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Interesting. I'd be interested to know, according to your above claim, exactly which doctrine of the SDA church you believe originated with Mrs. White. The vast majority of what SDA's believe, was already believed by millions before them throughout history. According to the teachings of holy scripture of course, and also other Protestants in particular, concerning subjects such as the seventh day sabbath, the state of the dead, Sunday sacredness, and biblical prophecy. The Adventists became Seventh Day Adventists via the testimony of a Seventh Day Baptist who introduced this truth to certain Adventists including Ellen White I do believe, who were instrumental in forming the denomination. The book the Great Controversy itself revealing much of this very history. Knowledge of which is much neglected today. Not only because humanities continuing tendency to forget very important lessons of the past which would keep us from making the same mistakes over and over as we do, but also as a matter of intention and design.

If I had the means, I would send a Great Controversy to every home in the nation. It is an excellent source of historical truth in relation to the authentic and verifiable histories of Christian peoples. Which includes prophetic insights we have and continue to see coming to fulfillment in this nation and world. People of course can take it or leave it as they wish. The conviction that people have at least a right to know the truth if they so desire, is what compels many of us to dispense as much truth as possible unto truth's intended end.

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Jhn 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

What could be more important to authentic Christianity, than a correct understanding of biblical teaching, and the history of Christ's own in this world? As all will be judged by the truth, as revealed by our Lord and Savior. While many differing claims exist as to just exactly what that truth and history really is. Nevertheless, the holy scriptures warn us -

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Psa 33:4 For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth. 5 He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD. 6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. 7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses. 8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. 9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
I will start with one example, which is probably one of the primary distinctives of SDA doctrine - THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT. As I understand it, it was revealed through Mrs. White as a means of understanding what actually occurred in 1844 or thereabouts with the failure of Jesus Christ to return physically to earth. In order to explain the (non) event she developed a scenario in which Jesus Christ entered into the sanctuary in heaven and commenced THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT.

I am unaware of this doctrine being believed by anyone prior to her prophetic revelation of it. In you can provide evidence of its existence and belief by millions of Christians prior to her prophecy, please do.

Curiously, one of the definitions of a prophet is one who prophesies or foretells future events. If Mrs. White merely taught what had been believed and practiced by millions of Christians before her, then she was not a prophetess, was she?
 
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The book the Great Controversy itself revealing much of this very history.

The narrative pertaining to Christian history presented in the Great Controversy is inaccurate and not accepted by scholars regardless of religious background. It is basically a variant on the “trail of blood” concept of the Landmark Baptists, which is also irrelevant.
 
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If Mrs. White merely taught what had been believed and practiced by millions of Christians before her, then she was not a prophetess, was she?

Insofar as they believed a similar view of past events, but not the same, one can’t say the Landmark Baptists adhered to the narrative of The Great Controversy. The work rather should be understood as a religious text, essentially sacred scripture, to the SDAs, who regard it as infallible inspired prophecy albeit without formally adding it to the scriptural canon.

That said I do find it difficult to stomach when Adventists criticize the Roman Catholics, Anglicans, Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox, among others, for using books in the Old Testament which are not universally accepted, particularly since the early church never was able to agree on a canon for the Old Testament (indeed, there are five canons in use among the Oriental Orthodox, including two among the Ethiopians, and the Greek Orthodox and Slavonic churches have a slight difference in how the canon is structured and if memory serves, the Slavonic churches accept one book the Greeks do not.

Also concerning the Masoretic canon, even John Calvin did not accept this, for he regarded Baruch as protocanon, and Martin Luther clearly did not accept it given that he would have deleted Esther if possible (it is probable he never read the superior version found in the LXX, which has an element of prayer lacking in the version in the MT and Vulgate).
 
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The narrative pertaining to Christian history presented in the Great Controversy is inaccurate and not accepted by scholars regardless of religious background. It is basically a variant on the “trail of blood” concept of the Landmark Baptists, which is also irrelevant.
I read chapters 2 and 3 of the book because of this thread, and the nicest possible description I can give of the historical claims is "profoundly ignorant and totally unsubstantiated." Maybe EGW was limited by the books and people she had access to at the time. Modern SDAs do not have such an excuse for distributing falsehoods about the historicity of Sunday worship and belief in the Real Presence of our Lord in the Eucharist.

