Economic loss for the US

[FreeinChrist]

Loss for Trump as Denmark chooses Franco-Italian air defense system over US Patriots

The decision comes after the U.S. president threatened to annex Greenland.

www.politico.eu

Denmark has chosen the Franco-Italian SAMP/T air defense system over U.S. Patriots, in a massive win for Paris and a blow to Donald Trump.​

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"The Danish Armed Forces are building a ground-based air defence that can protect civilians, military targets and critical infrastructure from threats from the air," the Danish Defense Ministry said Friday.​

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Apparently Denmark did not appreciate Trump's comments and actions regarding Greenland.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/11/business/south-korea-japan-trump-trade.html

In the span of 24 hours last week, President Trump managed to roil both South Korea and Japan, two longtime allies that less than two months earlier had said they would invest a combined nearly $1 trillion in the United States in exchange for lower tariffs.​

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Last Thursday, U.S. immigration officials raided the construction site of a major Hyundai-LG plant in Georgia, a flagship project by two of South Korea’s most prominent companies. Hundreds of South Korean citizens were arrested and detained for, according to federal officials, living or working in the country illegally.​

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On the same day, Mr. Trump signed an executive order enacting a trade deal he had struck with Japan in July, committing Japan to invest $550 billion in the United States. The order codified the reduced automotive tariffs that Tokyo had desperately sought. However, it came with a memorandum of understanding between the two countries stating outright that Mr. Trump, not Japanese officials, will select how the $550 billion will be invested. If Japan goes against his wishes, he will have the right to impose higher tariffs.​

But the South Koreans were here legally, despite initial claims to the otherwise. Those Koreans flew home and are not looking to going back to the factory where they were teaching Americans about the tech. If the US is going to be so nasty, why invest here?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Trump's America Alone policies have helped drive our antagonists together (Russia, China, Iran, NK) and our friends together with each other (but further from us).

The really exciting thing is how he's helped drive our friends and antagonists together (India, Russia).

 

[FreeinChrist]

I watched a video the other day where farmer after farmer talked about how Trump has closed markets, and that their farms are going belly up, even though the crop is good. My husband trades on the stock market and thinks, along with his paid advice, that we are already in a recession and that we have stagflation. It will get worse.

 

[DaisyDay]

I watched a video the other day where farmer after farmer talked about how Trump has closed markets, and that their farms are going belly up, even though the crop is good. My husband trades on the stock market and thinks, along with his paid advice, that we are already in a recession and that we have stagflation. It will get worse.

A lot of those now defunct US Aid programs were as much for the benefit of farmers as for the hungry.

Maybe all those containers of open pollinated seeds preppers bought will come in handy if they don't expire.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

A lot of those now defunct US Aid programs were as much for the benefit of farmers as for the hungry.

Maybe all those containers of open pollinated seeds preppers bought will come in handy if they don't expire.

I've had heirloom seed sprout and grow years after the "expiration" date.

 

[Richard T]

Loss for Trump as Denmark chooses Franco-Italian air defense system over US Patriots

The decision comes after the U.S. president threatened to annex Greenland.

www.politico.eu

Denmark has chosen the Franco-Italian SAMP/T air defense system over U.S. Patriots, in a massive win for Paris and a blow to Donald Trump.​

​

"The Danish Armed Forces are building a ground-based air defence that can protect civilians, military targets and critical infrastructure from threats from the air," the Danish Defense Ministry said Friday.​

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Apparently Denmark did not appreciate Trump's comments and actions regarding Greenland.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/11/business/south-korea-japan-trump-trade.html

In the span of 24 hours last week, President Trump managed to roil both South Korea and Japan, two longtime allies that less than two months earlier had said they would invest a combined nearly $1 trillion in the United States in exchange for lower tariffs.​

​

Last Thursday, U.S. immigration officials raided the construction site of a major Hyundai-LG plant in Georgia, a flagship project by two of South Korea’s most prominent companies. Hundreds of South Korean citizens were arrested and detained for, according to federal officials, living or working in the country illegally.​

