Trump Orders Flags to Half-Staff for Charlie Kirk

[Chesterton]

You linked the article which just has the (claimed) AI-generated snippet. I was looking for the actual full show recording for that day, preferably somewhere hosted by Kirk or his team, so that I could compare it to the supposed fake. That's how you fact-check.

Okay, well if you can find this alleged "real" recording get back to me.

 

[iluvatar5150]

You didn't have to search for the archive. I LINKED IT FOR YOU IN THE POST. What is going with people this week?

I didn't even know Factually.com was AI. I thought it was a regular old website. Regardless, it's been spot on in the past.

I did better - I went straight to the source of the lie - MediaMatters.

lol, what are you even arguing? You debunk a "lie" by linking to the source of the purported lie? That's nonsensical.

The only evidence you presented (i.e. the MM video) led credence to the claim that Kirk made the comment.

I did the same thing that @RocksInMyHead did, which was to go back in the Kirk archives to see if they had an unedited version, but their archive doesn't go back that far. I didn't find an archive on youtube, either.

 

[rjs330]

You agree with him....BUT....excuses?

I dont know what uou are talking about.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I didn't even know Factually.com was AI.

I'm not sure how you could possibly miss that given the format. You put in a prompt and it generates a response after a period of processing time. How did you think it worked?

Regardless, it's been spot on in the past.

Regardless of its past accuracy, a simple check of the cited sources would show that they have nothing to do with your query.

I did better - I went straight to the source of the lie - MediaMatters.

I'm not sure how that's supposed to prove anything. They made a claim and provided an audio recording to back it up. Unless you can point to where the website says it's fake or demonstrate the characteristics that make it "obviously" AI-generated, all it is is a claimed statement from Kirk.

Okay, well if you can find this alleged "real" recording get back to me.

It's supposed to be a clip from the July 24th, 2023 episode of the Charlie Kirk Show. I can't find anyone hosting any episodes further back than September of 2023, despite the fact that it's been airing daily since 2020.

 

[rjs330]

I'm not sure how you could possibly miss that given the format. You put in a prompt and it generates a response after a period of processing time. How did you think it worked?

Regardless of its past accuracy, a simple check of the cited sources would show that they have nothing to do with your query.

I'm not sure how that's supposed to prove anything. They made a claim and provided an audio recording to back it up. Unless you can point to where the website says it's fake or demonstrate the characteristics that make it "obviously" AI-generated, all it is is a claimed statement from Kirk.

It's supposed to be a clip from the July 24th, 2023 episode of the Charlie Kirk Show. I can't find anyone hosting any episodes further back than September of 2023, despite the fact that it's been airing daily since 2020.

Okay it cant be proven then. Let it rest.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Fact Check: did charlie kirk call for the death penalty for Biden

The analyses provided from multiple sources, including [1], [2], and [1], all conclude that there is no mention of Charlie Kirk calling for the death penal...

factually.co

That was done with poorly done and obviously fake AI from MediaMatters. Watch for yourself. These are the times we live in.

On that point, how do we know all these people supposedly “dancing on Charlie’s grave” are really real and not just more AI meant to further divide? I don’t know anyone that celebrated his death and I know some pretty left leaning people. Not everyone is grieving like many on the right but I don’t know anyone that’s actually happy to see what happened to him. You really can’t believe anything you see online these days.

 

[Chesterton]

lol, what are you even arguing? You debunk a "lie" by linking to the source of the purported lie? That's nonsensical.

The only evidence you presented (i.e. the MM video) led credence to the claim that Kirk made the comment.

I did the same thing that @RocksInMyHead did, which was to go back in the Kirk archives to see if they had an unedited version, but their archive doesn't go back that far. I didn't find an archive on youtube, either.

I'm not sure how you could possibly miss that given the format. You put in a prompt and it generates a response after a period of processing time. How did you think it worked?

Maybe my computer is fast? I didn't notice any processing time.

Regardless of its past accuracy, a simple check of the cited sources would show that they have nothing to do with your query.

I'm not sure how that's supposed to prove anything. They made a claim and provided an audio recording to back it up. Unless you can point to where the website says it's fake or demonstrate the characteristics that make it "obviously" AI-generated, all it is is a claimed statement from Kirk.