And at least The Trail of Blood puts some effort into identifying theoretical Baptist predecessors. EGW just kind of hand waves the problem and says there were anonymous true Christians throughout history who didn't venerate icons or worship on Sunday, without anything to back up the claim.
 
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I read chapters 2 and 3 of the book because of this thread, and the nicest possible description I can give of the historical claims is "profoundly ignorant and totally unsubstantiated." Maybe EGW was limited by the books and people she had access to at the time. Modern SDAs do not have such an excuse for distributing falsehoods about the historicity of Sunday worship and belief in the Real Presence of our Lord in the Eucharist.

And at least The Trail of Blood puts some effort into identifying theoretical Baptist predecessors. EGW just kind of hand waves the problem and says there were anonymous true Christians throughout history who didn't venerate icons or worship on Sunday, without anything to back up the claim.
Hence my (yet) unanswered request for historic verification of the existence of THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT doctrine prior to its revelation to Mrs. White.
 
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I will start with one example, which is probably one of the primary distinctives of SDA doctrine - THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT. As I understand it, it was revealed through Mrs. White as a means of understanding what actually occurred in 1844 or thereabouts with the failure of Jesus Christ to return physically to earth. In order to explain the (non) event she developed a scenario in which Jesus Christ entered into the sanctuary in heaven and commenced THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT.

I am unaware of this doctrine being believed by anyone prior to her prophetic revelation of it. In you can provide evidence of its existence and belief by millions of Christians prior to her prophecy, please do.

Curiously, one of the definitions of a prophet is one who prophesies or foretells future events. If Mrs. White merely taught what had been believed and practiced by millions of Christians before her, then she was not a prophetess, was she?
No, it developed over time and Hiram Edson and Crosier (Crozier) came up with the earliest notions, building on Miller's pre1844 material.

No major SDA doctrine traces directly to EGW in its formation, though her visions spelled out novel areas of the health message.

There were times she verified something others studied out.
 
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I read chapters 2 and 3 of the book because of this thread, and the nicest possible description I can give of the historical claims is "profoundly ignorant and totally unsubstantiated." Maybe EGW was limited by the books and people she had access to at the time. Modern SDAs do not have such an excuse for distributing falsehoods about the historicity of Sunday worship and belief in the Real Presence of our Lord in the Eucharist.

And at least The Trail of Blood puts some effort into identifying theoretical Baptist predecessors. EGW just kind of hand waves the problem and says there were anonymous true Christians throughout history who didn't venerate icons or worship on Sunday, without anything to back up the claim.


You are not the first to raise such issues. A prominent Adventist suggested revisions when the book was revised. Some were accepted.

Ellen White was alive at the time and helped decide on revisions.

"We shall quote all of the 39-page Prescott letter to W. C. White in which he renders his report. In doing so, we shall intersperse his suggestions with the response of Ellen White and the Elmshaven staff."
 
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You are not the first to raise such issues. A prominent Adventist suggested revisions when the book was revised. Some were accepted.
Ellen White was alive at the time and helped decide on revisions.
I glanced through the revisions and don't see any pointing out that Sunday worship is explicitly attested at least two centuries prior to the claimed 4th century origin, nor that the Real Presence is attested about a millennium before its claimed 11th-13th century origin. Even if there were, those false claims are in the present edition of the book.
 
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I glanced through the revisions and don't see any pointing out that Sunday worship is explicitly attested at least two centuries prior to the claimed 4th century origin, nor that the Real Presence is attested about a millennium before its claimed 11th-13th century origin. Even if there were, those false claims are in the present edition of the book.
Sunday worship was pointed out by Bacchiocchi much later. Though I seem to recall others doing so prior.

Yes, they did not accept all of the suggestions, and some were mot raised.
 
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Interesting. I'd be interested to know, according to your above claim, exactly which doctrine of the SDA church you believe originated with Mrs. White. The vast majority of what SDA's believe, was already believed by millions before them throughout history. According to the teachings of holy scripture of course, and also other Protestants in particular, concerning subjects such as the seventh day sabbath, the state of the dead, Sunday sacredness, and biblical prophecy. The Adventists became Seventh Day Adventists via the testimony of a Seventh Day Baptist who introduced this truth to certain Adventists including Ellen White I do believe, who were instrumental in forming the denomination. The book the Great Controversy itself revealing much of this very history. Knowledge of which is much neglected today. Not only because humanities continuing tendency to forget very important lessons of the past which would keep us from making the same mistakes over and over as we do, but also as a matter of intention and design.

