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Sen. Schmitt at National Conservatism Conference 5: What Is an American?

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Donald Trump’s victory was not just a victory for his movement, but for the ideas of the people in this room. National conservatism is an idea whose time has arrived.

The battle for our future is not between democracy and autocracy, capitalism and socialism, or even “Right” and “Left,” in the old meaning of those terms. It is between the nation and the forces that would erase it.

For decades, many of those in power—not just here, but across the West—have been locked in a cultural war with their own nations. We see that in many of the countries of Europe today, where the immigration crisis threatens to transform the ancient fabric of those nations—and all who object are menaced by an increasingly totalitarian censorship state.

The old conservative establishment may have opposed something like illegal immigration on procedural grounds—simply because it was illegal. But they took no issue with it in substance, and if the same thing was achieved through “legal” avenues, many of them would celebrate and support it.

For the tens of thousands of Americans who were forced to train their foreign H-1B replacements just to get their severance package, the fact that it was “legal” is little comfort.

For decades, the mainstream consensus on the Left and the Right alike seemed to be that America itself was just an “idea”—a vehicle for global liberalism. We were told that the entire meaning of America boiled down to a few lines in a poem on the Statue of Liberty, and five words about equality in the Declaration of Independence.

If you imposed a carbon copy of the U.S. Constitution on Kazakhstan tomorrow, Kazakhstan wouldn’t magically become America. Because Kazakhstan isn’t filled with Americans. It’s filled with Kazakhstanis!

For years, conservatives would talk as if the whole world were just Americans-in-waiting—“born American, but in the wrong place.”

That’s what set Donald Trump apart from the old conservatism and the old liberalism alike: He knows that America is not just an abstract “proposition,” but a nation and a people, with its own distinct history and heritage and interests.

His movement is the revolt of the real American nation. It’s a pitchfork revolution, driven by the millions of Americans who felt that they were turning into strangers in their own country.

America, in all its glory, is [our revolutionary and pioneer ancestors'] gift to us, handed down across the generations. It belongs to us. It’s our birthright, our heritage, our destiny.

We Americans are the sons and daughters of the Christian pilgrims that poured out from Europe’s shores to baptize a new world in their ancient faith.

The first settlers in my state were mostly Scots-Irish ... As the historian David McCullough writes, the Scots-Irish families that first settled Missouri “saw themselves as the true Americans”:

But America does not belong to [the radicals, i.e. "them"]. It belongs to us. It’s our home. It’s a heritage entrusted to us by our ancestors. It is a way of life that is ours, and only ours, and if we disappear, then America, too, will cease to exist.

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Emphasis added. All opinions are Senator Schmitt's. National conservatism is a variant of conservatism that prioritizes the defense of national and cultural identity. In the United States, [Trump's ideas] can be considered a variety of national conservatism, which also gives its name to the National Conservatism Conference, organised by the Edmund Burke Foundation.
 

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“ But during his speech at NatCon, [Israeli political philosopher and founder of NatCon, Yarom] Hazoni acknowledged that he's "been pretty amazed by the depth of the slander of Jews as a people that there's been online" in recent years. He was referring not to legitimate disagreements over American foreign policy toward Israel but to something darker. "The left has long gone into a rabbit hole of hating Jews," he said. "I didn't think it would happen on the right. I was mistaken."​


^_^:tonguewink::rolleyes:^_^
 
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[quoting Iluvatar's link] In her opening remarks at NatCon 5, Anna Wellisz (the president of the nonprofit that hosts the conferences) proudly described NatCon as "a forum where things that could hardly be whispered were being said out loud.

Yep, plenty of that 'quiet part out loud' in the senator's speech.

Perhaps the most vivid example came from Sen. Eric Schmitt (R–Mo.), ... The writer John Ganz observed that Schmitt's speech was suspiciously similar to an article by the late racist writer Samuel T. Francis. The speech was reportedly penned by a staffer named Nate Hochman, who previously made headlines when he was fired by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis over a campaign video featuring Nazi imagery; who prior to that had been recorded saying nice things to none other than Nick Fuentes; and who showed his familiarity with Francis' thought in a lengthy New York Times essay in 2022.

Hazony didn't have to invite Posobiec back to NatCon in 2025 or give him another main-stage speaking slot. He chose to do so, and Posobiec used the opportunity to deny that immigrants from foreign cultures can truly become Americans, saying of Muslims like the New York mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani, "These people are not American….They are not interested in assimilation. And I say…they can go home."

Many people at NatCon have perfectly reasonable perspectives. I don't want to be misunderstood as tarring everyone who has ever been associated with these events. But Hazony is not a powerless participant. He is the main organizational force behind the National Conservatism Conferences as well as their public face. When he takes the stage and declares that one need not "love Jews" to be "a good natcon," it's impossible not to interpret it in light of the toxic stew of bigotry and authoritarianism bubbling within the larger cauldron of the nationalist right—and to wonder what he could be thinking.
 
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I would like to point out the tendencies of Trump's uses of at least some Marxist thought and actions, as the article clearly fails and suggests otherwise. Note I use Marxism as a political theory, not as a specific government that may or may not commit atrocities.