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On the same day, Mr. Trump signed an executive order enacting a trade deal he had struck with Japan in July, committing Japan to invest $550 billion in the United States. The order codified the reduced automotive tariffs that Tokyo had desperately sought. However, it came with a memorandum of understanding between the two countries stating outright that Mr. Trump, not Japanese officials, will select how the $550 billion will be invested. If Japan goes against his wishes, he will have the right to impose higher tariffs.​

But the South Koreans were here legally, despite initial claims to the otherwise. Those Koreans flew home and are not looking to going back to the factory where they were teaching Americans about the tech. If the US is going to be so nasty, why invest here?

Working in the USA on a tourist visa is illegal. Trump gave them special permission to stay but after being detained one week most of them did go on the plane back. Not with handcuffs as normally would occur, and they also are NOT going to be considered blacklisted three years for their immigration offenses. My only question is that since many even Trump now pity the plight of the S. Koreans, why not pity the plight of the poor Hispanic that works in the meat packing plant? Hiring all these agents is not about rounding up the worst of the ones working or staying here illegally, it is about a show of force to I suppose be a deterrence. So now it worked. The S. Korean President said they will have to rethink new USA investment.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Working in the USA on a tourist visa is illegal.

Only for some.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Per AI overview, the majority were doing work authorized under B-1 business visas or Electronic System for Travel Authorization (ESTA) visa waivers, which can permit short-term, technical, or consulting work.

 

[DaisyDay]

I've had heirloom seed sprout and grow years after the "expiration" date.

I have as well, but they do expire eventually. Tomato and sugar snaps seem to be decreasingly good after three years.

 

[rambot]

I remember the threads a while back...Trump winning. Made deals! Blah blah. Same as teump v1.

Almost nobody ended up following through and I expect more of the same. Other countries making strung style deals where they sign knowing full well they won't follow through

 

[bèlla]

A lot of those now defunct US Aid programs were as much for the benefit of farmers as for the hungry.

Maybe all those containers of open pollinated seeds preppers bought will come in handy if they don't expire.

Seeds can be purchased with SNAP and so can starts. But most of the people who qualify have no interest in gardening.

~bella

 

[DaisyDay]

Working in the USA on a tourist visa is illegal. Trump gave them special permission to stay but after being detained one week most of them did go on the plane back.

According to them, many were not here on tourist visas, but limited work visas.

The B1 and combination B1/B2 visa — the kind held by several Georgia plant workers — is commonly used for business and tourism-related travel lasting less than six months, especially for consulting technical or scientific roles. A total of 4,906 B1/B2 visas were issued to South Koreans in the first five months of this year, according to government records, a small slice of the 2.86 million issued to all countries over the same period.

Robert Marton, an immigration lawyer with auto manufacturer clients other than Hyundai, said he had relied on B1 visas more in recent years as other programs for bringing in foreign workers had become more competitive.
(linkie)
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Not with handcuffs as normally would occur, and they also are NOT going to be considered blacklisted three years for their immigration offenses.

They had already been chained and shackled. Since South Korea flew them home, there would be absolutely no reason for them to fly handcuffed, in humiliation.

My only question is that since many even Trump now pity the plight of the S. Koreans, why not pity the plight of the poor Hispanic that works in the meat packing plant?

I think the general feeling about the plight of the S. Koreans is outrage, not pity. Many do pity the plight of the poor Hispanic that works in the meat packing plant.

Hiring all these agents is not about rounding up the worst of the ones working or staying here illegally, it is about a show of force to I suppose be a deterrence. So now it worked. The S. Korean President said they will have to rethink new USA investment.

Yeah, I don't think that it will be only the S. Korean government reconsidering investing here.

 

[Richard T]

According to them, many were not here on tourist visas, but limited work visas.

