Trump Orders Flags to Half-Staff for Charlie Kirk

[durangodawood]

Bondi faces criticism for saying DOJ will 'target' anyone who engages in 'hate speech'​

Attorney General Pam Bondi faced bipartisan backlash Tuesday over her comments that the Justice Department "will absolutely target" anyone who targets others with "hate speech" in the wake of the killing of conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

"There's free speech and then there's hate speech, and there is no place, especially now, especially after what happened to Charlie, in our society," Bondi said.

[Reminder: Hate speech is free speech.]

Bondi's comments quickly gained traction across social media, with some users replying with a 2024 post from Charlie Kirk, in which he wrote: "Hate speech does not exist legally in America. There's ugly speech. There's gross speech. There's evil speech. And ALL of it is protected by the First Amendment. Keep America free."

[Bondi later moved the goalposts a bit] "Hate speech that crosses the line into threats of violence is NOT protected by the First Amendment. It's a crime," Bondi wrote.

Well, she shoulda said that in the first place; criminal threats are pretty distinct from hate speech.

A lot of them were never really into liberty to begin with. "Liberty" was just a slogan they could ride into power.

 

[Desk trauma]

A lot of them were never really into liberty to begin with. "Liberty" was just a slogan they could ride into power.

Always was.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Bondi faces criticism for saying DOJ will 'target' anyone who engages in 'hate speech'​

Free speech advocates rip Trump AG’s 'psychotic' claim about Charlie Kirk​

While speaking to Fox News on Monday, Bondi demanded a print business allow a customer to print posters for slain MAGA influencer Charlie

“If you want to go and print posters with Charlie's picture for a vigil, you have to let them do that. We can prosecute you for that. We have right now our civil rights unit looking at that,” Bondi told Fox.

[Being MAGA is not a protected class.]

“Fact check: they cannot, in fact, prosecute you for refusing to print Charlie Kirk's picture for a vigil,” posted First Amendment and defamation lawyer Ari Cohn, adding “Pam Bondi's competence to practice law is very much in question.

 

[Chesterton]

[Being MAGA is not a protected class.]

Isn't freedom of speech protected by the Bill of Rights?

 

[iluvatar5150]

Free speech advocates rip Trump AG’s 'psychotic' claim about Charlie Kirk​

While speaking to Fox News on Monday, Bondi demanded a print business allow a customer to print posters for slain MAGA influencer Charlie

“If you want to go and print posters with Charlie's picture for a vigil, you have to let them do that. We can prosecute you for that. We have right now our civil rights unit looking at that,” Bondi told Fox.

[Being MAGA is not a protected class.]

“Fact check: they cannot, in fact, prosecute you for refusing to print Charlie Kirk's picture for a vigil,” posted First Amendment and defamation lawyer Ari Cohn, adding “Pam Bondi's competence to practice law is very much in question.

This is the same Pam Bondi who dropped the investigation into Trump U after he donated money to her campaign.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Isn't freedom of speech protected by the Bill of Rights?

Yes, though I don't see how that's relevant here.

 

[Pommer]

Isn't freedom of speech protected by the Bill of Rights?

The government cannot compel speech either.

 

[Chesterton]

Yes, though I don't see how that's relevant here.

The government cannot compel speech either.

Some people think the government can compel you to make cakes for gays.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Isn't freedom of speech protected by the Bill of Rights?

Businesses are allowed to draw lines for political reasons.

 

[Chesterton]

Businesses are allowed to draw lines for political reasons.

No, I believe it's only for religious reasons.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Some people think the government can compel you to make cakes for gays.

The issue there, again, was not “we don’t make wedding cakes” it was “we exclude your group from being allowed to have our wedding cakes.”

 

[Tropical Wilds]

No, I believe it's only for religious reasons.

Incorrect, especially for printing businesses. They can refuse to print political action items.

 

[Chesterton]

The issue there, again, was not “we don’t make wedding cakes” it was “we exclude your group from being allowed to have our wedding cakes.”

But the person I replied to suggested MAGA is a group, but not a protected group. I think they are protected by the Bill of Rights.

Incorrect, especially for printing businesses. They can refuse to print political action items.

Kirk was not a politician. We're talking about printing for the memorializing of a murder victim.

 

[Belk]

But the person I replied to suggested MAGA is a group, but not a protected group. I think they are protected by the Bill of Rights.

Kirk was not a politician. We're talking about printing for the memorializing of a murder victim.

Not as a group. Bill of rights are individual rights.

 

[iluvatar5150]

But the person I replied to suggested MAGA is a group, but not a protected group. I think they are protected by the Bill of Rights.

Go look up what “protected class” means.

 

[Chesterton]

Go look up what “protected class” means.

Not as a group. Bill of rights are individual rights.

The citizenry of the United States are not a protected group under the Constitution?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Some people think the government can compel you to make cakes for gays.

Only in jurisdictions where sexual orientation is a protected class.

 

[Hans Blaster]

The citizenry of the United States are not a protected group under the Constitution?

No, we aren't. Most rights in the US apply to anyone who is here. Citizenship generally impacts participation in certain government activities (voting, juries, some elected officies, some government jobs).

As was already stated: go look up what "protected class" means in US legal terms.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

But the person I replied to suggested MAGA is a group, but not a protected group. I think they are protected by the Bill of Rights.

Bill of Rights covers individuals within the US regardless of citizenship, and in areas governed by our government, not groups.

Kirk was not a politician. We're talking about printing for the memorializing of a murder victim.

So then his death wasn’t an assassination?

 

[Chesterton]

Only in jurisdictions where sexual orientation is a protected class.

Good point. And the Bill of Rights applies everywhere.