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AgreedRegarding what Jesus Christ knows, you are aware I’d assume that He is literally God? Specifically, the only begotten Son and Word of God, who put on our human nature so as to restore and glorify it, saving us from death - this is the Good News of the Gospel, that God, in the person of the Son, out of His love for us, died on the Cross and was resurrected, showing us what it means to be human, saving us from the consequences of our sin, and also showing us who God is, for in Him the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily, and those who have seen Him have seen the Father.
I get worried whenever I see people talk about Jesus Christ and God as two subjects, even if they are nominally Trinitarian, Nicene Christians.
If I just met you, can you please tell me how Jesus died on the cross by doing good deeds?On the contrary, we can demonstrate the Gospel, and in this manner even someone who is mute can proclaim the Gospel. Through Holy Matrimony and Monasticism, the Gospel is proclaimed by means of example
Our actions substantiate our beliefs. They can be a witness to others that we truly believe in God, but they cannot replace the spoken or written Word of the Gospel. As Jordan Peterson puts it: "Is what you believe, what you say, or what you act out? In truth, what you believe, is what you act out. But if you are a person of character, then what you say and what you act out are the same thing, and then your word can be trusted. So, belief is substantiated in action."On the contrary, we can demonstrate the Gospel, and in this manner even someone who is mute can proclaim the Gospel. Through Holy Matrimony and Monasticism, the Gospel is proclaimed by means of example (and also obviously, Orthodox monastics are among our most active evangelists and teachers of the faith, and married couples have the duty of teaching the faith to their children, and also the opportunity to expose many others to the faith through the social opportunities the married life and having children presents - for example, by inviting friends to their wedding in an Orthodox Church, and to the baptism of their children, and by using shared interest groups, insofar as any remain available that are acceptable to Christians in general (the fall of the Boy Scouts of America into the grotesque, perverted organization it is today was a huge blow and is something I am still upset about, and it has caused some Orthodox churches to form their own scouting groups, but the problem there is insularity; likewise the liberal takeover of public education narrows our options with regards to outreach through contact in the schools).
I understand your point that asking, 'Are you saved?' is epistemologically difficult and can feel challenging, especially for those in positions of deep theological reflection. My concern, however, is not to put someone on the spot or question their personal assurance, but to lovingly point people toward the Gospel and their need for Christ.The problem is this - asking someone if they are saved is not the right question to ask in terms of discerning if someone is in a soteriologically hazardous situation. It also is a question which is unanswerable, since St. Paul feared the possibility that he might fall away, and since he was not certain of his own salvation, and since I am infinitely more sinful than St. Paul, I have no recourse except to trust in the mercy of Christ, but I can say that I trust I am being saved; however, salvation is a process that is inextricably linked to Theosis (which John Wesley translated as “entire sanctification” and those who promote OSAS do so without compelling scriptural evidence.
Rather, to assess if a person is in danger, I need to determine if they are unchurched or are the victims of heterodox preachers. If the person is a member of a right-believing, right-worshipping Nicene church that I have confidence in, I can entrust their salvation to their church unless they have a spiritual crisis that that church fails to address - I am my brother’s keeper. As a clergyman, I am uniquely disposed to talk to people about how they are, even if they are not members of my own denomination, particularly through chaplaincy, but also in general. Those who I determine need help I will attempt to help, without fear of chagrin.
What I won’t do is ask questions I don’t wish to be asked, because the questions are epistemologically unanswerable and challenge the legitimacy of my church, which is, I maintain, deeply offensive.
Just as we would warn someone about physical danger, even if it risks discomfort, we have a responsibility to warn about spiritual danger. Accountability and clear Gospel proclamation are ways we look out for one another’s eternal well-being. The intent is not to offend or challenge church legitimacy, but to ensure that believers are aware of the necessity of Christ for salvation and to help guide those who may be in error or at risk of being misled.
