GOP, Democratic leaders react to Charlie Kirk shooting

[Yarddog]

It is great to see that Charlie Kirk's murderer has been apprehended. He was turned in by his father. Both parents are registered Republicans while the killer(22) has been an Independent .

 

[A New Dawn]

Notice that Kirk wanted the fanatic that attacked Pelosi's husband freed. It is what it is.


It's not merely "partisan." It's a tolerance of violence, if that violence is directed at one's political opponents.

Or the right. It's O.K. to be partisan. Not O.K. to be violent. And it doesn't matter whether it's left or right; violence is not acceptable. Not all republicans are guilty, to be sure. Nor are all democrats innocent?


Marjorie Taylor Greene hasn't formally removed herself from the party, but she seems to be leaning that way, now. It's not just the violence; I suspect the Epstein issue is a bigger deal for her.

So you tolerate violence if it is not directed towards your party. Got it.

And who cares about Epstein? Can’t drop your last hope of pinning something on Trump. Can ya?

 

[A New Dawn]

It is great to see that Charlie Kirk's murderer has been apprehended. He was turned in by his father. Both parents are registered Republicans while the killer(22) has been an Independent .

Has been an independent who has expressed hatred for Charlie Kirk and expressed other leftist talking points. Let’s wait to see what the rest of the evidence shows. Most leftists jump all over the media saying “Oh, he’s a republican. See how violent the republicans are.” Then it turns out they are democrats when all the evidence is revealed.

 

[Yarddog]

Has been an independent who has expressed hatred for Charlie Kirk and expressed other leftist talking points. Let’s wait to see what the rest of the evidence shows. Most leftists jump all over the media saying “Oh, he’s a republican. See how violent the republicans are.” Then it turns out they are democrats when all the evidence is revealed.

Not sure I've seen any of those, most likely, false claims. There is nothing to show that he is leftist, though right wingers will claim that his support for Antifa against fascists proves that he is left.

 

[A New Dawn]

Not sure I've seen any of those, most likely, false claims. There is nothing to show that he is leftist, though right wingers will claim that his support for Antifa against fascists proves that he is left.

You wish.

 

[Yarddog]

You wish.

Name those that turned out to be Democrats. Trump's shooter was a Republican. The guy in Florida was a Republican.

Not liking Kirk doesn't make one a leftist.

 

[A New Dawn]

Name those that turned out to be Democrats. Trump's shooter was a Republican. The guy in Florida was a Republican.

Not liking Kirk doesn't make one a leftist.

Spewing leftist talking points makes him a leftest, no matter what he does, or doesn’t, call himself.

 

[Yarddog]

Spewing leftist talking points makes him a leftest, no matter what he does, or doesn’t, call himself.

What leftist talking points?

 

[The Barbarian]

So you tolerate violence if it is not directed towards your party.

In the very statement you quoted, I said:

And it doesn't matter whether it's left or right; violence is not acceptable.

I just told you the opposite of what you claim I said. Why would you say something that's so obviously false? C'mon.

And who cares about Epstein?

Off topic, but there is data:

Trump’s Epstein problem is real: New poll shows many in his base disapprove of his handling of the files, and some supporters are having second thoughts about electing him

The MAGA base is not happy. Trump’s handling of the Epstein controversy has done significant damage to his standing, particularly among his core supporters.

theconversation.com

63% Of Voters Disapprove Of The Trump Administration's Handling Of The Jeffrey Epstein Files, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Nearly Half Of Voters Would Consider Joining A Third Party, Just Not One Created By Elon Musk | Quinnipiac Univer

“Epstein has been dead and gone for years but his tawdry legacy looms large in a country wanting to know more about who he knew and whether secrets have been buried with him,” said Quinnipiac University Polling Analyst Tim Malloy.

poll.qu.edu

 

[The Barbarian]

Looks like the shooter was angry at Kirk for not being far enough on the right. His mom's posts on social media were quickly removed, but showed an interest in guns and rightwing politics.

 

[Michie]

Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson was seething over campus appearance, wrote ‘Hey fascist! Catch!’ on bullet

Charlie Kirk’s assassin Tyler Robinson had become increasingly political in recent years — and seethed about his victim’s upcoming campus appearance just before killing him. officials s…

nypost.com

 

[A New Dawn]

In the very statement you quoted, I said:

And it doesn't matter whether it's left or right; violence is not acceptable.

I just told you the opposite of what you claim I said. Why would you say something that's so obviously false? C'mon.

Good question. Let's take a look...

Trump’s Epstein problem is real: New poll shows many in his base disapprove of his handling of the files, and some supporters are having second thoughts about electing him​

Trump’s Epstein problem is real: New poll shows many in his base disapprove of his handling of the files, and some supporters are having second thoughts about electing him

The MAGA base is not happy. Trump’s handling of the Epstein controversy has done significant damage to his standing, particularly among his core supporters.

theconversation.com

63% Of Voters Disapprove Of The Trump Administration's Handling Of The Jeffrey Epstein Files, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds​

63% Of Voters Disapprove Of The Trump Administration's Handling Of The Jeffrey Epstein Files, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Nearly Half Of Voters Would Consider Joining A Third Party, Just Not One Created By Elon Musk | Quinnipiac Univer

“Epstein has been dead and gone for years but his tawdry legacy looms large in a country wanting to know more about who he knew and whether secrets have been buried with him,” said Quinnipiac University Polling Analyst Tim Malloy.

poll.qu.edu

The answer is: "most Americans."