It's supposed to be a clip from the July 24th, 2023 episode of the Charlie Kirk Show. I can't find anyone hosting any episodes further back than September of 2023, despite the fact that it's been airing daily since 2020.

Anyway, I linked to the thing we're talking about. If you think the lip-synching is real, fine. You probably also think Ashlee Simpson is a good singer.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Anyway, I linked to the thing we're talking about. If you think the lip-synching is real, fine. You probably also think Ashlee Simpson is a good singer.

Audio and video can de-sync. FWIW, all I got when I visited the page was audio, so there was no "lip syncing" - something may be wrong with their video player.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Anyway, I linked to the thing we're talking about. If you think the lip-synching is real, fine. You probably also think Ashlee Simpson is a good singer.

lol, whatever keeps the cognitive dissonance at bay, eh?

 

[iluvatar5150]

Audio and video can de-sync. FWIW, all I got when I visited the page was audio, so there was no "lip syncing" - something may be wrong with their video player.

The video worked fine for me. The sync was maybe a frame or two off, but nothing remarkable.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Fact Check: did charlie kirk call for the death penalty for Biden

The analyses provided from multiple sources, including [1], [2], and [1], all conclude that there is no mention of Charlie Kirk calling for the death penal...

factually.co

That was done with poorly done and obviously fake AI from MediaMatters. Watch for yourself. These are the times we live in.

It was from his show. It was discussed prior to his death. MediaMatters gathered a number of quotes from his shows.

 

[Chesterton]

The video worked fine for me. The sync was maybe a frame or two off, but nothing remarkable.

Yes, it was a frame or two off...for every syllable out of his mouth.

It was from his show. It was discussed prior to his death. MediaMatters gathered a number of quotes from his shows.

And invented at least one.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Yes, it was a frame or two off...for every syllable out of his mouth.

That's what happens when a video is a frame or two out of sync with its audio, which can happen for multiple reasons. It would be more suspicious if only some of the syllables were out of sync.

 

[Chesterton]

It would be more suspicious if only some of the syllables were out of sync.

Yes, and that describes it.

 

[rjs330]

Yep, it did happen. I posted about it here:

Totally unverified and probably fake.

Yeah, it happened. To deny it is to live in your own bubble of reality that does not exist.

Nope didnt happen. Of course there are real racists in the country. But most of tge time the label is handed out like candy. I didnt like Obama at all. He was a radical and was the great divider. Could care less about his skin color.

I don't think it was good that Charlie Kirk was shot. It is a terrible thing to happen.
But if people point out that he is not a saint on social media, not a work site, I don't think they should be quickly fired.

Do you actually think they were fired for saying Charlie wasn't a saint? I think you need to take another look.

Republicans celebrate Kirk's freedom of speech ring hollow when the Trump administration is putting a thumb down on the freedom of the press

Didn't happen. The press is still as free as it ever was.

That along side Trump's attacks on Harvard, Columbia and more are attacks on free speech.

These colleges supported racism and antisemitism in violation of rules and regulations and laws.

And yes the Democrats have been calling Republicans terrible things for a while now. Convincing their base that they are nothing but oppressors and are Nazis, bigots, racists etc ad nauseum and the reason for any and every perceived injustice they might be facing.

Its no wonder that you now have had all theses murders and assassination attempts now. The Democrats have given in to the radicals and are now seeing the results.

More people are now going to abandon the Democrats over these things. You might want to get your people under control. When you start to see the celebration of violence from your side, that should be a clue that there is something very wrong.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Yes, it was a frame or two off...for every syllable out of his mouth.

That's what happens when a video is a frame or two out of sync with its audio, which can happen for multiple reasons. It would be more suspicious if only some of the syllables were out of sync.

Sync issues, constant or variable, aren’t indicative of anything except maybe minor technical issues, many of which could be entirely out of the hands of the people who created the video.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Totally unverified and probably fake.
Nope didnt happen. Of course there are real racists in the country. But most of tge time the label is handed out like candy. I didnt like Obama at all. He was a radical and was the great divider. Could care less about his skin color.

Yep, it happened and was on the news while it was happing - even FOX stations.

To deny it is just living in a fake reality.

Do you actually think they were fired for saying Charlie wasn't a saint? I think you need to take another look.

