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I feel I should point out that if this was his claim, that Jerome mistranslated metanoia (μετάνοια) as do penance and "it had to be corrected by the Wycliffe and the Lollards as, "repent"", then that seems to me to be simply wrong.

If Wycliffe was the one who corrected the mistranslation to mean repent, then why did he make that same supposed mistranslation? The Wycliffe New Testament (translated from the Latin) quite consistently translated metanoia as penance. I used a concordance to look up every instance of metanoia in the New Testament, then looked up how Wycliffe rendered those verses. Have a look. He repeatedly used penance. So how in the world did Wycliffe "correct" this alleged mistranslation if he was clearly following it?

Now we turn to the Latin Vulgate itself. Every instance of metanoia in the Greek New Testament, I believe, is translated as poenitentia (variant spelling of paenitentia) in the Latin. Metanoia means repentance. And paenitentia... means repentance. This is not a mistranslation, obviously, to translate a word into a word that means the same thing. Also, Jerome didn't translate the New Testament part of the Latin Vulgate. He just edited already-translated Gospels, and didn't do anything with the rest of the New Testament (which were edited by unknown people). The translation was the Old Testament, where he translated directly from the Hebrew into the Latin, rather than translating from the Greek Septuagint (translated from the Hebrew) as prior translations into Latin did. Anyway, it looks like translating metanoia as poenitentia was done in the translations prior to Jerome, as earlier Latin writers quote the applicable verses using that word (e.g. Tertullian, writing in Latin and quoting Matthew 3:8 in Against Hermogenes, uses that word--clearly this was not from Jerome, who was not even born at that point).

So no issues with the Latin Vulgate on this. But wait, someone might say. Maybe the Latin Vulgate is cleared, but what about translations from it? Doesn't the Douay Rheims Bible--the most notable translation of the Latin Vulgate--say "penance" in these cases? Shouldn't it use repentance? Well, while paenitentia can mean repentance, it can also mean penance in the normal English sense (an act of self-punishment used as an outward sign of repentance). However, I would submit that this is not the result of them choosing the wrong meaning from the Latin, but rather that they translated accurately in the Douay Rheims (in both the original translation from around 1600 and the better-known revision by Challoner around 1750). This is because of the time they were translated.

In modern English, the word penance, aside from its usage in the "Sacrament of Penance", means, as my dictionary nicely explains, "voluntary self-punishment inflicted as an outward expression of repentance for having done wrong." However, penance can also mean simple repentance or regret without inherently implying the aforementioned definition. This meaning has fallen out of use, however, to such an extent it isn't listed in the dictionary I just cited. But the Oxford English Dictionary does offer as one of its definitions "Repentance, penitence; amendment of one's life. Now rare." The Douay Rheims translation(s) were done well in the past, when this meaning was more frequently understood. I suppose they could have still used repentance, but given the word penance literally comes from paenitentia, it makes sense to render it as penance if it still shared the same meaning. As noted, since then that meaning has fallen out of favor, but I notice that more recent translations from the Latin Vulgate, such as the Knox Bible or Confraternity Bible (both from the mid 20th century), use "repentance", keeping up with the shifts in the English language. For comparison, the Douay Rheims (again, circa 1750) rendered Matthew 3:8 as "Bring forth therefore fruit worthy of penance." The Knox Bible a renders it "Come, then, yield the acceptable fruit of repentance" and the Confraternity Bible (well, one of them, I think there are several versions) says "Bring forth therefore fruit befitting repentance."

One can, of course, assert that proper repentance involves penance anyway, as you argue--but even if one wants to draw a distinction between the two, I don't think there's any mistranslation here.
Thank you for your thoughtful analysis. I obviously need to do more research. I was relaying a conversation with and an analysis of an Adventist preacher’s sermon.
The points being that Adventists deny the need to “do penance” and the Catholic Church is accused of making works required for salvation
The “reformation” was started in large part due to the concept of “faith alone”. A more in depth study surrounding this issue is warranted. This study should involve careful review of the facts and not emotional or proof text accusations back and forth.
You have elegantly pointed out the need. All of those that love God and seek Him with all their heart will pursue the study or rely on others that do a careful analysis
I will continue my conversation with the Adventist preacher unless it starts to yield no fruit. Not that he will become Catholic nor I Adventist, but that we deepen our understanding of God’s word.
 