This is where we need to put more faith in the Gospel (The full Gospel, including the Law). Our good deeds cannot change hearts of stone into hearts of flesh. That is the Gospel that does that.That’s true. I am only arguing against the use of tactless questions that could have the effect of implying someone’s religion is heretical or false (which even if it is, a direct challenge against it is invariably counterproductive; experience has taught us you cannot debate someone into converting, and this is where demonstrations as a means of proclaiming the Gospel become so important). Frontal attacks on the faith of Muslims, for example, in countries like the US where we can approach Muslims and challenge them on their faith without being killed are unlikely to succeed. But one can get in via the side door.
Honestly, it seems like the hesitation here comes from a discomfort with confronting people with their sin and their need for Christ, the very thing Jesus did. Jesus didn’t shy away from showing the rich young man his spiritual deficiency. That confrontation is exactly what awakens the soul to the need for salvation.The option I would choose, if it were on the list, would be something like "Fear that evangelism (in the style I was trained in as a young Baptist) will drive the person farther away from God".
The evangelism training I received as a young Baptist was in the Bill Bright / D. James Kennedy / Ray Comfort model. Persuade the other person that they aren't good enough for God to accept them, show Jesus as the solution, and lead them in the Sinner's Prayer. I now have strong reservations about this type of evangelism, for a variety of reasons, some of which I'll talk about below.
(Alas, I haven't seen an alternative model of evangelism that I like, that I think would attract people to God instead of repel them. This is, I think, a weakness of my mainline church -- which I otherwise love very much -- and probably a weakness of many mainline churches.)
Ray Comfort and others like him aren’t inventing a new method; they are copying what Jesus and Paul did: expose the human heart, reveal our need for a saviour, and then present Christ. If you want to ‘improve’ on it, you have to explain how your method is better than following the example of Jesus Himself. Until then, claiming there’s a better way than the model Christ used is simply ignoring Scripture and elevating your own understanding.
Paul told us to imitate him as he imitated Christ (1 Corinthians 11:1). That means boldness in confronting sin and calling people to repentance isn’t optional; it’s exactly what we’re called to do. No amount of polite avoidance will save a soul.
So, you should start watching Living Waters to learn something. You will also see that many, many people turn to Christ who normally would not even step inside a church.- So the method is not hollow. It is very effective.
NOTE: Jesus even said that the world hated Him because He told them of their evil deeds. And if we follow in His footsteps, the world will not like us either. But sadly, many Christians choose not to imitate Jesus as they think that they know better.
Today, many have been taught that creation made itself. That thinking has to be challenged with words. When people say they don’t believe in a Creator, I often use this illustration:I think we could go a long way on my friend's point #2 if we could do much more of this: serve others in the community in a clear and bold way (going much farther than just being generically nice), boldly displaying our Christian faith while doing so. Currently, that's my best guess at evangelism. It doesn't prove the existence of God, but it could at least show Christianity making people better instead of worse -- an important first step.
“If you see a building, you know there was a builder. No one believes a building randomly assembled itself. The same with a painting, you know there was a painter, even if he died centuries ago. Design always points to a designer.
In the same way, when we look at creation, the stars, the trees, even something as simple as a leaf, we see design and complexity far beyond human ability. Despite all our technology, we still can’t make a living leaf. If it’s absurd to say a building built itself, how much more impossible is it to say creation made itself?”
At this point, many atheists admit there must be a Creator, but then they ask: “Which one? The god of Islam? The God of the Bible? Something else?” That’s where prophecy comes in. I then say:
"If I wrote 300 predictions of future events and all came true with perfect accuracy, you’d know something supernatural was at work. That’s exactly what we see in the Bible. The Old Testament contains over 300 prophecies fulfilled in the life of Jesus Christ, His birth in Bethlehem, His betrayal for 30 pieces of silver, His crucifixion, and many more. No other book, not even the Quran, has this prophetic accuracy."
Paul himself used the law and the prophets to prove both the reality of the Creator and our need for a Saviour. Once someone sees this, the Gospel makes sense: that Jesus died for our sins, rose again, and offers salvation to all who believe.
NOTE: This apology is one that Ray Comfort uses a lot. You should watch him and learn.
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