If I had the means, I would send a Great Controversy to every home in the nation. It is an excellent source of historical truth in relation to the authentic and verifiable histories of Christian peoples. Which includes prophetic insights we have and continue to see coming to fulfillment in this nation and world. People of course can take it or leave it as they wish. The conviction that people have at least a right to know the truth if they so desire, is what compels many of us to dispense as much truth as possible unto truth's intended end.

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Jhn 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

What could be more important to authentic Christianity, than a correct understanding of biblical teaching, and the history of Christ's own in this world? As all will be judged by the truth, as revealed by our Lord and Savior. While many differing claims exist as to just exactly what that truth and history really is. Nevertheless, the holy scriptures warn us -

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Psa 33:4 For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth. 5 He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD. 6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. 7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses. 8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. 9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
Rachel oaks is usually cited as one of those sharing the Sabbath, with Bates introducing it to the Whites, who initially were not fully convinced, but later through his tract accepted it.

Bates was also responsible for some of the broad strokes of the prophetic scheme involving the sabbath.


 
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No, it developed over time and Hiram Edson and Crosier (Crozier) came up with the earliest notions, building on Miller's pre1844 material.

No major SDA doctrine traces directly to EGW in its formation, though her visions spelled out novel areas of the health message.

There were times she verified something others studied out.
Thank you. I have heard about her plagiarism of other writers and am not surprised to learn that this doctrine had been developed by others. This helps to refute the notion that millions of folks had believed this for centuries.
 
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Thank you. I have heard about her plagiarism of other writers and am not surprised to learn that this doctrine had been developed by others. This helps to refute the notion that millions of folks had believed this for centuries.
Well, I don't think anyone would claim that the specifics of the IJ were believed for centuries. Some might point to elements of it, largely related to historicist interpretations of Daniel.

You have the element of a pre-advent judgment, tied to Daniel 7 which came prior to 1844 through Millerites Josiah Litch and Appolos Hale.

Snow who promoted the 7 month movement leading to Oct. 22, 1844, tied the date to the Day of Atonement, though the thought then being that it would be the earth cleansed with fire.

The next day after the disappointment Hiram Edson, per his account, first had a vision that it was Jesus going into the Most Holy Place for the Day of Atonement.

Later this was connected with the earlier discussion of an investigative judgment. And at first there was a debate about whether the judgment was pre-advent, or during the 1k years, with them eventually adopting that distinct judgments happened during those times.

James White initially objected to the necessity of an investigative judgment, for instance, based on Jesus' knowing who His sheep were.
 
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Well, I don't think anyone would claim that the specifics of the IJ were believed for centuries. Some might point to elements of it, largely related to historicist interpretations of Daniel.

You have the element of a pre-advent judgment, tied to Daniel 7 which came prior to 1844 through Millerites Josiah Litch and Appolos Hale.

Snow who promoted the 7 month movement leading to Oct. 22, 1844, tied the date to the Day of Atonement, though the thought then being that it would be the earth cleansed with fire.

The next day after the disappointment Hiram Edson, per his account, first had a vision that it was Jesus going into the Most Holy Place for the Day of Atonement.

Later this was connected with the earlier discussion of an investigative judgment. And at first there was a debate about whether the judgment was pre-advent, or during the 1k years, with them eventually adopting that distinct judgments happened during those times.

James White initially objected to the necessity of an investigative judgment, for instance, based on Jesus' knowing who His sheep were.
Thank you. I greatly appreciate your input in an area where my knowledge is limited.
 
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Thank you. I have heard about her plagiarism of other writers and am not surprised to learn that this doctrine had been developed by others. This helps to refute the notion that millions of folks had believed this for centuries.
She did not plagiarize others concerning the investigative judgement, which is basically a no brainer according to holy scripture, but was rather a contemporary of others arriving at the same conclusions. Christian writers have written about the same subjects unto the same conclusions over and over and over again, for almost 2000 years now. They are not all plagiarists for doing so, unless their intent was to deliberately attribute the writings of another, to themselves. The self evident truths of holy scripture have, are, and will always continue to be found out and understood by many and any individual guided by the Holy Spirit of God apart from all others. Believing, stating, and writing said truths many times over throughout history without knowledge and or input from others who have done so as well. This is in fact, a witness to the authenticity of biblical truth, not a proof of plagiarism.

