Transcript of Kirk's killer's messages has been revealed

[Servus]

Exactly. As I said, the premise that "moderates do not assassinate people" is false.

"moderate assassin" is an oxymoron. Assassinating or attempting to assassinate someone is as radical and extreme as it gets.

I see ideological conflict, for sure, as being a motive here. Specifically, ideological conflict with Charlie Kirk. I don't think that's an inherently political conflict though.

Okay, sure.

 

[tampasteve]

Oh come on, you knew what he meant and ran with a slight error in grammar to build an inapplicable gotcha counter argument, tisk tisk.

What I meant is abundantly clear based on the context, however, I don't mind the fact that I should have used more care in my grammar. I feel that it's best to just move on, really. Anyone with an iota of sense can see the "suspect" is a nut case that was a product of and pawn to leftist ideology, any argument counter to that is just silly.

 

[durangodawood]

Oh come on, you knew what he meant and ran with a slight error in grammar to build an inapplicable gotcha counter argument, tisk tisk.

Dont tell me what I know. I'm telling you I thought he meant what he said. And his grammar was fine.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

No, I have actually been doing this for years and am well read on the subject.

I have read many, many articles on this subject.

You don't have to. Stay tuned. The investigation is far from over and no one knows what may be uncovered. I suggest that you read up on the psychology of LGBTQ individuals.

Then you have been doing it wrong for years. The investigation is only getting worse for your argument. The FBI is already suggesting that this was a conspiracy involving multiple people. All of whom are hard antifa-like leftists.

 

[Yarddog]

Then you have been doing it wrong for years.

No, I've been doing exactly as my police detective uncle taught me. Follow the evidence.

The investigation is only getting worse for your argument.

That's fine. I have going off the evidence that has been available while you have using a prejudicial mind. I'll continue to change what I say as new evidence comes to light.

The FBI is already suggesting that this was a conspiracy involving multiple people. All of whom are hard antifa-like leftists.

The FBI is a right wing political entity right now. I prefer local investigative agencies, right now.

 

[Vambram]

Please provide your evidence. His friend, in one of the OP's link, says that Robinson was a Trump fan. The bullets show nothing liberal. Most liberals want gun control with many far left eliminating many.

I don't live in denial. I live by facts.

Mom of Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin describes radical shift in last year: 'More pro-gay and trans rights'

Utah college student Tyler Robinson allegedly killed conservative commentator Charlie Kirk in a politically motivated shooting at Utah Valley University.

www.foxnews.com

Perhaps you understand Tyler Robinson better than his own mother and father???

 

[Yarddog]

Mom of Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin describes radical shift in last year: 'More pro-gay and trans rights'

Utah college student Tyler Robinson allegedly killed conservative commentator Charlie Kirk in a politically motivated shooting at Utah Valley University.

www.foxnews.com

Perhaps you understand Tyler Robinson better than his own mother and father???

I never implied that. She said that they were conservatives but he had been "leaning left".
My politics shows that I am a left leaning Democrat. I am also totally in line with my Catholic Church's teaching.

Most conservatives that I have talked to on this forum claim that I am far left, showing those people are ignorant of political issues.

 

[mindlight]

The concerning part of that transcript is that there's a kid saying that some differences "can’t be negotiated out".

Everything can be negotiated out with enough time and patience. But this is another one of those situations where I've described the younger generation as being indoctrinated with the "Amazon 2-day shipping" instant gratification culture...where "anything I want to happen, should happen by Thursday, and if it takes any longer than that, the sky is falling"

Society needs fewer "If I don't get everything I want right now, you're all Nazis!"
And more Daryl Davis types:

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544861933/how-one-man-convinced-200-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes

(which, there are numerous documentaries about Daryl, and I highly recommend them)

Even if the ideology one is arguing against is legitimately hateful (though, that label gets attached to things that actually aren't), Daryl's story shows that everything can be negotiated, no matter how stark the differences. Here's a black blues musician who got 200 high ranking Klansman to leave the Klan, and give him their robes as a trophy.

If every person who claimed to be as concerned about an "-ism" took the time and effort Daryl did to change hearts and minds (over 200 of them), that would go long way, wouldn't it?

If 30,000 other people who claimed to be as concerned about racism as Daryl followed his lead, there would be 6 million fewer racists in the country.

You cannot negotiate the truth away from someone who loves God. If Kirk was assassinated for opposing the mental health delusion of transgenderism, then he died a martyr. Tyler effectively said that love looked like hate and light looked like darkness.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

You cannot negotiate the truth away from someone who loves God. If Kirk was assassinated for opposing the mental health delusion of transgenderism, then he died a martyr. Tyler effectively said that love looked like hate and light looked like darkness.

Discussing what is and isn't "truth" would drift off into apologetics arguments which is a different subject...

But sufficed to say, I still stand by my position that anything can be negotiated given enough time and a compelling enough case being made.

There are people who change religions and leave religions all of the time, they all believed that their former belief system was "concrete truth" at some point in time.


My main point was that if people have a certain social change they want to see (doesn't matter what it is), if they put in enough time and effort like Daryl Davis, they can affect change and make people rethink even some of the most deeply held beliefs.

 

[mindlight]

Discussing what is and isn't "truth" would drift off into apologetics arguments which is a different subject...

But sufficed to say, I still stand by my position that anything can be negotiated given enough time and a compelling enough case being made.