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The B1 and combination B1/B2 visa — the kind held by several Georgia plant workers — is commonly used for business and tourism-related travel lasting less than six months, especially for consulting technical or scientific roles. A total of 4,906 B1/B2 visas were issued to South Koreans in the first five months of this year, according to government records, a small slice of the 2.86 million issued to all countries over the same period.​

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Robert Marton, an immigration lawyer with auto manufacturer clients other than Hyundai, said he had relied on B1 visas more in recent years as other programs for bringing in foreign workers had become more competitive.​

(linkie)​

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They had already been chained and shackled. Since South Korea flew them home, there would be absolutely no reason for them to fly handcuffed, in humiliation.

I think the general feeling about the plight of the S. Koreans is outrage, not pity. Many do pity the plight of the poor Hispanic that works in the meat packing plant.

Yeah, I don't think that it will be only the S. Korean government reconsidering investing here.

Thanks for pointing out that some had short stay work visas but in researching I can't find the numbers. Here is one quote.
“We will discuss all measures, including creating a new visa category, establishing a new quota, and various steps to make obtaining a visa easier,” Cho told reporters as he returned home Friday. He said most of the detained workers had ESTAs, while others had short-term B-1 or B-2 visas and L-1 visas. South Korean workers return home after days in detention following US immigration raid

ESTA's are defined here "South Korean companies have been mostly relying on short-term visitor visas or Electronic System for Travel Authorization to send workers who are needed to launch manufacturing sites and handle other setup tasks, a practice that had been largely tolerated for years."
So most apparently had ESTA's a clear violation.

As to shackles going home, should the more wealthy S. Koreans get a break that many others do not get? Migrant deported in chains: 'No-one will go to US illegally now' Here we see Indian nationals going back on planes on handcuffs and leg shackles. perhaps though if they have their own plane this can be foregone?

I think we share similar views, it is not commonsense to export workers helping to build a factory. But I was using it as an example of the different tiers that immigrants face. Not only are their different tiers on how visas are processed or required, but here is an example of Trump giving S. Koreans illegals more mercy than he would most other nations. I would argue that all illegals that are contributing to the USA by working and not committing crimes be given mercy, even amnesty for some that have been here for years. And that if they are returned that shackles and chains for overstaying a visa is way over the top. Certainly we would not expect USA citizens to be treated that way, yet there are Americans that are illegally in countries all over the world.

Here is an example of a former sex offender being deported from Thailand. I would not care if he was in chains but I have yet to see any typical American that overstays their visitor visa treated poorly in Asian or EU nations. https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailan...erican-teacher-with-child-sex-record-deported

Long overstays though can warrant detention. According to google's AI.

"South Korea addresses foreigner overstays through a system of fines, detention, and deportation, though it also offers voluntary departure acceleration programs that can mitigate consequences like re-entry bans for those with shorter overstays and no criminal records. Overstayers caught face immediate deportation and a ban, while those who voluntarily depart under amnesty programs may avoid penalties or receive shorter bans, depending on the length of their illegal stay."

It is good that Trump offers self deportation. However, I do think those illegals face re-entry bans. Of course the USA has some stiff requirements for obtaining a legal visa. Such requirements permanently shut America off to many, especially those from poor nations. Anyway, it is good that there is outrage because the US visa system is practically broken. I personally know Americans who suffer, or even refuse to return to the USA because of the treatment of the their foreign spouses. So it is not just businesses that should get improvements the whole system is clunky at best and severely handicapped or discriminatory at its worse.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I watched a video the other day where farmer after farmer talked about how Trump has closed markets, and that their farms are going belly up, even though the crop is good. My husband trades on the stock market and thinks, along with his paid advice, that we are already in a recession and that we have stagflation. It will get worse.

Sad. I'm sure most of them voted for Trump.

 

[rambot]

Seeds can be purchased with SNAP and so can starts. But most of the people who qualify have no interest in gardening.

~bella

It's also probable of course that they don't have, you know, land.

 

[rambot]

I've had heirloom seed sprout and grow years after the "expiration" date.