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Ok analysis of the word of God is not opinion
The Bible was not written in English so if you base the word of God on English only, then you are subject to your translator and commentator, not to the word of God, though you proclaim it to be
Analysis of the Bible is not opinion but an act of humility that we may not understand what was originally written and need to search for God with all our hearts

To proclaim an English translation as the absolute word of God and our interpretation of it must be followed is to proclaim ourselves as God
Is that what you wish to do?
No. I point people to the word of God as the final authority, which has been sufficiently translated by the providence God Himself, for people to read, comprehend, understand, and be convicted and converted by unto salvation. I contest your opinion that it has not.
 
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No. I point people to the word of God as the final authority, which has been sufficiently translated by the providence God Himself, for people to read, comprehend, understand, and be convicted and converted by unto salvation. I contest your opinion that it has not.
The fact is that scripture has been translated which means that not all reflect the original meaning. They are the opinions of men.
To find the meaning, it is beneficial to study original texts in the original language and not rely 100% in our favorite translation
 
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Thank the Lord for such a great Solemnity of the Assumption of the Blessed Mother of God into Heaven.
An event which some claim to be true, but holy scripture does not support or address at all. Along with all of the other extra biblical teaching and practice in relation to Mary, who is not and will not ever be the mother of God. Who was the mother of the man Jesus Christ, certainly not the great I am, of holy scripture. She had no part in the divine nature of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, who always has been, island always will be by virtue of the immortality which god alone has. Which He alone can impart to anyone.

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
 
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Those in Heaven are alive, not dead. Do not discount the power of God, God is capable of allowing those in Heaven to hear our prayers. The Bible tells us we are to pray for one another and the prayers of the saints in Heaven are spoken of in Revelation. The Bible is NOT the work of Satan:

Rev 8: 3-4 And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God. RSVCE
No, accepting those taken straight from earth to heaven (Enoch and Elijah), and Moses and others of special resurrections at out Lord's crucifixion, the rest of the saints sleep the sleep of death until the resurrection of life.

1Co 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
 
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An event which some claim to be true, but holy scripture does not support or address at all. Along with all of the other extra biblical teaching and practice in relation to Mary, who is not and will not ever be the mother of God. Who was the mother of the man Jesus Christ, certainly not the great I am, of holy scripture. She had no part in the divine nature of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, who always has been, island always will be by virtue of the immortality which god alone has. Which He alone can impart to anyone.
Mary is the mother of Jesus. Jesus is God. Mary is the mother of God.

Luke 1:43 And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? RSVCE
 
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An event which some claim to be true, but holy scripture does not support or address at all. Along with all of the other extra biblical teaching and practice in relation to Mary, who is not and will not ever be the mother of God. Who was the mother of the man Jesus Christ, certainly not the great I am, of holy scripture. She had no part in the divine nature of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, who always has been, island always will be by virtue of the immortality which god alone has. Which He alone can impart to anyone.

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
So your argument is that Jesus was not God while in Mary’s womb, nor in the process of birth which would make her His mother? Did God abandon Himself at that time?
If Jesus was God in Mary’s womb, then she is His mother


My soul is created by God, not my mother, yet my mother is still my mother. She is due honor by God’s command.

Mary is also due honor by virtue of her motherhood, unless you say that God does not obey His own commands

The argument that Mary could be the mother of Jesus humanity apart from His divinity is absurd even by natural standards.


Do you really want to join the list of her enemies? Gen 3:15 tells us who is first on that list. Revelation 12 tells us that those that are her seed keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Is it really your desire to disavow her and deny her divine maternity?
 
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Mark 12:26-27 And as for the dead being raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the bush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not God of the dead, but of the living; you are quite wrong.” RSVCE

When we add a little context to the scripture you have quoted above, we can see that you have pulled that verse out of context, to make it appear to say as you have chosen to believe. Not as scripture and the verse you quoted actually teach. The verse you quoted was Christ's teaching and correction of the Sadducees who did not believe in the resurrection. Christ was not teaching that the saints are alive in heaven now, but rather that heir will be a resurrection.