There are people who change religions and leave religions all of the time, they all believed that their former belief system was "concrete truth" at some point in time.


My main point was that if people have a certain social change they want to see (doesn't matter what it is), if they put in enough time and effort like Daryl Davis, they can affect change and make people rethink even some of the most deeply held beliefs.

If your eyes are on the Eternal God, you are an immovable rock in a changing world. If your eyes are the world, then trans-gender, trans-religion... is the new normal, and all your opinions flow down the river given enough time.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Those on the right say he’s left. Those on the left say he’s right. It appears we actually have a rare case of radical centrism.

I always knew it was the centrists. Even when it was the bears.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Those on the right say he’s left. Those on the left say he’s right. It appears we actually have a rare case of radical centrism.

I always knew it was the centrists. Even when it was the bears.

I guess there's technically two ways one could be a centrist.

Having relatively moderate/middle of the road views on most issues...

or...

Having some "far flank" positions on both ends that averages out to "the middle" when aggregated...


But I must say, I don't know how many of the latter I've encountered out in the wild.


I guess I'll have to start keeping my eyes peeled for this flag to see if I can finally meet one of those kinds of centrists.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

No, I've been doing exactly as my police detective uncle taught me. Follow the evidence.

That's fine. I have going off the evidence that has been available while you have using a prejudicial mind. I'll continue to change what I say as new evidence comes to light.

The FBI is a right wing political entity right now. I prefer local investigative agencies, right now.

So the FBI is doing it wrong and you are better qualified than them because your uncle taught you some things?

 

[Yarddog]

So the FBI is doing it wrong and you are better qualified than them because your uncle taught you some things?

I don't know how much the FBI has done but I have found no mention of Antifa and Robinson except very early in their investigation. (First 48 hours)

 

[Hans Blaster]

Having some "far flank" positions on both ends that averages out to "the middle" when aggregated...

Sounds like radical centrist...

Going back to the topic...

The evidence that we have that Robinson is "centrist" or even "to the left" is that his very MAGA mother said he "moved to the left" and he is known to be pro-LGBTQ (whatever the specifics are of that). For all we know he is still otherwise "fully MAGA." This is part of the problem of thinking L/R is a single "spectrum" (or worse, a binary).

 

[ThatRobGuy]

his very MAGA mother said he "moved to the left" and he is known to be pro-LGBTQ (whatever the specifics are of that).

...I would say having sex with a trans person is about as "pro-trans" as one could be.

By hating Charlie Kirk ( who's friends with the the president who founded Maga), pretty safe to say he's not Maga

Not sure why people are so averse to simply saying "yeah, it was one of our nutjobs this time"

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I don't know how much the FBI has done...

Obviously. FYI, they have done multiple press conferences laying out a lot of evidence that points to Robinson being a hard left ideologue. Now, we are starting to learn that he may not have acted alone. Last I heard, over 20 people are being investigated as co-conspirators.

 

[Bradskii]

Wait. Hold on here. I'm missing something.

Someone that I would class as being far right, who said a lot of disparaging things about liberals and gays and transsexuals and Democrats and others on the left was shot. Now you don't have to be a Rhodes Scholar to know that whoever shot him didn't like either what he stood for or what he said. Someone whose views were antithical to Kirk. Someone whose beliefs were on the opposite side of the ledger. Someone who thought that killing the guy would...well, I don't know. It gets murky here.

Did he shoot him as punishment? As retribution? To make a change in some way? To make a point? To make a stand? To make a name for himself? Answers to those questions may arise in due course. Who knows. But we ALL know that it was the wrong thing to do. 99.99% of people know it's wrong. Including everyone in this forum and in this thread.

So what is the point of arguing about what the guy's political position position is? Whether he is in love with a trans guy or his parents were Republicans or he was a church goer or supporter of some right wing or left wing group? Wht he did was obviously wrong so you arguing about whether he is a liberal is about as meaningful as arguing if he was was left handed. It is utterly irrelevant as to the morality of his actions.

So say he was a MAGA supporter. Does that make MAGA supporters evil? Say he voted Democrat. Are Democrats then evil? Say he was in love with a transsexual. Are transexuals then the problem? No. HE was the problem. That 99.99% of people who think that killing someone for their politics is wrong still leaves 0.01% of people who think that it's OK. And to try to to subdivide that tiny, tiny proportion of the population into right or left is a fools errand. It's madness.

 

[Hans Blaster]

...I would say having sex with a trans person is about as "pro-trans" as one could be.

By hating Charlie Kirk ( who's friends with the the president who founded Maga), pretty safe to say he's not Maga

1. You are asking for humans to have coherent political philosophies.
2. Lately the MAGA have been fighting with each other over the Epstein files business, so your transitive property of MAGAism isn't quite as "powerful" as you think.
3. Other than his apparent personal relationship (and seemingly related comment about Kirk being hateful), all we know about his politics is that his very MAGA mother said he "moved a bit to the left".

Not sure why people are so averse to simply saying "yeah, it was one of our nutjobs this time"

You keep dodging it Rob. He's one of yours apparently. Radical centrist.

 

[Bradskii]

Not sure why people are so averse to simply saying "yeah, it was one of our nutjobs this time"

An idiotic statement which goes to the heart of my post above. The only guy people he represents are a small portion of that 0.01%.