if we ever don't want to feel alone, know we aren't really alone if we have Jesus. He just occasionally allows us to feel that way, and it's to us to learn and grow from it.

Jesus says we won't be loved by the world, apparently it seems to mean anything that has flesh will hate us. So okay, I will be the hated last one, and give them a reason to hate. I don't suppose to go be a hermit then is what Jesus wanted.

I bet there's a lot of hated last one's,, and words make us cry where you can't see, but we know the difference between them and a bullet ripping through our carotid artery, and words don't stop us anymore.

I remember you saying elsewhere that you cry, Hazelelponi, and I felt sad for you. Certainly you have had a lot to deal with. It’s a shame that you don't feel loved by fellow Christians. Maybe you sense hate when it's not there. People may differ with your views without hating you.

I've had multiple griefs too, although for different reasons, but the Lord has helped me unpack them and led me to emotional healing. It's not complete yet and I have felt really hurt in the last few weeks due to crushed expectations. (Or maybe it's a minor hitch, I'm not sure.) I see what you mean about unrealistic expectations, but it's the words which deliver those blows. However I think it makes a difference whether or not the words were delivered kindly or harshly. If they can leave the person feeling valued and supported, even if events are not what they would like, that is better than tearing someone down.

It's that sort of thing I feel with public debate. As Christians we may believe that something is morally wrong. However if, instead of trampling over a person's feelings, we can empathise with their situation and gently lead them to the Lord, He will sort out their issues within the context of salvation and His loving presence. That will give them hope.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Maybe you sense hate when it's not there. People may differ with your views without hating you.

No, what I specifically referenced was something mostly out of public view over a period of months and I recently gave it one final chance and it started up again so I walked away. It was personal.

That was not here. There's not many here on this website in my denominations belief set.

It just leaves me fairly alone because I can fight with people about my faith and watch as they tell me how non Christian Calvinists are, but no sense of being able to just rejoice with others in Christ. Just fighting. No learning and growing.

It's that sort of thing I feel with public debate. As Christians we may believe that something is morally wrong. However if, instead of trampling over a person's feelings, we can empathise with their situation and gently lead them to the Lord, He will sort out their issues within the context of salvation and His loving presence. That will give them hope.

Here's what I see in public debate. You have to be adult enough at some point to have these conversations as they enter the public sphere and the people these policies affect.

The problem is the right has been trying to talk for decades and have been shunned and silenced at every turn.

You can't just make policy decisions that affect our lives and then tell us to sit down shut up and be more empathetic of others.

When are people going to tell the extreme minority in society that is likely mentally ill to sit down and shut up and stop trying to run roughshod over the rest of society and be more empathetic and loving towards us, their neighbors if nothing else.

For example - If you don't want to hear peoples thoughts on beginning to transition children under the age of 18 to another gender whether socially, surgically or chemically - either don't live in the United States or don't join in the public discussion on it because in the United States the safety of underage children IS a public policy issue.

We can do our best to sympathize and be gentle in our speech, but we cannot just shut up and sit down anymore. We must speak. And the more they kill us for speaking is the more we should speak because the safety of children is a public policy issue and you can't just ignore the public in such a case and pretend our views are somehow invalid.

We can go on and on down a list but the fact remains when it comes to public policy you can't just silence all of the public - or start killing them for speaking n public issues

I think Charlie Kirk actually did a fairly decent job representing his thoughts, everyone, at some point, will be the critic or be the one hyper offended so all we can do in the end is our very best, because silence is not an option.

There's only so many eggshells it's even possible to walk.

 

[Freth]

I cry over things people say and do, I actually cry a lot actually - more than anyone realizes.

But the words hurt not because of the words themselves, but because of personal expectations or desires surrounding them.

To give an example I had desperately wanted to find others with my same religious beliefs online, waited 10 years to find them, but when I actually did I found they don't like me or particularly accept me / want me around them - I certainly cried, utterly heartbroken but it wasn't because the words themselves had any power.

A word doesn't spill my blood or do anything physically to me and taking my leave from where I'm not wanted isn't anything but a thing - life goes on.

The only pain there is, is in the pain of losing the hope, the hope of finding my brother's and sisters, the hope of having people to speak about my faith with who won't hate me the second I do, the hope of actually fitting in with people I share a faith with.

It was all stupidity as I'm absolutely and utterly alone, I feel like Elijah, wasn't it? when he lamented of being the last one and the people sought even his life.

