ICE Launches Operation Midway Blitz in Honor of Katie Abraham to Target Criminal Illegal Aliens Terrorizing Americans in Sanctuary Illinois

[Oompa Loompa]

My argument is that the Supreme court has an absurd definition of "probable cause".

Then go take it to the Supreme Court, seeing how you feel more qualified than they are. Meanwhile, the vast majority of the United States will rest assured that common sense prevailed.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

This isn't about whether something is right or wrong or "common sense" - you claimed that Kavanaugh did not say something. I pointed out where he did, in fact, say the thing.

And I am saying that he did not say any person can be stopped because they are brown and waiting for a bus. I am saying they can be stopped when they are exhibiting what 99.99% illegal immigrants demonstrate. That is called "probable cause."

 

[rambot]

Then go take it to the Supreme Court, seeing how you feel more qualified than they are. Meanwhile, the vast majority of the United States will rest assured that common sense prevailed.

You think that just because these guys are on the Supreme Court, the ONLY thing they are is "qualified"? You think their own personal opinions aren't part of their decision making?

This is an Activism court and has become quite unpopular. Looking historically, either opinions were mixed or the court was well liked. Since Trump's 3 appointments (surprise, surprise), there's less trust in it.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

You think that just because these guys are on the Supreme Court, the ONLY thing they are is "qualified"? You think their own personal opinions aren't part of their decision making?

This is an Activism court and has become quite unpopular. Looking historically, either opinions were mixed or the court was well liked. Since Trump's 3 appointments (surprise, surprise), there's less trust in it.

Noted.

You think that just because these guys are on the Supreme Court, the ONLY thing they are is "qualified"? You think their own personal opinions aren't part of their decision making?

This is an Activism court and has become quite unpopular. Looking historically, either opinions were mixed or the court was well liked. Since Trump's 3 appointments (surprise, surprise), there's less trust in it.

Less trust by liberals (surprise, surprise). Gee, I wonder why? Is it because things are not going their way and common sense is taking over an unrealistic ideology.

 

[DaisyDay]

You do not have to answer any questions of ICE or any law enforcement officers. However, if it is a "Terry stop" and they ask you your name and you don't provide it, citizen or not, they can detain you.

Some states have automatic id laws where if an officer asks for name, date of birth, etc. the person must comply but other states don't. Only if they have "specific and articulable facts" can they stop you.

As you have said, "the Supreme Court overturned that ruling." So I do not give a flip about whatever a liberal activist district judge thinks.

No, the Supreme Court did not overturn that ruling, it merely lifted the stay until a real ruling can be made.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

And I am saying that he did not say any person can be stopped because they are brown and waiting for a bus.

Except he did. Not explicitly, but by overturning the ruling that a person cannot be stopped because they are brown and waiting for a bus, that indicates that, in fact, a person can be stopped because they are brown and waiting for a bus.

I am saying they can be stopped when they are exhibiting what 99.99% illegal immigrants demonstrate. That is called "probable cause."

What you say can and cannot happen is irrelevant, since - as far as I know - you are neither an ICE agent nor a federal judge.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Remember, I have to have a heart before you can pull on my heart strings.

I wasn’t playing on your heart. I was pointing out the commonality that unites the demographic people are bleating about getting out of the country. I’m aware of your biases and your comfort in having them.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I wasn’t playing on your heart. I was pointing out the commonality that unites the demographic people are bleating about getting out of the country. I’m aware of your biases and your comfort in having them.

Then let them get out of the country on their own volition, not because they were forcibly deported.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

You can only speak toward your own goal. I know that Trump and conservatives have been at the forefront of stopping racism, and are pro-legal immigration.

That’s not what your cohorts are saying, they’re talking about profiling people of those makeups for interrogation and deportation.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Then let them get out of the country on their own volition, not because they were forcibly deported.

Nah. You want them, you can try to get them, but through all of us who won’t make it easy.

 

[rjs330]

They ruled that LOOKING like an immigrant and doing something immigrants do (like waiting for a bus) is sufficient grounds.

Baloney. What he said was:

"To be clear, apparent ethnicity alone cannot furnish reasonable suspicion; under this Court’s case law regarding immigration stops, however, it can be a 'relevant factor' when considered along with other salient factors."

One of the other relevant factors was NOT waiting for the bus.

The other factors are:
1. those individuals tend to gather in certain locations to seek daily work;
2. that those individuals often work in certain kinds of jobs, such as day labor, landscaping, agriculture, and construction, that do not require paperwork and are therefore especially attractive to illegal immigrants;
3. and that many of those illegally in the Los Angeles area come from Mexico or Central America and
4. do not speak much English.

So, looking Hispanic is not a reason, waiting for a bus, is not a reason.

 

[rjs330]

If some one is standing outside a bank there is no particularized suspicion to stop them.

If they are outside a bank holding a gun, carrying a face mask and got out of a car with a driver and the car is running, there is reasonable suspicion to stop him. Maybe the gun is legal to have, maybe hes returning the mask to a store down the street, maybe his buddy just drove him because his car is broke down and this was the only place to park.

But if cops are looking for suspicious activity that may be criminal then this is it and provides reasonable suspicion for a stop.

All those things Kavenaugh gave provide reasonable suspicion for a stop.

He didnt say a brown guy walking down the street is reasonable or no did he say if you hear someone speaking Spanish its reasonable. Its about the totality of circumstances.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

That’s not what your cohorts are saying, they’re talking about profiling people of those makeups for interrogation and deportation.

Nope

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Nah. You want them, you can try to get them, but through all of us who won’t make it easy.

All of whom? So much for "no one is above the law" huh?

 

[Zaha Torte]

My favourite thing is that there are now 2 classes of residents in the United States and that everyone MUST be considered through this lens.


Just like the founding fathers wanted.

Exactly. Citizens and everyone else.

 

[Zaha Torte]

ICE Launches Operation Midway Blitz in Honor of Katie Abraham to Target Criminal Illegal Aliens Terrorizing Americans in Sanctuary Illinois | Homeland Security

The Department of Homeland Security announced Operation Midway Blitz in honor of Katie Abraham who was killed in a drunk driving hit-and-run car wreck caused by criminal illegal alien Julio Cucul-Bol in Illinois. This ICE operation will target the criminal illegal aliens who flocked to Chicago...

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I'm glad they included photos. If you see them please report them to ICE.

All illegal aliens are criminals.