It doesn't really matter. IF there is freedom of speech, if people say they are glad he is dead, it is their opinion. I don't like it, but it is their opinion

Didn't happen. The press is still as free as it ever was.

NOPE.

https://www.npr.org/2025/08/25/nx-s1-5515480/fcc-abc-nbc-reviews

The nation's chief broadcast regulator is, once more, at the center of President Trump's culture war after the president launched a social media barrage Sunday night against ABC and NBC.​

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While the Federal Communications Commission has historically operated with a degree of independence from U.S. presidents, its new chairman, Brendan Carr, has muscularly followed Trump's lead.​

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Carr has launched formal reviews of nearly all the major broadcast networks — ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR and PBS. He has also initiated investigations into the diversity, equity and inclusion actions of the corporate parents of ABC and NBC — the Walt Disney Co. and Comcast, respectively.​

He has a loyalist in the FCC chairman. CBS was basically extorted into complying with Trump as the parent company wanted that merger.

Trump's Attacks on Press Freedom Escalate: NPR, PBS Funding Cuts Explained | ACLU

From funding cuts and executive orders to billion-dollar lawsuits, the Trump administration is mounting a historic assault on independent journalism and press freedom.

www.aclu.org

Despite this win for freedom of speech and the press, the administration has broken from centuries of precedent by restricting press coverage. The White House Correspondents’ Association announced that — after more than a hundred years — it would no longer control the White House press pool in February. By ceding control of that power to the Trump administration, the White House now decides which journalists and news organizations are part of the press pool. Similarly, the Pentagon removed longstanding offices for legacy media outlets such as The New York Times, NPR, and Politico for new media outlets, the majority of which lean conservative in their coverage.​

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Trump’s assault on the First Amendment

The Trump administration has executed a wide-ranging crackdown on freedom of speech by targeting student protestors, lawyers and the press.

www.ibanet.org

‘We are seeing the gravest assault on freedom of speech at least since the McCarthy era, and I think in many respects the nation’s history,’ says Jonathan Hafetz, a professor of law at Seton Hall Law School and Membership Officer of the IBA Human Rights Law Committee.​

It is what a wanna-be dictator would do.

These colleges supported racism and antisemitism in violation of rules and regulations and laws.

That is the claim.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/trump-university-college.html

The Trump administration is exerting extraordinary influence over American universities by threatening to cut them off from funding and, in some cases, students.​

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President Trump and his allies have focused their attacks on elite universities, which they say are bastions of antisemitism and ideological indoctrination. A handful of the schools — Brown, Columbia and the University of Pennsylvania — have made deals with the White House. Some have agreed to pay millions of dollars to restore research funds and end federal investigations.​

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Harvard has fought back in court, even as it has negotiated with the White House, while others have exclusively pursued quiet talks with the government.​

And yes the Democrats have been calling Republicans terrible things for a while now. Convincing their base that they are nothing but oppressors and are Nazis, bigots, racists etc ad nauseum and the reason for any and every perceived injustice they might be facing.

And you conveniently forget all the nasty comments made about Democrats by Republicans.. Trump is the worst one who flames the other side.

Its no wonder that you now have had all theses murders and assassination attempts now. The Democrats have given in to the radicals and are now seeing the results.

Oh, so they haven't been tough enough on the right? I ask because so much of the political violence is from folks with right sided beliefs.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/14/us/political-violence-cases-america-charlie-kirk

June 14, 2025​

A masked man dressed as a police officer went to the home of the Minnesota House of Representatives’ top Democrat and fatally shot state Rep. Melissa Hortman and her husband as police tried to stop what Democratic Gov. Tim Walz later called “a politically motivated assassination.”​

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The same man had just shot and wounded Democratic state Sen. John Hoffman and his wife at their home, police said. A list found in the gunman’s abandoned car largely included names of Democrats and figures with ties to Planned Parenthood or the abortion rights movement, including Rep. Ilhan Omar and Sen. Tina Smith.​

April 13, 2025​

Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro – with his wife, their four children, two dogs and another family – were forced to flee after someone threw a Molotov cocktail into the governor’s mansion, severely damaging the home hours after the family hosted a Passover dinner.​

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October 28, 2022​

A man who reportedly had compiled a list of people he believed were “systematically and deliberately” destroying American freedom and liberty broke into the San Francisco home of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, planning to kidnap and hurt her, authorities said.​