People often seem to only love you if you give them fealty and agree with every thought, if you don't, they simply hate you.

But none of that actually matters at all. It's just personal expectations gone wrong. They were unrealistic, and it's the disappointment from unrealistic expectations that makes us cry and breaks our heart.

Wanting a faith peer group online that I can participate in? Unrealistic.

Finding brothers and sisters in the faith who might love me more than most other people - very stupid and unrealistic.

The second I open my mouth I will be rejected and hated by someone, or even by everyone, whether they share my faith or not I am just a hated thing by every one.

But that's okay because it's just words, and we can choose what we do with those words. If I cry it's because I allowed it to hurt me, and I don't have to allow it.

I can realize that my friends don't have to share my faith or even that maybe they do if they are even remotely willing to be friends with someone like myself, even if I can't talk to them about my faith and rejoice with them in my God.

We are all just alone, we live alone, even in a crowded room, and we will die just as alone and the only thing that even can hurt us in a word is what we allow it to do.

In the last three weeks I have lost a dear friend, remembered the anniversary of my daughter's birthday, remembered the anniversary of 9/11 and the anniversary of someone else's death and watched Charlie Kirk's assassination.

I have been absolutely crushed with grief on top of grief on top of more grief and have few friends in life. There was so much grief this year, packed into such a short space of time it's unreal.

But in life my positive is a husband who will hold me when I fall apart if I need him to, friends who, while they don't share my beliefs, do seem to like me when I'm not talking about them well enough.

That's more than most people have in life, so it's all good.

Sticks and stones will break my bones but words can never hurt me isn't about the emotional pain or unrealistic expectations that we allowed in, it's saying someone calling you names, asking you to shut up because they don't care what you think and they certainly won't suffer 5 seconds worth of actial dialogue with you - it's saying that word or those words aren't going to severe your carotid artery and have you bleed out in front of your babies so there's more important things to be concerned about.

People do that, not words.

And people like myself, if we ever don't want to feel alone, know we aren't really alone if we have Jesus. He just occasionally allows us to feel that way, and it's to us to learn and grow from it.

Jesus says we won't be loved by the world, apparently it seems to mean anything that has flesh will hate us. So okay, I will be the hated last one, and give them a reason to hate. I don't suppose to go be a hermit then is what Jesus wanted.

I bet there's a lot of hated last one's,, and words make us cry where you can't see, but we know the difference between them and a bullet ripping through our carotid artery, and words don't stop us anymore.

It is heartbreaking to read of your experiences in Christian circles. I would hope that you would think of some of us as friends. I think you and I have shared pleasantries a few times on the forums, in the form of likes and responses. We may have even disagreed, but I think we have more in common in belief than not. I consider the people I interact with here as friends. That includes you, of course. We may have disagreements, but they are just disagreements.

The Charlie Kirk incident was heart-wrenching for me too. I had watched some of his debates over the years, but that was about it. Still it had a profound effect on me. And then to see how it impacted so many others the same way. We aren't alone in those feelings.

I grew up with kids saying "sticks and stones", and I'm sure I said it myself a few times. If someone bullies you, you take it to heart and it has lasting impact. If someone demeans you, it knocks you down a notch or two in your mind. If someone laughs at you, you can feel shame and inadequacy. Your environment shapes you, and so words do matter.

I do believe we're living in the time of the end. The things we are seeing in society, even in the church, are prophesied to happen. I don't think it will get so bad that the people of God will shun each other and choose to be alone. There is a place for us to belong.

 

[rebornfree]

No, what I specifically referenced was something mostly out of public view over a period of months and I recently gave it one final chance and it started up again so I walked away. It was personal.

That was not here. There's not many here on this website in my denominations belief set.

It just leaves me fairly alone because I can fight with people about my faith and watch as they tell me how non Christian Calvinists are, but no sense of being able to just rejoice with others in Christ. Just fighting. No learning and growing.



Here's what I see in public debate. You have to be adult enough at some point to have these conversations as they enter the public sphere and the people these policies affect.

The problem is the right has been trying to talk for decades and have been shunned and silenced at every turn.

You can't just make policy decisions that affect our lives and then tell us to sit down shut up and be more empathetic of others.

When are people going to tell the extreme minority in society that is likely mentally ill to sit down and shut up and stop trying to run roughshod over the rest of society and be more empathetic and loving towards us, their neighbors if nothing else.