Soem can do that but some seeds are notoriously poor ...so I've read anyways

 

[BCP1928]

Thanks for pointing out that some had short stay work visas but in researching I can't find the numbers. Here is one quote.
“We will discuss all measures, including creating a new visa category, establishing a new quota, and various steps to make obtaining a visa easier,” Cho told reporters as he returned home Friday. He said most of the detained workers had ESTAs, while others had short-term B-1 or B-2 visas and L-1 visas. South Korean workers return home after days in detention following US immigration raid

ESTA's are defined here "South Korean companies have been mostly relying on short-term visitor visas or Electronic System for Travel Authorization to send workers who are needed to launch manufacturing sites and handle other setup tasks, a practice that had been largely tolerated for years."
So most apparently had ESTA's a clear violation.

As to shackles going home, should the more wealthy S. Koreans get a break that many others do not get? Migrant deported in chains: 'No-one will go to US illegally now' Here we see Indian nationals going back on planes on handcuffs and leg shackles. perhaps though if they have their own plane this can be foregone?

I think we share similar views, it is not commonsense to export workers helping to build a factory. But I was using it as an example of the different tiers that immigrants face. Not only are their different tiers on how visas are processed or required, but here is an example of Trump giving S. Koreans illegals more mercy than he would most other nations. I would argue that all illegals that are contributing to the USA by working and not committing crimes be given mercy, even amnesty for some that have been here for years. And that if they are returned that shackles and chains for overstaying a visa is way over the top. Certainly we would not expect USA citizens to be treated that way, yet there are Americans that are illegally in countries all over the world.

Here is an example of a former sex offender being deported from Thailand. I would not care if he was in chains but I have yet to see any typical American that overstays their visitor visa treated poorly in Asian or EU nations. https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailan...erican-teacher-with-child-sex-record-deported

Long overstays though can warrant detention. According to google's AI.

"South Korea addresses foreigner overstays through a system of fines, detention, and deportation, though it also offers voluntary departure acceleration programs that can mitigate consequences like re-entry bans for those with shorter overstays and no criminal records. Overstayers caught face immediate deportation and a ban, while those who voluntarily depart under amnesty programs may avoid penalties or receive shorter bans, depending on the length of their illegal stay."

It is good that Trump offers self deportation. However, I do think those illegals face re-entry bans. Of course the USA has some stiff requirements for obtaining a legal visa. Such requirements permanently shut America off to many, especially those from poor nations. Anyway, it is good that there is outrage because the US visa system is practically broken. I personally know Americans who suffer, or even refuse to return to the USA because of the treatment of the their foreign spouses. So it is not just businesses that should get improvements the whole system is clunky at best and severely handicapped or discriminatory at its worse.

Those Koreans were not here to immigrate. They were not here to work illegally. They were here as employees of a Korean company who thought they were legally here. They were here helping to build a factory for Americans to work in, a factory too technicaaly advanced for US corporate management to understand. That's why ICE was called in.

 

[bèlla]

It's also probable of course that they don't have, you know, land.

You don’t need land or raised beds. Vertical planters are ideal for people with limited space. Greenstalk is a popular brand. And before you mention the price they just had a warehouse sale. Discontinued colors were half off or more. Which was really 2-for-1.

~bella

 

[Richard T]

Those Koreans were not here to immigrate. They were not here to work illegally. They were here as employees of a Korean company who thought they were legally here. They were here helping to build a factory for Americans to work in, a factory too technicaaly advanced for US corporate management to understand. That's why ICE was called in.

Why would a large corporation be ignorant of visa laws? Guess they need more lawyers and less factory expertise.

 

[7thKeeper]

Why would a large corporation be ignorant of visa laws? Guess they need more lawyers and less factory expertise.

They weren't. The people were there legally and this arrangement for this sort of jobs had been approved of before. It's also quite telling that the Trump admin is now telling the Koreans to come back under these same visas and that "they'll be treated better this time", but nothing is going to get done on the granting of visas. Korea isn't impressed and the general message from there seems to be that no one is coming until USA fixes it's visa mess.