But she was not home, and he instead attacked the Democrat’s husband, Paul Pelosi, with a hammer, fracturing his skull and knocking him unconscious.​

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(He was converted to Trumpism during the lockdowns. Many on the right got a big laugh out of it, including some on this site.)​

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October 2020​

Fourteen people were arrested by the FBI and state police and charged in connection with a plot to kidnap Michigan’s Democratic governor, Gretchen Whitmer,​

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The left was not responsible for Jan. 6th. That was Trump and the right.​

More people are now going to abandon the Democrats over these things. You might want to get your people under control. When you start to see the celebration of violence from your side, that should be a clue that there is something very wrong.

People are turning against Trump, in particular the independents that voted for him in 2024. Trump's ratings are bad.
Those unhappy with the Democratic party are not going Republican. You might look into why folks are leaving both.

 

[rjs330]

It doesn't really matter. IF there is freedom of speech, if people say they are glad he is dead, it is their opinion. I don't like it, but it is their opinion

Celebrating someone's assassination is often a violation business policy and values. They were fired for violating policy and values, code of conduct for the business.

Im sure you would want employees to obey the policies and code of conduct for the business correct?

It is what a wanna-be dictator would do.

Yet the press is still printing and saying all the things they want to print and say. And the president seems to hold the SAME opinion of a great many Americans that the press is nothing but an arm of the Democratic party. Nearly All the major news sources are leftist. But when Trump.points it out somehow he's attacking rhe free press? How is pointing out truth suddenly an attack on freesom.of speech? He's participating in it.

No the press is as free as it has always been. You just don't like the fact that we are now well aware of their scam and so is the president.

The White House Correspondents’ Association announced that — after more than a hundred years — it would no longer control the White House press pool in February. By ceding control of that power to the Trump administration, the White House now decides which journalists and news organizations are part of the press pool.

The White House has ALWAYS had that ability. Its not a restriction to use your legal ability.

Similarly, the Pentagon removed longstanding offices for legacy media outlets such as The New York Times, NPR, and Politico for new media outlets, the majority of which lean conservative in their coverage.

They never had a right to be there in the first place.

That is the claim.

Yes it is. And they did.

Theee has been more leftist violence happening. Not just that but its defended by the left.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/22/us/north-dakota-teenager-vehicular-homicide/index.html

Marco Rubio Canvasser Violently Attacked in Dem Neighborhood

A Florida Republican canvasser clad in a Marco Rubio T-shirt and a Ron DeSantis hat was brutally attacked in a Hialeah, Fla., neighborhood by Democratic residents, Rubio tweeted Monday morning.

freebeacon.com

UC Davis cancels TPUSA event after female student attacked by far-left protesters

“It is unfortunate that the event could not proceed as planned,” UC Davis said. Despite the violence, police did not intervene.

thepostmillennial.com

Chicago man threatened to ‘skin’ GOP gubernatorial candidate and feed him his dead family: police

“I’m going to skin Darren Bailey alive and feed his family to him. I know where Bailey lives, sleeps, and the school he works at. I’m going to make him scream and suffer. He better kill himself and if he doesn’t, I’m going to kill him.”

thepostmillennial.com

Gunshot fired at home where Republican congressional candidate’s children slept

Harrigan has started wearing a bulletproof vest to campaign events because the race has gotten so heated and he has received death threats.

thepostmillennial.com

Of course we have the transgender school shootings rhe two Trump assassination attempts and Charlie Kirk assassination.

The radicals are taking over your party and its getting more and more violent.

Of course I havent mentioned the attacks on ICE agents including murder.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Celebrating someone's assassination is often a violation business policy and values. They were fired for violating policy and values, code of conduct for the business.

Im sure you would want employees to obey the policies and code of conduct for the business correct?

I think that truly celebrating an assassination is a sign of poor character. However, when one is not doing business and complies with the policy and code while working, there should be freedom of speech. The problem is that some are not truly celebrating his death. The pundit on MSNBC wasn't.

Yet the press is still printing and saying all the things they want to print and say. And the president seems to hold the SAME opinion of a great many Americans that the press is nothing but an arm of the Democratic party. Nearly All the major news sources are leftist. But when Trump.points it out somehow he's attacking rhe free press? How is pointing out truth suddenly an attack on freesom.of speech? He's participating in it.