Apart from this, we all learn from reading the same scriptures, and or the writings or teachings of others before us. Accepting writings of fiction perhaps. Although holy scripture makes the following observation concerning the limitations of fallen humanity.

Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. 10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. 11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

Who pray tell, can claim originality concerning the teachings of holy scripture. The truths of which are in fact inspired by the Holy Spirit of God, on an individual bases according to knowledge of other believers or writers, or not? Or for that matter, concerning simply the records of historical events? There is no originality in recording events of history. How could one accuse another of intellectual theft, concerning the recording of histories, none of which originate with the writer? Save they prove an exact copy of their writings, with the intent of the copier proved to be that of original authorship. The issue is of course far more complicated, than simply stating that someone has written the same ideas as another, or even used someone else's writings to prove their own point.

The entire prophetic system of interpretation regarding the investigative judgement was worked out by William Miller. The understanding that he misunderstood and applied the word sanctuary as symbolic of the earth, was the major change of view envisioned by contemporaries of the time. Believed, adopted, supported, and some believe confirmed by spirit of prophecy demonstrated in the life of Ellen G. White. Not originated by her. Nor are or were the vast majority of those things which she wrote about, her gift being more one of confirmation and organization of existing truths, than originality. In this world we have one whose entire purpose is to malign and twist the truth unto deceptions, unto death. It is expedient therefore, that all professed followers or our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ seek to unravel the twisted webs of deceit the evil one ever seeks to spin.


Jhn 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

It is not possible to enter into the battles between truth and error, without reference to, and the use of the histories and teachings of those who have gone before us. Nor is anyone on this earth, the author of truth. If they have and share the truth, they received it form God who is the way, the truth, and life.

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
 
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The following work discusses the development of prophetic thought concerning the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel 8. Which William Miller and SDA's expounded upon unto what is being referred to as the Investigative Judgement on this thread. Which may be viewed in the works of The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, vol. 4 at the link below.


Following quotes from links provided above.

5. J. A. B[ROWN] ENDS 2300 YEARS IN 1843​

Then, in the November, 1810, issue, “J. A. B.” (obviously John Aquila Brown) contends for the first time in Britain—and now reprinted in Boston—that the 70 weeks (or 490 years) and the 2300 years began synchronously in 457 B.C., with the command of Artaxerxes to restore and rebuild Jerusalem—the 490 years reaching to the cross and the 2300 years ending in the year 1843 This seems to be the first time this thought and precise dating were presented in the Old World, and were nearly identical with the position taken three months later by William C. Davis in the United States, in January, 1811 though the findings of Brown and Davis were probably unknown to each other. It was the spark that kindled a great flame of interest and discussion in the Old World, paralleled by an independent but equally animated and wide discussion here in the New World.

6. “C. E. S.” ENDS THE 391 AND “2400” YEARS IN 1844.​

Next, “C. E. S.” would end both the 391 years of Revelation 9:15 and the supposed 2400 years of Daniel 8:14 (Septuagint misprint) in 1844—the first extending from 1453 to 1844, and the second from 556 B.C. to A.D. 1844, reckoned inclusively By way of variation, “Senior” dates the 391-year period from 1299 to 1690 But the dating of this Turkish period continues to be a point of vigorous discussion in The Christian Observer, on into 1827, 1828, and even 1831. Finally, “J. A. B.” reiterates his previous stand on the 2300 years as beginning with Ezra’s commission, but now expressly terminates them in 1844

This phenomenon, at that early day, of one journal with two editions—issued 3,500 miles apart on opposite sides of the Atlantic, but presenting identical discussions of prophecy to its readers on two hemispheres—shows how widespread was the interest and how similar the common understanding of the prophetic terms, symbols, and time periods of the books of Daniel and the Revelation in the Old World and the New. Prophetic study knew no geographical boundaries. The same points and problems in prophecy were of common concern in various lands. And the new emphasis on the 2300—year period, with the synchronous beginning of the 70 weeks as the master key to unlock its timing, was significant. But it was simply the beginning of increasingly wide agitation upon this point. Only two men, and they just prior to the French Revolution, had previously enunciated this principle—Petri of Germany and Wood of Ireland But the concept had taken firm root, and soon scores of men were writing and preaching upon it.