I just figured that since you completely ignored what I said and attributed the same lie about Charlie Kirk a second time that I already corrected you about, that meant it was OK to lie. Sorry if I misread your cues.

Disliking the way the Trump administration handled the Epstein files case is different from caring about it. I dislike the way it was handled, but in the long run, compared to everything else that is going on, I don’t really care. And I know the left doesn’t really care, either, because Biden had those files for years and no mention of them was made by the left. And when Trump did speak about the child trafficking and child sex trafficking crisis the left’s only comment was that it was all a hoax. Trump was making it all up. The only interest they have in them now is that they are holding onto hope that Trumps name is in there in some compromising nature.

 

[Vambram]

Looks like the shooter was angry at Kirk for not being far enough on the right. His mom's posts on social media were quickly removed, but showed an interest in guns and rightwing politics.

The kid is a leftist. The messages he wrote on the bullet casings show that.

 

[A New Dawn]

Looks like the shooter was angry at Kirk for not being far enough on the right. His mom's posts on social media were quickly removed, but showed an interest in guns and rightwing politics.

That must be why he wrote “Hey, Fascist! Catch!” On the bullet casing. Because it is such a right wing thing to say.

 

[The Barbarian]

That must be why he wrote “Hey, Fascist! Catch!” On the bullet casing.

The suspect accused of fatally shooting conservative activist Charlie Kirk left behind ammunition engraved with a reference to fascism and obscure internet memes and video games, officials said Friday.
On the fired casing, for instance, a message read: “notices, bulges, OWO, what’s this?”

The writing appears to be a reference to a meme about the online furry subculture and online role-play, said Jamie Cohen, an assistant professor of media studies at Queens College who researches memes. The meme has largely been used as a method of mockery and trolling, though its relevance to Kirk or the shooting is unclear.

Experts urged caution in interpreting the engravings, citing a long history of shooters using misleading or ironic messages, often mixing politics and internet culture in ways that defy easy categorization.

Charlie Kirk shooting suspect referenced fascism and memes on bullets, officials say

This would be the latest instance in which a shooter left messages on ammunition and weapons.

www.nbcnews.com

Looks like he was having a little fun trolling the gullible.

 

[A New Dawn]

The suspect accused of fatally shooting conservative activist Charlie Kirk left behind ammunition engraved with a reference to fascism and obscure internet memes and video games, officials said Friday.
On the fired casing, for instance, a message read: “notices, bulges, OWO, what’s this?”

The writing appears to be a reference to a meme about the online furry subculture and online role-play, said Jamie Cohen, an assistant professor of media studies at Queens College who researches memes. The meme has largely been used as a method of mockery and trolling, though its relevance to Kirk or the shooting is unclear.

Experts urged caution in interpreting the engravings, citing a long history of shooters using misleading or ironic messages, often mixing politics and internet culture in ways that defy easy categorization.

Charlie Kirk shooting suspect referenced fascism and memes on bullets, officials say

This would be the latest instance in which a shooter left messages on ammunition and weapons.

www.nbcnews.com

Looks like he was having a little fun trolling the gullible.

Looks like you are trying to find a reason to make him a Republican. His neighbors said he was radicalized at college, and most colleges lean heavily liberal. He wouldn’t be radicalized to the right if he was on a liberal campus.

 

[The Barbarian]

Looks like you are trying to find a reason to make him a Republican.

Not all far-right people are republicans. You're assuming too much here. Robinson was registered as an independent, but apparently was attracted to the extremist Nick Fuentes, who BTW detested Charlie Kirk as too moderate.

The killing of conservative activist Charlie Kirk has reignited attention on a long-simmering feud within elements of the far right, particularly between Kirk and the so-called "Groyper" movement led by white nationalist Nick Fuentes.

Kirk was shot and killed on September 10 during an appearance at Utah Valley University. As authorities investigate the motive, online speculation has turned toward extremist factions that once targeted Kirk—specifically, Fuentes' "Groyper Army," which has long accused him of being insufficiently radical.

Despite his confrontational style, Kirk was frequently attacked from the right for being too moderate. During the 2019 "Groyper Wars," Fuentes' supporters disrupted Turning Point USA events, challenging Kirk on immigration and LGBTQ rights while labeling him a "gatekeeper" of establishment conservatism.

Now, as the public searches for answers in Kirk's assassination, that conflict within far-right is back in the spotlight—with renewed scrutiny on the rhetoric and influence of Fuentes and his followers.

What is a 'groyper? What to know about Nick Fuentes' alt-right movement

Fuentes' band of extremist followers take their name from the underbelly of internet meme culture.

www.newsweek.com

 

[The Barbarian]

There are people out there, much darker and sicker than anything Charlie Kirk represented. And they have plans for us.

 

[The Barbarian]

Not saying that Kirk was an angel; he said some despicable things:

But consider that he was killed because other rightwinger thought that he wasn't far-right, enough. That should give you pause.

 

[A New Dawn]

Not saying that Kirk was an angel; he said some despicable things:
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Can you provide links to any of those supposed sayings by Charlie Kirk, or are we supposed to take the propaganda of the far left as gospel truth?