For example - If you don't want to hear peoples thoughts on beginning to transition children under the age of 18 to another gender whether socially, surgically or chemically - either don't live in the United States or don't join in the public discussion on it because in the United States the safety of underage children IS a public policy issue.

We can do our best to sympathize and be gentle in our speech, but we cannot just shut up and sit down anymore. We must speak. And the more they kill us for speaking is the more we should speak because the safety of children is a public policy issue and you can't just ignore the public in such a case and pretend our views are somehow invalid.

We can go on and on down a list but the fact remains when it comes to public policy you can't just silence all of the public - or start killing them for speaking n public issues

I think Charlie Kirk actually did a fairly decent job representing his thoughts, everyone, at some point, will be the critic or be the one hyper offended so all we can do in the end is our very best, because silence is not an option.

There's only so many eggshells it's even possible to walk.

I believe we should speak out about dangerous issues in society. I live in a different country and I have written to my MP twice, urging him to vote against the Assisted Dying Bill, which I'm currently watching on television being debated in the Lord's.

I hope you can find fellowship soon.

 

[Hazelelponi]

It is heartbreaking to read of your experiences in Christian circles. I would hope that you would think of some of us as friends. I think you and I have shared pleasantries a few times on the forums, in the form of likes and responses. We may have even disagreed, but I think we have more in common in belief than not. I consider the people I interact with here as friends. That includes you, of course. We may have disagreements, but they are just disagreements.

I didn't communicate well I'm sorry. I do think of many here as friends and neighbors, but I stick to the political forums more because I feel more capable of navigating the environment. I know how people talk here and what they sound like and can generally tell nuances of sarcasm, snark and misdirection in political back and forth.

I can generally tell who my friends are and who they aren't as a result, but only within this space.

Maybe people talk more than it seems sometimes on the religious side but it's always looked like fighting, it's difficult to bring it to discussion/conversation feel. There's a few who do that VERY well like yourself and it's what I've always tried to mimic but I think it's clear I fail at it more often than not.

@Vambram and a few others are people I have always felt like I can speak with about anything, but he's more an exception than a rule. There's nuances in inter denominatonal Christian discussions I don't follow because I don't easily recognize them, and nuances of sarcasm as well.

Now that I have seen people more verifiably of my faith I learned how to word some things and other handy information so I'll probably try wading into faith discussion here more.

I have placed a couple people into my bucket of not willing to lose their friendship like @Vambram but I'm going to give it better try talking about faith and if I'm no good at it then I'm no good.

I really do suck at nuances that I'm unfamiliar with and or not expecting. Black and white is easy...

The Charlie Kirk incident was heart-wrenching for me too. I had watched some of his debates over the years, but that was about it. Still it had a profound effect on me. And then to see how it impacted so many others the same way. We aren't alone in those feelings.

I grew up with kids saying "sticks and stones", and I'm sure I said it myself a few times. If someone bullies you, you take it to heart and it has lasting impact. If someone demeans you, it knocks you down a notch or two in your mind. If someone laughs at you, you can feel shame and inadequacy. Your environment shapes you, and so words do matter.

I agree. I don't believe in bullying or being intentionally mean to people.

I do believe we're living in the time of the end. The things we are seeing in society, even in the church, are prophesied to happen. I don't think it will get so bad that the people of God will shun each other and choose to be alone. There is a place for us to belong.

It's weird because I'm amillennial in my eschatology and while I truly believe Jesus could certainly tarry another 2000 years, it feels like it will be much much sooner than that.

 

[rjs330]

Yeah, that’s racist. Two things. One, do you normally test your pilot’s competency yourself or do you trust the airline to make sure their pilots are up to FAA standards?

No its not. In order for Delta to DEI hire pilots at tge 50% rate they have to lower standards. So when you see a black or female pilot is a legitimate question as to if they were a DEI hire or not. Did the airlines have to lower their standard to hire that person? We'd wonder the same thing if the airlines said they were going to DEI hire white people. DEI requires that you not hire the most qualified people. Pointing that out is truth telling. Why are you offending by the truth?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

No its not. In order for Delta to DEI hire pilots at tge 50% rate they have to lower standards. So when you see a black or female pilot is a legitimate question as to if they were a DEI hire or not. Did the airlines have to lower their standard to hire that person? We'd wonder the same thing if the airlines said they were going to DEI hire white people. DEI requires that you not hire the most qualified people. Pointing that out is truth telling. Why are you offending by the truth?