IV. Ethan Smith-Places Emphasis on France​


5. 2300 YEARS FROM 481 B.C. TO A.D. 1819​

The seven vials are poured out on the worshipers of the papal Beast from Reformation times to the millennium. He begins the fifth vial in 1789 with the French Revolution, paralleling the fifth trumpet—the darkening of the earth with the smoke of Mohammedanism. This parallelism he carries on to the sixth trumpet and the sixth vial, poured out on the Turks. He applies the exceeding great horn of Daniel 8 to Mohammedanism. The Turkish period he places from 1453 to 1818; approximating his dating of the end of the 2300 years of Daniel 8:14 (to the cleansing of the sanctuary), as extending from 481 B.C. to A.D. 1819, and reaching to the beginning of the fall of the Turks. The three unclean spirits (from Satan, infidelity, and the declining papal system) gather the latter-day nations together for Armageddon.

6. FRENCH REVOLUTION AND INDEFINITE MILLENNIUM​

The atheistic power rising from the French Revolution is brought into Revelation 17 as “the healed head of the old pagan beast”—the newly raised infidel beast from the pit, who carries papal Babylon to execution, and is slain in the judgment at the close of the vision of Daniel 7. These tremendous scenes introduce the millennium as mankind comes to the end of the 1335 days, and the “rising of the millennial sun.” Smith is a straight postmillennialist. The “mystical resurrections,” like that of Ezekiel’s dry bones, are figurative; Christ’s reign is likewise spiritual, he says; and the thousand years itself is an indefinite period. The converted Jews will convert the heathen. At the close Satan will go forth to deceive the nations briefly; then follow the final judgment and heaven. Such was Smith’s trail on the now rather well-worn prophetic pathway. Though differing from most on the precise timing, he nevertheless had the 2300 days as years, and ended them in the nineteenth-century.


II. Fundamental Principles Considered Established​


First let us survey the progressive application of the time-honored year-day principle to the various prophetic periods, culminating in the terminus of the 2300-day prophecy that will be the new focal point of attention in the subsequent chapters. By the nineteenth century certain fundamental prophetic interpretations had been practically taken for granted, having been held by the great majority of Jewish, Catholic, and Protestant expositors alike through the centuries—for instance, the four world powers of Daniel 2 and 7, interpreted as Babylonia, Persia, Grecia, and Rome, followed by the divided nations of Europe. And there is likewise the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 as weeks of years, “times” standing for years, and “kings” for kingdoms.

By the time of Jerome (A.D. 420) the feet and toes of the metallic man of Daniel 2 and the ten horns of Daniel 7 were commonly applied to the breakup of Rome, and Daniel’s Little Horn was believed to be the same as Paul’s Man of Sin, the Beast of John’s Apocalypse, and the Antichrist. And in the book of Revelation the seven seals were understood as the seven eras of the Christian dispensation, the woman of chapter 12 as the true church, the dragon as pagan Rome, the Beast of Revelation 13 as the coming Antichrist, and the 1000 years of Revelation 20 as the period of coming millennial bliss. Most of these persisted amid the grave departures of Tichonian-Augustinian exposition that almost compassed the permanent overthrow of the historical prophetic interpretation. Now observe, in rapid summarizing retrospect, some two thousand years of cumulative application of the year-day principle presented in documented detail in Volumes I to III of Prophetic Faith:......................

3. Next, Jewish expositors from the eighth to the seventeenth centuries likewise applied the year-day principle to the 1290, 1335, and the 2300 days, as well..................

5. The Joachimite followers, or Spirituals, soon extended the principle to include the 1290, 1835, and 2300 year periods.......................

7. Finally, in 1440, Nicholas of Cusa became the oft-cited authority for the 2300 days as years from Persia, extending from about 559 B.C., to some time before 1750.

8. Next, outstanding Reformation writers similarly applied the year-day principle to the 1260, 1290, and 1335 years. . Then, practically all seventeenth and eighteenth century Old World post-Reformation expositors continued to use the 1260, 1290, and 1335 year periods, and increasingly included the 2300 years under the principle.


III. Dual Shift in Prophetic Emphasis Marks Nineteenth Century

And now came the remarkable shift of immediate interest and study from Daniel 7 over to Daniel 8 and the 2300-day prophecy. Among varying interpretations there arose-not only in Britain and Europe, but extending down into Africa and even over into India, and especially here in America-some threescore of earnest students of prophecy, in various denominations and language areas, sounding this new note, that the 2300 year-days would end around 1843, 1844, or 1847, though they differed as to just what would then take place. And a thousand pulpits in Britain alone, we are told, echoed this contention, with scores in North America declaring the same. Never had there been such a chorus since prophetic interpretation began.