Mrk 12:18 Then come unto him the Sadducees, which say there is no resurrection; and they asked him, saying, 19 Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man's brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. 20 Now there were seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and dying left no seed. 21 And the second took her, and died, neither left he any seed: and the third likewise. 22 And the seven had her, and left no seed: last of all the woman died also. 23 In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife. 24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? 25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. 26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? 27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

To the contrary of what you are proposing as suggested by our Lord Himself above, if there is no resurrection, then the dead are indeed dead forever. To the contrary though, because of the resurrection, God is in fact the God of the living. This in that of course also, that those who die the first death are not really dead yet, but merely sleeping in their Saviors care until the day appointed. Amen! For as our Lord and Savior conclusively taught and stated, there is a resurrection unto life, and there is a resurrection unto damnation and death.

Jhn 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Hebrews 11 speaks of Abraham and Moses and others, and then Hebrews 12 says:
Hebrews 12:1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us,[a RSVCE

This great cloud of witnesses is made up of saints.

Yes it is made up of saints, but you are once again taking the scripture you quoted out of the context it was written within. Changing the meaning once again into that which you choose to believe, rather than the scriptures actually state. The list of saints in Hebrews 11, begins with the faith of Abel, whom the scripture conclusively refers to as dead. The testimony of these saints is not presented to us as from living saints in heaven, but as to the contrary, the testimony of the lives of these saints whose testimony continues on even long after and during the period of their death. Which as already stated, will end at the resurrection.

Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Contrary to what you are claiming, the above scripture plainly states that at the time it was written Abel was dead. His testimony speaking even while being dead because of his faith in God. Which is the exact opposite of what you are claiming. As later verses also testify of those the chapter speaks of not yet receiving that which was promised.

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

They had not received the promised heavenly country or city yet when this was written. They still desired it, and will receive it at the resurrection of life. And again at the end of the chapter under examination -

Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

They have not yet received the promise, and they are not yet perfect and in heaven with God.

Revelation 6:9-10 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne; they cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before thou wilt judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell upon the earth?” RSVCE

You may of course believe that the above testimony is a literal account of all the souls of those who have been slain for the word of God being stuffed under some altar in heaven, in order to support that which you have already chosen to believe. I however, do not believe that the above testimony is any more literal than the following scriptures testimony regarding the blood of Abel crying out to God. As such a belief would cause many contradictions within holy scripture itself.

Gen 4:9 And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper? 10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
 
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Ah, so as an unpublished work, it has not been peer-reviewed in any of the academic journals that deal with the history of Christianity in Rome, the history of the Roman Catholic Church, the history of the Spanish Inquisition, or other relevant subjects. Thank you for the clarification.
Nor was it written to specifically address those subjects, but rather certain doctrinal teachings of Roman Catholicism, as should be obvious. I have written books more specifically about the histories you mentioned above though, if you are interested.
 
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The fact is that scripture has been translated which means that not all reflect the original meaning. They are the opinions of men.
To find the meaning, it is beneficial to study original texts in the original language and not rely 100% in our favorite translation
Yes that is true. Which is why I have Lexicons and dictionaries of the original languages for examination upon unclear issues. Nevertheless, translations have of course been highly contested, which is why many bibles were within the papacies forbidden books lists. As though educated adults need to be told which is right or wrong, as though they were not capable of figuring this out for themselves, therefore being forbidden to read and decide for themselves. For more than just a little while, actually being punished with penalties up to torture and death. by supposedly other "Christians".
 
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Nor was it written to specifically address those subjects, but rather certain doctrinal teachings of Roman Catholicism, as should be obvious. I have written books more specifically about the histories you mentioned above though, if you are interested.

Did you publish them in a peer-reviewed historical journal? What are your qualifications as a historian of the early church? In other words, specifically why should I believe your account of the history of these churches? Do you have hard evidence such as archaeological evidence or lists of casualties to justify your claim that the Roman Catholics killed over a hundred million people during the Middle Ages?
 
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Which is why I have Lexicons and dictionaries of the original languages for examination upon unclear issues.

That only gets you so far. To really understand it you need to learn the original languages, which is possible since Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic and Latin are still spoken and are still taught, so in this respect studying Christian religious texts is much easier than studying religious texts of ancient Mesopotamian, since not only does no one speak Sumerian, but no one speaks a language related to Sumerian, for it was displaced by Akkadian, a Semitic language, and later still by Aramaic and Arabic.
 