No the press is as free as it has always been. You just don't like the fact that we are now well aware of their scam and so is the president.

No, the press is not printing and saying all the things they want to. There is a an obvious suppression of stories Trump wouldn't like. For instance, Sanders and AOC have had huge crowds at their rallies, and there have been protests pretty much every weekend of thousands protesting Trump and his policies. There are fewer fact checks on Trump's comments.

Another example: Longtime executive producer of 60 Minutes, Bill Owens, resigned in April 2025, citing corporate pressure after Trump filed a lawsuit against CBS. Owens said he "would not be allowed to run the show as I have always run it". He isn't the only one to resign news shows and newspapers.

The White House has ALWAYS had that ability. Its not a restriction to use your legal ability.
They never had a right to be there in the first place.

Well, yes they did have a right to be there. The courts decided that AP had to be let back in the press room. The White House Correspondents Association had the rights to the decision for over 100 years. Trump didn't want that as he wants to control who asks questions, because he only wants nice questions asked of him.

Yes it is. And they did.

No, it isn't.

Theee has been more leftist violence happening. Not just that but its defended by the left.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/22/us/north-dakota-teenager-vehicular-homicide/index.html

Marco Rubio Canvasser Violently Attacked in Dem Neighborhood

A Florida Republican canvasser clad in a Marco Rubio T-shirt and a Ron DeSantis hat was brutally attacked in a Hialeah, Fla., neighborhood by Democratic residents, Rubio tweeted Monday morning.

freebeacon.com

UC Davis cancels TPUSA event after female student attacked by far-left protesters

“It is unfortunate that the event could not proceed as planned,” UC Davis said. Despite the violence, police did not intervene.

thepostmillennial.com

Chicago man threatened to ‘skin’ GOP gubernatorial candidate and feed him his dead family: police

“I’m going to skin Darren Bailey alive and feed his family to him. I know where Bailey lives, sleeps, and the school he works at. I’m going to make him scream and suffer. He better kill himself and if he doesn’t, I’m going to kill him.”

thepostmillennial.com

Gunshot fired at home where Republican congressional candidate’s children slept

Harrigan has started wearing a bulletproof vest to campaign events because the race has gotten so heated and he has received death threats.

thepostmillennial.com

Of course we have the transgender school shootings rhe two Trump assassination attempts and Charlie Kirk assassination.

The radicals are taking over your party and its getting more and more violent.

Of course I havent mentioned the attacks on ICE agents including murder.

There has been violence on the left which many on the left don't like. However, it is not the Left claiming ALL this violence is from the right, not the whole right is responsible for the acts of a single person, and not leaping to so many conspiracy stories as the right does.
You'd think the right would learn to hold off on the accusations till the facts come in.

But hey, the radicals are taking over your party (Republican) and drove away Republicans that didn't kowtow to Trump and is more and more violent - which it has been since Trump was first elected. He gives permission for it. ("Rough him up! Punch that guy") So there are frequent death threats to Democratic congressmen, pundits, and any judge or attorney that does not rule as they wish, and lots of other crimes.

No ICE agent has been murdered, but there is cause to believe their (ICE agents) actions have led to the death of immigrants that had legal status.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Bondi faces criticism for saying DOJ will 'target' anyone who engages in 'hate speech'​

Attorney General Pam Bondi faced bipartisan backlash Tuesday over her comments that the Justice Department "will absolutely target" anyone who targets others with "hate speech" in the wake of the killing of conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

"There's free speech and then there's hate speech, and there is no place, especially now, especially after what happened to Charlie, in our society," Bondi said.

[Reminder: Hate speech is free speech.]

Bondi's comments quickly gained traction across social media, with some users replying with a 2024 post from Charlie Kirk, in which he wrote: "Hate speech does not exist legally in America. There's ugly speech. There's gross speech. There's evil speech. And ALL of it is protected by the First Amendment. Keep America free."

[Bondi later moved the goalposts a bit] "Hate speech that crosses the line into threats of violence is NOT protected by the First Amendment. It's a crime," Bondi wrote.

Well, she shoulda said that in the first place; criminal threats are pretty distinct from hate speech.