Explain how hiring more black or female workers means having to lower standards and try not to sound like a racist or sexist.

Go on.

 

[rambot]

In the last three weeks I have lost a dear friend, remembered the anniversary of my daughter's birthday, remembered the anniversary of 9/11 and the anniversary of someone else's death and watched Charlie Kirk's assassination.

I have been absolutely crushed with grief on top of grief on top of more grief and have few friends in life. There was so much grief this year, packed into such a short space of time it's unreal.

Hazelelponi,

We disagree on a lot of stuff. But I am so sorry you are going through this tough spot. Loss upon loss upong remembrance makes for a challenging time. Im really glad you have a reliable partner who can be a comfort.
You will be in my prayers.

I also hope that you will find your "tribe" who will accept you.

 

[rambot]

No its not. In order for Delta to DEI hire pilots at tge 50% rate they have to lower standards.

Proof or close your mouth.

 

[Freth]

I didn't communicate well I'm sorry. I do think of many here as friends and neighbors, but I stick to the political forums more because I feel more capable of navigating the environment. I know how people talk here and what they sound like and can generally tell nuances of sarcasm, snark and misdirection in political back and forth.

I can generally tell who my friends are and who they aren't as a result, but only within this space.

Maybe people talk more than it seems sometimes on the religious side but it's always looked like fighting, it's difficult to bring it to discussion/conversation feel. There's a few who do that VERY well like yourself and it's what I've always tried to mimic but I think it's clear I fail at it more often than not.

@Vambram and a few others are people I have always felt like I can speak with about anything, but he's more an exception than a rule. There's nuances in inter denominatonal Christian discussions I don't follow because I don't easily recognize them, and nuances of sarcasm as well.

Now that I have seen people more verifiably of my faith I learned how to word some things and other handy information so I'll probably try wading into faith discussion here more.

I have placed a couple people into my bucket of not willing to lose their friendship like @Vambram but I'm going to give it better try talking about faith and if I'm no good at it then I'm no good.

I really do suck at nuances that I'm unfamiliar with and or not expecting. Black and white is easy...



I agree. I don't believe in bullying or being intentionally mean to people.



It's weird because I'm amillennial in my eschatology and while I truly believe Jesus could certainly tarry another 2000 years, it feels like it will be much much sooner than that.

Debate didn't come easily to me. It took me years to get to the point where I am, because I kept wanting to invest myself in a particular outcome with the conversation, or the desire to make someone agree and see my point of view. The truth is all we can really do is present our position and give the other person the chance to consider it. The Holy Spirit does the rest, and so I've learned to give Him room to do His work on the heart.

It may be tomorrow, or it may be 2000 years from now. All I know is I'm called to watch and be sober, because the end of all things is at hand (1 Thessalonians 5:6, 1 Peter 4:7). This indicates that the second coming is pending. Thankfully, He gives us plenty of things to look for, so that we can know. I hope He comes soon, but even if He doesn't come in my lifetime I'm going to live as if He will return any minute now.

 

[rjs330]

Charlie Kirk made a specific statement about their brain processing power, that it wasn't enough for them to be taken somewhat seriously. Even if they were beneficiaries of affirmative action, why wouldn't they have the brain processing power to be taken somewhat seriously?

When you hear that Brown can't define what a woman is, that is a legitimate concern about her brain power.

Joy Reid's brain power certainly can be questioned when she says the dumb stuff she said about the assassination attempt on Trump.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Explain how hiring more black or female workers means having to lower standards and try not to sound like a racist or sexist.

Go on.

Because people are saying you can't hire them according to their merit (e.g. simply because they are the current best candidate) they are saying they need to legally discriminate against white people during both the education and the job process in order to give blacks a chance at a job, otherwise they couldn't work in that or any other field.

If they were simply the best candidate then you wouldn't need anti-white initiatives - they would simply be pilots - no need for affirmative action or DEI hiring policies.

It's why the right keeps telling the left they sound racist, there's nothing wrong with merit unless you think black people are incapable of aquiring merit.

We don't want our children to learn that. Black people are just as capable of aquiring an education as anyone else and can become anything they put their minds to just like anyone else. To say otherwise is actually racist by definition.