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Mary is the mother of Jesus. Jesus is God. Mary is the mother of God.

Luke 1:43 And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? RSVCE
I'm sure we can go back and forth for quite a while, but we will not agree. It is not possible for Mary to be the Mother of Him who has existed from eternity. She is the mother of the man Jesus Christ, as this was her part to play. The Lord partook of our nature to destroy sin in the flesh and conquer death for us, as one of us. That we might pick up our crosses and follow Him in submission to God the Father. You may make this one verse into whatever you wish it to say of course.

Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Do you really believe that Mary is the mother of Him who is all of the above? As though all such proceeded and came forth from her? How can she be the mother of the first born of every creature? How can she be the mother of Him by whom all things were created, including herself also therefore? How can she be the mother of Him who is before all things, and by whom all things exist, including herself therefore? She is the mother of our Lord, the man Jesus Christ for the salvation of humanity who could not be saved but by this connection with God. But she is in no way, shape, or form the mother and or progenitor of our God and Savior Jesus Christ who is from eternity. The Self existing One. Amen!

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
 
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That only gets you so far. To really understand it you need to learn the original languages, which is possible since Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic and Latin are still spoken and are still taught, so in this respect studying Christian religious texts is much easier than studying religious texts of ancient Mesopotamian, since not only does no one speak Sumerian, but no one speaks a language related to Sumerian, for it was displaced by Akkadian, a Semitic language, and later still by Aramaic and Arabic.
No. The Holy Spirit of God reveals truth, not the study of languages. Nor has God left humanity dependent on other sinful fallen human beings to understand the truths of His recorded word. This is not to say that the study such languages is not certainly a benefit, but only to reiterate that all who seek a true knowledge of God and His word are far more dependent upon the Holy Spirit, than any education. God has preserved His word for humanity, and seen to it, that it has been translated into and many languages as possible by very capable people who understood and understand the languages you speak of. The truth is not hidden from any who truly desire and seek to understand it. Or do you not believe the following words of our Savior in relation to those He has chosen to translate his word for humanity?

Jhn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. 22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. 25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

I have no doubt that many of those who have translated the holy scriptures, eagerly sought after the guidance of the Holy Spirit of God while doing so. Don't you think? Apart from this of course, a few of them might just contest your claim that God inspired translations are not enough for their readers to actually understand the scriptures. As no doubt, their entire purpose was to perform exactly that task.
 
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An event which some claim to be true, but holy scripture does not support or address at all. Along with all of the other extra biblical teaching and practice in relation to Mary, who is not and will not ever be the mother of God.
No one has been able to prove that all divine revelation must be included in the Bible. So stop claiming "it's extra biblical" :doh:
 
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I'm sure we can go back and forth for quite a while, but we will not agree. It is not possible for Mary to be the Mother of Him who has existed from eternity.
Realize God is above time. Luke told the truth.
 
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Did you publish them in a peer-reviewed historical journal? What are your qualifications as a historian of the early church? In other words, specifically why should I believe your account of the history of these churches? Do you have hard evidence such as archaeological evidence or lists of casualties to justify your claim that the Roman Catholics killed over a hundred million people during the Middle Ages?
I'm not asking you to believe my claims, which is exactly why I quote so very many sources and will continue to do so. Which I have already challenged you and others to address the inaccuracies of with more than just an I said so from you. Of course I have not gone out and dug up the remains of the millions of martyrs there have been. Here is what our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ testified would happen to His own in this world.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Jhn 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. 19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.

John 16:1 These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. 2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. 3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

Our Lord predicted tribulation, persecution, and death by murder for His followers in this world by those even who believed they were serving God in doing so. How many Christians do you believe there have been over the last 2000 years? Hundreds of millions no doubt if not billions. Why would you doubt that His words and predictions would come true concerning a hundred million or more throughout history? In relation to apostate Christians who have existed and literally killed each other for nearly that long as well, starting around only two hundred years or so after our Lord's coming? In unending and recorded persecutions, wars, inquisitions, and exterminations for about 1700 years.

According to ChatGPT, there have been around 8+ billion Christians throughout history.
 
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No. It is extra biblical.
So? So is the Doctrine concerning the Trinity. So are the doctrines relating to Christology. You're barking up a tree that has been cut down centuries ago.^_^
 
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