And following 1836, hundreds of other clergymen and lay preachers in North America took up the note, and an even greater chorus of learned and respected voices rang out in the New World that arrested the attention of the entire populace, though with conflicting results, as we shall see.

Picture 1: Left: Petri’s Home at Seckback
Here he wrote a succession of expositions, presenting the seventy weeks as the key to the 2300 years
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Picture 2: Petri’s Church in Germany
Here he expounded the prophecy of the 2300 years and its timing, pointing to 1847
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IV. Relationship of the 2300 Years and the 70 Weeks​

More than a century after Tillinghast of England had, in 1654, designated the 70 weeks as a lesser period within the greater one of the 2300 days, Johann Petri, Reformed pastor of Germany, in 1768 had put forth, apparently for the first time in history, the proposition that the 70 weeks are the first part of the 2300 years, both periods beginning together 453 years before Christ’s birth, the longer period therefore ending probably about 1847. The key date was Christ’s baptism at the age of thirty at the end of the 69th week. But it was not until the nineteenth century was under way that there was any widespread acceptance of this principle.

Next, it is surely more than a coincidence that “J. A. B.” (evidently JOHN AQUILA BROWN) of England and WILLIAM CUMMINS DAVIS of South Carolina should publish independently, within a few months of each other, two strikingly similar datings for the 2300 years, based on the principle of the simultaneous beginning of the 70 weeks with the longer period. J. A. B. started with 1843, as the ending of the 1260 Mohammedan calendar years from the Hegira (actually A. H. 1260, ending in January, 1844). Terminating the 1260 and 2300 years together, like Faber, he computed by subtraction the beginning of the longer period at the decree of Artaxerxes I (Longimanus), in 457 B.C., thence ending his 70 weeks with the crucifixion at its close, which he fixed as A.D. 33.

Davis, however, started with Christ’s baptism at the age of thirty, and the cross in the midst of the 70th week, in His 34th year, thus ending the 70 weeks in A.D. 37. Then he figured back by subtraction to get his beginning date, in 453 B.C., from thence reaching 1847 as the end of the 2300 years. But he said that these dates should be keyed to the actual birth year of Christ, not an arbitrarily placed Christian Era. This was basically the method of Petri, and he arrived at the same end date.

Picture 3: EARLIEST EXPOSITORS OF 2300-YEAR TERMINUS IN 1843
(Left) Anglican “J. A. B.[rown]’s” article, printed in London, in November, 1810, matched by tractate (right) by presbyterian William C. Davis of south carolina, issued in January, 1811
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But the similarity-yes, the virtual identity-of Davis’ and J. A. B.’s dates (allowing for the Nativity in 4 B.C.) is indeed striking, and really marks the beginning of an epoch, for Bible scholars on both sides of the Atlantic soon began increasingly to declare the end of the 2300 days in 1843, 1844, or 1847.

These views, transcending religious and geographical boundaries, appeared in Continental Europe, Britain, Africa, Asia, and North America. They include writers of Jewish, Catholic, and Protestant background and faith. And in the Protestant world they were embraced by both Established and Nonconformist groups-Anglican, Lutheran, Congregational, Presbyterian, Reformed Presbyterian, Baptist, Methodist, and soon other upspringing denominations-as in America, the Christians and Disciples. Never had there been such a widespread interest in a given prophetic epoch.


V. Davis-First American to Begin Periods Jointly​

Davis is noteworthy as the first American writer, so far as has been ascertained, to begin the 2300 years and the 70 weeks synchronously. Furthermore, his later Treatise on the Millennium (1827) reaffirmed his initial faith in the commencement of the millennium about 1847. His 1818 English reprint influenced certain British prophetic expositors, notably Archibald Mason, Presbyterian minister of Scotland. And Davis later influenced Joshua L. Wilson, prominent Presbyterian clergyman and moderator of Ohio, who preached on prophecy in 1828. Davis was referred to by Samuel M. M’Corkle in 1830.

