Charlie Kirk shooting suspect Tyler Robinson could face firing squad

[JSRG]

Semantics. The murderer of Kirk is a murderer the same as any other that took a life.

No one's disputing it isn't a murder. But while all assassinations are murder, not all murders are assassinations (in fact, rather few murders are assassinations).

The whole question DaisyDay was trying to ask was whether any assassins--as in, someone who killed someone who was particularly famous or politically influential--were executed. Most murders aren't assassins because most murders are of people that, while obviously known by friends and family, aren't well known in general.

 

[DaisyDay]

There isn’t such a thing as a simple murder. Some might be more heinous than others but taking someone’s life in the commission of a crime is murder.

For the purposes of this discussion only, a simple murder is one without aggravating circumstances such as during a commission of another crime. Other aggravating circumstances include killing a child, killing multiple people.

You stated that “I don't see how this, one quick clean shot, would qualify as that” in relation to this murder not bring specially heinous. I fail to see how a quick, clean shot makes the murder any less cruel. The logic does not follow.

It would be more cruel to torture someone slowly to death. A quick, clean shot is merciful. Compare Daniel Pearl's death to Charlie Kirk's. Then there are people who kill by negligence like drunk drivers.

Although I was not a fan of Charlie Kirk, the fact that this was a planned assassination, perpetrated in front of his family and several thousand college age kids, does indeed made it particularly heinous.

You may be right, but I'm not convinced.

Manson should have indeed being put to death. No argument there.

 

[rebornfree]

"Charlie Kirk shooting suspect Tyler Robinson could face firing squad"

Well, that's basically what he did with Kirk, so I'm fine with it. It will give him a taste of his own medicine.
You do the crime, you reap the consequences. I won't lose any sleep over Tyler's death.
You can't kill someone just because you don't like their opinions which is what Tyler did.
I'm pretty sure I'd disagree with most of Tyler's opinions, but I wouldn't kill the guy over them.
These people have to be shown that this sort of thing isn't tolerated by society as a whole!!

Well, I might differ with you but I appreciate that you related the penalty to the crime. Presumably you'd apply the same punishment to whoever the victim was. That is fair. One of my concerns is that there would be more 'baying for blood ' because the victim was a friend of Trump than if the victim had been a tramp. That would not be fair. A life is a life.

 

[DaisyDay]

Semantics. The murderer of Kirk is a murderer the same as any other that took a life.

Yes, definitions is semantics. Not all murder is assassination.

 

[Hentenza]

No one's disputing it isn't a murder. But while all assassinations are murder, not all murders are assassinations (in fact, rather few murders are assassinations).

The whole question DaisyDay was trying to ask was whether any assassins--as in, someone who killed someone who was particularly famous or politically influential--were executed. Most murders aren't assassins because most murders are of people that, while obviously known by friends and family, aren't well known in general.

As I stated in my previous post a murderer is a murderer. I don’t see a difference between an assassin and a murderer. I think the perception of a difference probably comes from movies and fiction books.

 

[Hentenza]

For the purposes of this discussion only, a simple murder is one without aggravating circumstances such as during a commission of another crime. Other aggravating circumstances include killing a child, killing multiple people.

But there are other aggravating circumstances to this murder. It can be argued that the fact that it happened with so many people around posed undue danger of bodily harm to others, for example. The use of a firearm in the commission of a crime is a crime in itself.

It would be more cruel to torture someone slowly to death.

Absolutely but death is still death. I’m sure his family are quite tortured by what happened.

A quick, clean shot is merciful.

I don’t think Kirk’s family believe the murderer was merciful or that his death itself was merciful. If someone has a terminal illness and suffering then that person’s death is merciful. I don’t think “merciful” and “murder” go well together.

Compare Daniel Pearl's death to Charlie Kirk's. Then there are people who kill by negligence like drunk drivers.

All horrible, unnecessary deaths.

 

[Hentenza]

Yes, definitions is semantics. Not all murder is assassination.

An act that ends in an untimely death at the hands of another is murder regardless if you call it an assassination or murder. The killer of Charlie Kirk is going to be charged with murder not with assassination.

 

[rebornfree]

What do you believe would be justice for someone who premeditatedly assassinates an unarmed person who is simply answering questions on a college campus?

To comment on your last sentence, I don't think that he was simply answering questions. He seemed to make challenging statements and when people put their own views he dismantled them. It feels a bit like setting someone up to put them down. I think his aim was good (i.e.. to bring people to salvation) but the method a bit combative. Not that that would justify killing him, of course. That was atrocious.