Cultural hegemony is a concept from the neo-Marxist, Antonio Gramsci. Here is from AI google. "Antonio Gramsci's concept of cultural hegemony explains how a dominant class maintains power not just through force, but by shaping societal values, beliefs, and norms through cultural institutions like schools, media, and religion, making their own worldview seem like "common sense" to the majority." Of course the Christian culture and views are quite different than those of Gramsci. However, it does have nearly identical similarities in the pathway to gaining prominence within a society.

There are other issues too that show Trump may not be as conservative as many had hoped. It is noted that all economies are considered a mixed economy. The EU nations being far more government oriented. Trump moves the USA more toward an EU model, as the tariffs can be seen as quite similar to a VAT. The VAT would be political suicide, while tariffs are framed to "help" bring back jobs to the USA and other postive reasons, many of which are unfounded.

I would add that mercantilist ideas on trade too are not capitalistic and are generally not a path to maximum prosperity. (Overwhelmingly economists do not support tariffs) Trump considers the US economy as one that has been taken advantage of by the rest of the world. This is partially true, but sometimes this has been done on purpose so to benefit U.S. foriegn policy or other interests. Additionally, it was the United States that took charge in setting up the trade system. The IMF, World Bank, Bretton Woods agreement, and the WTO all have the USA's leadership and cooperation. So expanding tariffs immensely to where the USA benefits and extracts concessions like billions in investment to giving an edge to many foreign nations is quite a large change. The point is that it still is out of balance with the US having more tariffs than other nations charge the USA.

Trump's industrial policy too has some similarities to Raul Prebisch's and others advancement of dependency theory (An economist from Argentina). They guided South America to look inward and not rely on the core countries for their prosperity because they always allegedly gave S. America a raw deal. This was very popular in the 80s and 90s but never really worked anywhere it was tried. The point here being that Trump is not following traditional, conservative free trade or industrial policies.

In re-reading some of the Schmitt post, I have to laugh at the term "pitchfork revolution.' Why? Because Shay's rebellion was farmers upset about economic hardship and higher Massachusetts taxes in 1786-1787. Some literally carried pitchforks to the capital and were willing to fight the state for reductions. Massachusetts asked the U.S. federal government and other states for help. The Feds could not respond. In Trump, we have the exact reverse of Shay's "pitchfork"rebellion. Here we have the states and cities asking for the Federal government to leave them alone, yet Trump wants to send troops to protect them against their will.

The hypocrisy of the current immigration policy is pointed out here from this opinion piece. Schmitt totally neglects the role illegal whites played in taking over Indian lands which included the gold in the Black Hills of South Dakota. So who are the "true Americans" to Schmitt? Here is one glaring example that still has not been settled to this day. Illegal migrants built South Dakota. Has DHS chief Kristi Noem forgotten? | Opinion

I admit that there are both some MAGA believers and opponents that accept nearly all their respective group's agenda. Instead, every policy needs to be examined. Leadership on both sides are sometimes nasty and rife with propaganda, poor policy and untrue justifications for various policies. Obama for instance in his first Presidential election said he did not support gay marriage. Meanwhile Bush used false information to justify the war in Iraq. Why? To help them keep their support. Granted none of us are without sin and our judgment can be clouded at times.

Matt 10:16
“Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves. Be ye therefore wise as serpents and harmless as doves.

 
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The article is long and revealing of the mindset. Worth reading in its entirety.
Regardless of one's stance on the ideology, it is clear that he has defined modern-day conservatism effectively. As a long-standing conservative, I find myself at odds with nearly all of his statements, which leads me to conclude that individuals like myself no longer have a place in today's Republican Party.

What is particularly surprising is that he and others who hold this viewpoint demonstrate a clear disregard for basic arithmetic, such as the fact that 2+2=4. In a previous discussion, I mentioned that by the 2032 presidential election, only 56% of the electorate is projected to be white. Is it reasonable to expect that focusing on restoring Irish-Scottish heritage would attract Hispanic or African American voters to support the GOP? Is it reasonable to expect that discussing the revival of 14th-century European culture would persuade Arab-American, Muslim-American, Asian-American, and young voters from biracial families to reconsider their stance and support the GOP?
 
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What is particularly surprising is that he and others who hold this viewpoint demonstrate a clear disregard for basic arithmetic, such as the fact that 2+2=4. In a previous discussion, I mentioned that by the 2032 presidential election, only 56% of the electorate is projected to be white. Is it reasonable to expect that focusing on restoring Irish-Scottish heritage would attract Hispanic or African American voters to support the GOP? Is it reasonable to expect that discussing the revival of 14th-century European culture would persuade Arab-American, Muslim-American, Asian-American, and young voters from biracial families to reconsider their stance and support the GOP?
At least some of them can do the math - they're just trying to change it in their favor. Hence the focus on the Great Replacement "theory," conspiracy theories about illegal immigrant voters, and an increase in the mainstreaming of right-wing commentators voicing white supremacist viewpoints.
 
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