Although it is barely possible (though improbable) that Davis saw J. A. B.’s article before writing his pamphlet in January, 1811, neither his dates nor his reasoning can be attributed to J. A. B., and he covers much more ground. Davis, the Presbyterian, quite probably wrote out his convictions and arranged for their publication in South Carolina before he had any access to Anglican J. A. B.’s article. This would mean that two men-Brown of England and Davis of America-were writing out similar pioneering convictions at approximately the same time. Here is the Davis postulate. It will be given in some detail.

Suffice it to say from the quotes above, that SDA's did not just pull the Investigative Judgement teaching out of thin air. Rather it was the continuation and development of many prophetic investigations throughout history. Aided of course by the unfolding events of history itself , in accordance with Historicist prophetic interpretation. The 2300 day prophecy was a prominent subject of study at the time by many, who themselves came to very similar conclusions. The work goes on with greater detail of historical record which cannot be posted here due to time and space restraints, for all interested.
 
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She did not plagiarize others concerning the investigative judgement, which is basically a no brainer according to holy scripture, but was rather a contemporary of others arriving at the same conclusions. Christian writers have written about the same subjects unto the same conclusions over and over and over again, for almost 2000 years now. They are not all plagiarists for doing so, unless their intent was to deliberately attribute the writings of another, to themselves. The self evident truths of holy scripture have, are, and will always continue to be found out and understood by many and any individual guided by the Holy Spirit of God apart from all others. Believing, stating, and writing said truths many times over throughout history without knowledge and or input from others who have done so as well. This is in fact, a witness to the authenticity of biblical truth, not a proof of plagiarism.

Apart from this, we all learn from reading the same scriptures, and or the writings or teachings of others before us. Accepting writings of fiction perhaps. Although holy scripture makes the following observation concerning the limitations of fallen humanity.

Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. 10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. 11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

Who pray tell, can claim originality concerning the teachings of holy scripture. The truths of which are in fact inspired by the Holy Spirit of God, on an individual bases according to knowledge of other believers or writers, or not? Or for that matter, concerning simply the records of historical events? There is no originality in recording events of history. How could one accuse another of intellectual theft, concerning the recording of histories, none of which originate with the writer? Save they prove an exact copy of their writings, with the intent of the copier proved to be that of original authorship. The issue is of course far more complicated, than simply stating that someone has written the same ideas as another, or even used someone else's writings to prove their own point.

The entire prophetic system of interpretation regarding the investigative judgement was worked out by William Miller. The understanding that he misunderstood and applied the word sanctuary as symbolic of the earth, was the major change of view envisioned by contemporaries of the time. Believed, adopted, supported, and some believe confirmed by spirit of prophecy demonstrated in the life of Ellen G. White. Not originated by her. Nor are or were the vast majority of those things which she wrote about, her gift being more one of confirmation and organization of existing truths, than originality. In this world we have one whose entire purpose is to malign and twist the truth unto deceptions, unto death. It is expedient therefore, that all professed followers or our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ seek to unravel the twisted webs of deceit the evil one ever seeks to spin.


Jhn 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

It is not possible to enter into the battles between truth and error, without reference to, and the use of the histories and teachings of those who have gone before us. Nor is anyone on this earth, the author of truth. If they have and share the truth, they received it form God who is the way, the truth, and life.

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
I did not mean to infer or imply that Mrs. White plagiarized others in regard to THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT. Rather, as was pointed out to me, the concept was not original to her, but was developed further by her. It was never believed nor understood for centuries by millions of Christians, as was alleged in an earlier post here.

There are, however, multiple accusations which have been made against Mrs. White concerning plagiarism, which the Ellen G. White Foundation has dismissed, along with the SDA church. Here is a webpage which discusses them - Ellen G. White: Was she a Plagiarist? I do realize that you, as well as other here, have firmly-held opinions regarding this issue, but, for those, such as myself, who are not familiar with it, this information may prove to be helpful
 
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The following work discusses the development of prophetic thought concerning the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel 8. Which William Miller and SDA's expounded upon unto what is being referred to as the Investigative Judgement on this thread. Which may be viewed in the works of The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, vol. 4 at the link below.


Following quotes from links provided above.




