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Trump Orders Flags to Half-Staff for Charlie Kirk

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Wasn’t there something else that happened on this date a while back?
Wow… I forgot it was the 11th. I got a funeral to attend Saturday and was helping with that. My bad.
 
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I don't recall anyone saying that.
I didn’t say anybody said it. I said it.
As we learned from Charlies death "punishing" your opposition doesn't work. We can't punish our way out of the rhetoric the left is spewing. The only way to stop this violence is for those who are on the left to do it themselves. We can punish the perpetrators of violence, but only those on the ideological side of those who would do this can stop it.
I don’t know, I feel like people uniting to decry crazy people shooting people is kind of a bipartisan stance. Or it was, at some point.
 
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Yes. The Left is engaging in simple projection. They are delusional.
Well, you and I agree on there being a facet of delusion at play here, at least.
 
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Then by all means, clarify what you mean, because I have to tell you it looks like you’re saying something awful shocking for a dude who says hateful rhetoric belongs only to the left.
I have no idea what I need to clarify. At no time was Charlie Kirk an elected official.
And floor slippery when wet to you too, my guy.
My apologies. I didn't mean to go over your head.
 
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oooohhhh.... that's what we're working with... ok


Oh? I don't remember that. To what are you referring? I do recall the incident in Charlottesville, and the incident in Austin, some others where I can see the visuals but forget the location, a couple different states trying to make it easier to run over protestors,
Yeah - the reason being the media only likes to show these types of crimes when the perpetrators are White - not when they are members of any "minority".

They tried ignoring the stabbing of Iryna Zarutska on the light rail and people still don't know about the trans and ANTIFA stuffed engraved on the casings of the bullets in the gun that assassinated Charlie Kirk.

They ignore, downplay, try to empathize with the criminals or just blame Trump.

The incident I initially referred to was the Waukesha Christmas Parade attack - which for days the media claimed "an SUV" ran over a bunch of people - because they didn't want to admit the driver was a black man.
 
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I have no idea what I need to clarify. At no time was Charlie Kirk an elected official.
Now it’s me who has to apologize for going over your head apparently as you seem to have forgotten both what we were talking about and what your stance was. See, the elected official who was assassinated got no lowered flag, nor did they get a call or visit from Trump AFAIK, and your rationale was… Meh. They didn’t do much and the state produced other leaders you don’t like, so one doesn’t need to do much when an official is assassinated in that scenario.

So I’m trying to clarify why the death of an elected official is NBD and the death of this guy has you elevating him to Saint and martyr, and how you can claim that’s somehow a pro-American viewpoint.

My apologies. I didn't mean to go over your head.
Nonsense often does.
 
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Well, you and I agree on there being a facet of delusion at play here, at least.
The classic "I know you are, but what am I?"

I guess that is the level of argumentation I should expect.
 
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Now it’s me who has to apologize for going over your head apparently as you seem to have forgotten both what we were talking about and what your stance was. See, the elected official who was assassinated got no lowered flag, nor did they get a call or visit from Trump AFAIK, and your rationale was… Meh. They didn’t do much and the state produced other leaders you don’t like, so one doesn’t need to do much when an official is assassinated in that scenario.

So I’m trying to clarify why the death of an elected official is NBD and the death of this guy has you elevating him to Saint and martyr, and how you can claim that’s somehow a pro-American viewpoint.
I already addressed that in post #22.
 
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Wasn’t there something else that happened on this date a while back?
911 World trade center and other things blow up. I totally forgot. To be honest, I numb to all this.
 
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So what I’m hearing is it’s no biggie to kill elected officials as long they aren’t one of the big ones.

Interesting.
Maybe not no biggie but it’s at least less of a big deal to some than an internet celebrity being killed.

Parasocial relationships are a weird thing.
 
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The classic "I know you are, but what am I?"
Actually, I was being dismissive. I’m not a “leftist” so I didn’t think that anything you said applied to me so I wasn’t bothered one way or the other, so a “I know what you are but what am I” wouldn’t have made sense.
I guess that is the level of argumentation I should expect.
With stances like you’ve just shared with the class, I’d say that’s a fair assessment. Yelling “2 + leprechaun = yellow” doesn’t really require anybody jump in to say “hey, you’re confused” followed by a stimulating debate.
 
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I already addressed that in post #22.
Which brings me back to:

So what I’m hearing is it’s no biggie to kill elected officials as long they aren’t one of the big ones.

Interesting.
 
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Maybe not no biggie but it’s at least less of a big deal to some than an internet celebrity being killed.

Parasocial relationships are a weird thing.
There have been a lot of weird things since… Honestly, since David Bowie died in 2016. It’s hard to keep track.
 
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Which brings me back to:

So what I’m hearing is it’s no biggie to kill elected officials as long they aren’t one of the big ones.

Interesting.
I'm at a loss. I can do nothing from here to improve your reading comprehension skills.
 
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Yeah - the reason being the media only likes to show these types of crimes when the perpetrators are White - not when they are members of any "minority".

They tried ignoring the stabbing of Iryna Zarutska on the light rail and people still don't know about the trans and ANTIFA stuffed engraved on the casings of the bullets in the gun that assassinated Charlie Kirk.

They ignore, downplay, try to empathize with the criminals or just blame Trump.

The incident I initially referred to was the Waukesha Christmas Parade attack - which for days the media claimed "an SUV" ran over a bunch of people - because they didn't want to admit the driver was a black man.

Oh, that's the one you were talking about. So, in your mind a bipolar crazy guy who spouted sovereign citizen rhetoric at his trial (where he defended himself) amounts to a "deranged leftists". Cool. Between this and your comments about J6, I'm glad you've illustrated for all of us how closely you try to hew to the truth.
 
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No response, no refuting.

Interesting and noted.
Your complete lack of response to my post #22 is duly noted, but not interesting, only expected, coming from your side. Has it slipped your mind that it's not just you and I here, that other people can read your posts?
 
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