 

[Pommer]

Maybe, but I didn't seen premeditated as being an aggravating factor. I don't see that this murder was terroristic either - seemed more like a personal grudge.

I’m certainly eagerly waiting for a motive to become apparent, but shan’t speculate.

 

[Pommer]

Mainly, the state only performing homicide on actually guilty people.

If the several states took to using “private companies” to house and eventually execute death-row inmates, ethics “problems” would disappear.

 

[Pommer]

I think the latter is pretty clear cut based on the messages they've reviewed (there's talk of planning in advance with leaving a rifle hidden in the bushes ahead of time, and bringing a change of clothes, and from what I'm reading, trying to get someone else to go retrieve the rifle from the woods afterwards)

Imagine that communication: “you need me to go retrieve the rifle at the school where a man was just murdered, (by you, apparently)?”

Yeah, I’d be busy working the landline.

 

[Aldebaran]

To comment on your last sentence, I don't think that he was simply answering questions. He seemed to make challenging statements and when people put their own views he dismantled them. It feels a bit like setting someone up to put them down. I think his aim was good (i.e.. to bring people to salvation) but the method a bit combative. Not that that would justify killing him, of course. That was atrocious.

Combative is the nature of opposing beliefs. It happens here on this site all the time between believers and nonbelievers, and between holders of differing beliefs. Naturally, it's also going to happen when a Christian is on a college campus fielding questions from those who want to see how their own views compare with Charlie Kirk's and others who believe the way he did.

 

[Aldebaran]

I’m certainly eagerly waiting for a motive to become apparent, but shan’t speculate.

The news media has already revealed evidence as to his motive. His text messages between himself and his transsexual lover pretty much spells out his motive. Here's a small part of it:

Roommate: Why?

Robinson: Why did I do it?

Roommate: Yeah

Robinson: I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out.

Here's the rest: Read the text messages between Charlie Kirk suspect and roommate

There's actually another thread about it: Transcript of Kirk's killer's messages has been revealed

 

[Jerry N.]

As I stated in my previous post a murderer is a murderer. I don’t see a difference between an assassin and a murderer. I think the perception of a difference probably comes from movies and fiction books.

I temporarily worked in a prison for one year. Most of the inmates were in for murder. The key aspect is whether the murder was premeditated. Assassination is always premeditated. I am generally against the death penalty, but there are exceptions. The death penalty, as compared to life in prison, would probably be a mercy for a skinny young man with confused sexual desires.

 

[Larniavc]

an inoffensive young father of two was murdered are insane.

He certainly should not have been murdered but I found him offensive.

 

[Larniavc]

Considering how this guy, and the Healthcare CEO killer (Luigi) and others are deciding to remain alive after they do their assassinating, I'm starting to wonder if they value the admiration they get from their fans more than they fear any punishment they'll receive.

Agreed. How many no-lifers out there figure that a high profile killing will give them fame eternal?

Coupled with a more than even chance of getting away with it by using long range methods it might seem attractive to someone disenfranchised or deluded enough.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Considering how this guy, and the Healthcare CEO killer (Luigi) and others are deciding to remain alive after they do their assassinating, I'm starting to wonder if they value the admiration they get from their fans more than they fear any punishment they'll receive.

I think it highlights how there's a likely large difference in the level of psychosis in a person who attempts a "targeted hit" vs. a person who does an indiscriminate mass shooting.

It seems like the recent pattern has fallen more in-line with people committing targeted attempts are either taken into custody, or taken out by police, whereas the mass shooters seem more inclined to die by their own hand.

 

[Aldebaran]

I think it highlights how there's a likely large difference in the level of psychosis in a person who attempts a "targeted hit" vs. a person who does an indiscriminate mass shooting.

It seems like the recent pattern has fallen more in-line with people committing targeted attempts are either taken into custody, or taken out by police, whereas the mass shooters seem more inclined to die by their own hand.

I think that falls in line with what I was pointing out about them wanting admiration from their fans. Luigi is certainly getting that and I'm sure he's enjoying the million+ dollars his fans have given for his defense. Robinson may very well get the same admiration, which is certainly possible considering all the celebrating that's been done for his actions, and the fact that he's pleading not guilty. He seems to want to get the "Luigi" treatment. If he gets it, that'll now be two assassins for future assassins to look up to and emulate.
Things aren't looking good for this country's future.

 

[Aldebaran]

He certainly should not have been murdered but I found him offensive.

Whenever I see him with his family, I'm offended too. I mean, who wouldn't be offended at seeing this? Just horrible!

 

[RocksInMyHead]

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