Suffice it to say from the quotes above, that SDA's did not just pull the Investigative Judgement teaching out of thin air. Rather it was the continuation and development of many prophetic investigations throughout history. Aided of course by the unfolding events of history itself , in accordance with Historicist prophetic interpretation. The 2300 day prophecy was a prominent subject of study at the time by many, who themselves came to very similar conclusions. The work goes on with greater detail of historical record which cannot be posted here due to time and space restraints, for all interested.
The question at hand is not whether the SDA pulled THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT out of thin air, but whether or not THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT was understood and believed by millions of Christians for centuries prior to its development by Mrs. White. Despite the very extensive citations in your post, all of which are heavily biased by the SDA and are far from objective, it is quite apparent that THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT as a fully fledged doctrine cannot be traced any earlier than to 1844 as tall73 explained in Post #53.

The explanation you posted is no more accurate than those of Dispensationalism, which also has its origins around the same period, who claim that because orthodox Christianity has believed in the imminent return of Jesus Christ, there were millions of Dispensationalists through the centuries before the Plymouth Brethren began promoting it.
 
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I did not mean to infer or imply that Mrs. White plagiarized others in regard to THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT. Rather, as was pointed out to me, the concept was not original to her, but was developed further by her. It was never believed nor understood for centuries by millions of Christians, as was alleged in an earlier post here.

There are, however, multiple accusations which have been made against Mrs. White concerning plagiarism, which the Ellen G. White Foundation has dismissed, along with the SDA church. Here is a webpage which discusses them - Ellen G. White: Was she a Plagiarist? I do realize that you, as well as other here, have firmly-held opinions regarding this issue, but, for those, such as myself, who are not familiar with it, this information may prove to be helpful
This has been debunked a long time ago.

Yes, many people have spent their lives trying to discredit EGW and I think their goal is if they do they somehow discredit God and His commandments, which is what she points back to, God's word.

There is a real spiritual war going on, the same war in the time of Jesus who people who claimed to be of God claimed Jesus was a liar and a sinner. So much they killed Him and His prophets and disciples. Sadly, the other spirit doesn't fight fair and takes things out of context and just makes things up, that many choose to believe. Thats fine, but we need to remember who is the accuser of our brethren. Are we taking on his image or God's. God will sort all of this out in His own time.
 
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Sunday worship was pointed out by Bacchiocchi much later. Though I seem to recall others doing so prior.

Yes, they did not accept all of the suggestions, and some were mot raised.
But that then raises the question of why SDAs continue to promote falsehoods about early Christian beliefs by distributing an edition of the book containing historical claims that are known to be untrue.
 
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But that then raises the question of why SDAs continue to promote falsehoods about early Christian beliefs by distributing an edition of the book containing historical claims that are known to be untrue.
All we need to do is look in our Bibles, there is no commandment to keep the first day holy, it was never sanctified by God. God said it was a day for works and labors. Exo 20:9 Sunday keeping is nothing more than a tradition of man.

The Sabbath, is a commandment of God, written personally by God, that I am not aware of anyone being greater than He. He blessed and sanctified the Sabbath and Jesus warned about keeping man's traditions over obeying the commandments of God quoting directly from the Ten Commandments Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13. We are free to obey whoever we want, but Scripture says who we obey is who we serve Rom 6:16 so if we are not obeying Gods commandments whose commandments are we obeying? Rome answered this question.

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903

Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
—Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

Q. Must not a sensible Protestant doubt seriously, when he finds that even the Bible is not followed as a rule by his co-religionists?

A. Surely, when he sees them baptize infants, abrogate the Jewish Sabbath, and observe Sunday for which [pg. 7] there is no Scriptural authority; when he finds them neglect to wash one another's feet, which is expressly commanded, and eat blood and things strangled, which are expressly prohibited in Scripture. He must doubt, if he think at all. ...

Q. Should not the Protestant doubt when he finds that he himself holds tradition as a guide?

A. Yes, if he would but reflect that he has nothing but Catholic Tradition for keeping the Sunday holy; ...
—Controversial Catechism by Stephen Keenan, New Edition, revised by Rev. George Cormack, published in London by Burns & Oates, Limited - New York, Cincinnati, Chicago: Benzinger Brothers, 1896, pages 6, 7.

... you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.
—The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., pages 72-73.

Does one want Rome's sanctification or God's Eze 20:12? Jesus said clearly anyone we place above Him is not worthy of Him.Matthew 10:37

Whoever we obey is who we serve Rom 6:16. Follow the popular path, or live by what God said Mat 4:4

We all have choices to make.

Josh 24:15 And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of [a]the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”
 
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